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Any recommendations for methods of dealing with this?

I wanted to try the UL30REX from Ronfields Nutrition, but it seems to have vanished. Has anyone used Trinity Consultants for detox?

Horse in question is currently fed ad lib hay (until recently unsoaked, but now soaked 12 hours), a small amount of fast fibre with Forage Plus summer balancer, yea sacc, brewers yeast and salt. And a handful of timothy chop to encourage chewing as he tends to inhale feed. He's out in during the day and out at night on poor pasture (with hay).

Thanks!
 
Wet down all his food. The more water content, the easier it will be to digest.

Another very useful advice is to add a table spoon of bicarb to every meal. It sorted my girls tummy in less than a week, after trying pretty much everything else with no avail.
 
Thanks for your thoughts. His feeds are all soaked, and he drinks plenty of water. Bicarb is on the list of things to try, but thought it worked more on the stomach than the hind gut?
 
Green clay for hind gut. Although got mine from a vet/osteo so wouldn't know which one to buy. We used a teaspoon in each feed for two weeks then 2 weeks off then back on it for another 2 weeks.
 
For my horse it worked on both, I guess. The major changes since feeding it to her was in her general comfort (she would always look nervous and uncomfortable) and in the appearance of her poos - were very cow-like and smelled awfully, and became almost normal in a matter of days. The change in her poos tells me it had a big effect on her hind gut.
 
My TB had six months on the stress dose of Protexin it fixed him now as soon as he's under stress of any type I put him back on.
When I was researching all this I had flagged up Egusin to try that had some research to show it helps hind gut issues.
The vet told me theres a school of thought that hind gut problems may be linked to the use of gastroguard as it inhibits the natural acidity of the stomach thus affecting the horses digestion.
I think we are just at the start of understanding this whole area with the horse in a new more detailed way.
 
Thanks for all the tips. Bicarb has been bought. Once the brewers yeast & yea sacc runs out ill switch to protexin, too.

I've seen the green clay recommended on a previous thread, along with chlorella. I may give that a try too if the probiotics & bicarb don't fix it.

Thanks for the link dixie, is the ulcer-ex the same as ul30rex? I may give them a call on Monday to check.

The hind gut is a mysterious realm! I bought this horse straight from the stud, and know his history from birth. I can't imagine what can have caused this, as he's always been on a very gut friendly diet/management regime. He is naturally a bit stressy though - so that must be it. It does show how sensitive some horses can be though, as this is really causing him problems :(.
 
I use Trinity Consultants products all the time. The L94 is what you are thinking about. It is very good and has worked on a number of horses I have had. I use it after worming and any Antibiotic and Bute treatment. I also use it twice a year Spring and Autumn as a general detox.

I would give Roger Hatch a call he may have other things that can help.
 
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Definitely rate UL30REX+, you usually have to call them to get the plus version unless they've changed the website. That plus a stress dosage of protexin gut balancer has made my horse's gut much more comfortable. She's on separate stuff for her actual stomach, but we'd never managed to shift her residual hind gut reactiveness until trying this combination.

ETA - ooh ignore me, website updated (better!) and ulcerex plus is on there. :)
 
Silverfire, if made to stand still he shifts around on his hind feet looking uncomfortable, but is sound and moving well - no sign of discomfort in the limbs/hind quarters themselves. He's very stressy and has become extremely spooky (nearly dislocated my arm today when a bird took off a few meters away). His feet are not as good as they should be, though I can see no obvious reason for it. He also stress poos a lot. He's also become less sociable with our other horse - no longer interested in mutual grooming etc.

I'm not 100% sure it's hind gut, but can't think of much else that fits the bill, so want to try and rule it out at least.
 
We have an ex racer who came to us with lots of issues. Not wanting his belly touched,sore back, not going forward, just standing at gate etc. He was scoped and had ulcers. Treated them, he seemed fine for a while then it all started again. Researched hind gut ulcers, (realised it all started again when we changed him from Top Spec to another make) and put him back on the Top Spec and what a different wee horse. Gastroguard is helpful for ulcers but actully can make hind gut ulcers worse.
 
Protexin works,use on all our horses with great results.soaking hay increases bacteria content by 1.5 times in just 10 mins,this upsets balance of good bacteria in hind gut.
 
leisa said:
.soaking hay increases bacteria content by 1.5 times in just 10 mins,this upsets balance of good bacteria in hind gut.
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Can you explain more clearly and supply evidence please.

ps. Have you seen this TS? Might be some pointers here for you of things to try as well as reducing sugar/starch content in diet.
Forgot the link. lol.
http://www.lunatunesfreestyles.com/horse_ulcers.htm
 
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Thanks for the link, amandap, I hadn't seen that site before - very useful. Unfortunately there's no way I could feed all that stuff to this horse - he's a very good doer! The oat flour should be doable, though.

Charcoal is on the list :). I'm trying to resist the temptation to throw everything at it and instead work methodically so I know what works and what doesn't, lol. I've used Egusin in the past and wasn't blown away, but I'll bear it in mind if all else fails.
 
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Charcoal is on the list :). I'm trying to resist the temptation to throw everything at it and instead work methodically so I know what works and what doesn't, lol. I've used Egusin in the past and wasn't blown away, but I'll bear it in mind if all else fails.
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I agree 100%. You need to see the response from each individual thing, I was just adding to your list. lol
 
Ginger Bear said:
Green clay for hind gut. Although got mine from a vet/osteo so wouldn't know which one to buy. We used a teaspoon in each feed for two weeks then 2 weeks off then back on it for another 2 weeks.
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I second this - exactly what my holistic vet prescribed for hindgut along with Chlorella which you feed for the whole 6 week period 10ml per day with no break. The break in the green clay is very important - they sell that on ebay too - just ensure you buy the consumption grade.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/500g-CHLO...auty_Vitamins_Supplements&hash=item3ccb7b5373
 
Yes, I believe the source/supply of clay is very important as some poorer grades contain heavy metals and other contaminants.
 
Recent research by Haygain hay steamers has proven that soaking hay increases the bacteria levels by 1.5 times in 10 mins of soaking.look at web site for research.all forage contains bacteria,when ingested these bacteria [gram neg] can kill off the good bacteria [gram pos] in the hind gut that digest fibre,when gd bacteria die,they give of a toxin that goes into bloodstream, a vet in america is looking into connection between this & some cases of colic & laminitis.
 
What's their treatment for laminitis then? Starvation? I'm afraid all the learning and research along with experience of soaking hay to remove water soluble sugars and laminitis tells me a very different story. I've got 6 who have been on soaked hay for 2-3 years solid. They are still alive, have never coliced and the laminitic is controlled mainly by soaking her hay. None have digestive upset unless I stop soaking the hay. lol

ps.Don't forget they are selling a product.
 
I looked for the research on the haygain website, but all I could find was a study showing steamed hay had a higher dry matter content than soaked hay. The claim regarding bacteria seems to be unsupported :confused:.

ETA: thanks for the links. If none of this makes a difference I'll at least be fairly sure the problem is elsewhere.
 
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I wouldnt trust research funded by a company.

Anyway, we use ulcerex at the moment and its working really well. Far cheaper than other alternatives (tried egusin, horse will often not eat so although it worked the 250 wasnt a long term option).
Dosage on packet for ulcerex is different to website though.
 
What does clay do for the gut/ hind gut?
One of my horses had a hind gut problem most of last year, not showing any signs of it at the moment except for stupid spookiness which i think is just normal for her! She loves eating mud. If you go in her stable with mud on your boots she will be trying to lick it off, the other day she was eating the dry mud off her rug while i was trying to put it on her. The mud is a clay soil.
 
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