Hind gut? Equishure or succeed?

[ramsaybailey]

Hello,
I'm going to try something for suspected hind gut ulcers, but can't decide between succeed or Equishure, what's worked best for people? Leaning towards trying equishure
Thanks ?

 

[dixie]

Ron Fields powder.
I’ve not tried Equisure but Succeed made mine worse, Altho I believe it does work for many horses.
after the RF powder I now use Physllium, Mint and Aloe Vera
I’m afraid it’s trial and error with your horse - good luck.

 

[dixie]

Have you tried a Succeed test?
its quite useful to confirm your suspicions.

 

[meleeka]

I use Protexin Acid Ease. Equisure did nothing for mine but as long as she gets one feed a day with half a scoop of Acid Ease she’s ok and has been since winter.

 

[ramsaybailey]

Thank you! Can I ask what symptoms your horses showed?

 

[dixie]

Mine was grumpy to brush, rug and saddle up. Not very forward either.
He’s now 90% better to brush and rug. Still grumpy to saddle up but I think it’s learned behaviour more than anything as he’s fine when distracted at say a show.
he’s not the most forward horse anyway but he is much better. Other than that he’s always be good to ride.
He’s also been on Sucraflate which helped a lot.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Succeed has worked for mine, not tried Equishure. My vet can’t work out why Succeed works, but she has seen success in several horses using it. We (me, vet, chiro vet) were convinced my mare had foregut ulcers, as she had all the classic symptoms, but she scoped clear. Put her on Succeed, and she became far happier very quickly. I’ve kept her on it.

The succeed test is unfortunately very unreliable, so my vet told me not to bother with it.

 

[Henry02]

Succeed has worked for mine, not tried Equishure. My vet can’t work out why Succeed works, but she has seen success in several horses using it. We (me, vet, chiro vet) were convinced my mare had foregut ulcers, as she had all the classic symptoms, but she scoped clear. Put her on Succeed, and she became far happier very quickly. I’ve kept her on it.

The succeed test is unfortunately very unreliable, so my vet told me not to bother with it.

what symptoms did your horse have! Thanks

 

[Tiddlypom]

what symptoms did your horse have! Thanks

Increasingly grumpy to groom, handle and rug. She had always allowed me to clean round her udder area, but became dangerous in that area and I had to get the vet to sedate her to clean it. She is homebred, and was a sweet natured horse before.

In retrospect, this may have been brewing for a long while. She has been out of work for two years now after coming back off loan broken, but even when she was successfully competing she had a ‘lazy’ right leg. Hind gut issues can cause a horse to guard its right hind.

 

[Henry02]

Increasingly grumpy to groom, handle and rug. She had always allowed me to clean round her udder area, but became dangerous in that area and I had to get the vet to sedate her to clean it. She is homebred, and was a sweet natured horse before.

In retrospect, this may have been brewing for a long while. She has been out of work for two years now after coming back off loan broken, but even when she was successfully competing she had a ‘lazy’ right leg. Hind gut issues can cause a horse to guard its right hind.

thanks, I’m not really sure if horse has digestive issues or not. I’d like to try her on something but I’m not really sure what. I’ve used a different digestive supplement before on a previous horse, which made an obvious difference to the horse condition wise within a week.

just not sure what to do

 

[dixie]

What’s her symptoms ?
and what is she currently fed?

 

[paddy555]

I use equishure on my PSSM horse who has the side effect of hid gut problems. If I take him off it the difference is very noticeable. He is a lot less spooky if he gets the equishure.

 

[Henry02]

What’s her symptoms ?
and what is she currently fed?

Just generally being stressy. Which I’m aware could be absolutely anything, but wondered if it’s easiest to start with a digestive supplement to see if it makes any difference.

currently out 24/7 and gets token meal of balancer and a few pony nuts

 

[skint1]

I used Succeed on my daughter's TB and he did improve a lot. For my own mare, had her scoped and treated for extensive stage 2 and 3 ulcers last year, it was suspected they extended into the hind gut. My vet recommended a supplement called RiteTrac,which she would not eat nor would she eat Equinox supplements or Ron Fields or anything else like that, however she will eat a cheap as chips Lincoln supplement and has shown some improvement through that. I know the RiteTrac is useful though as a couple of friends used it on their horses and saw a great improvement, particularly on stiffness through the right rein.

 

[Trouper]

There are so many possible reasons for the behaviour you describe I don't think I would be spending money on a hit and miss approach but would have some formal investigations done first.

 

[ramsaybailey]

I use equishure on my PSSM horse who has the side effect of hid gut problems. If I take him off it the difference is very noticeable. He is a lot less spooky if he gets the equishure.

Can I ask what hind gut symptoms your horse shows? Mine barely wants to move under saddle any more vets are running out of ideas

 

[Henbug]

After you treat them, have a look at GWF feed. Changed one of mine who was prone to ulcers onto GWF and he did so well on it have since moved all of them over, it's now four years later and I honestly can't recommend it highly enough as a feeding system generally

 

[Green Bean]

Keyflow Pink Mash is the best for hindgut and horses love it (or so my mare tells me). Have you checked with your vet, have hindgut issues been diagnosed?

 

[Tiddlypom]

Pink Mash is supposed to be good for hindgut issues, but it did nothing for mine. I’ve taken all my 3 off it, and their hoof quality improved... I blame the soya content.

Hind gut issues can currently only reliably be diagnosed via a post mortem exam. After my mare had scoped -ve for foregut ulcers my vet suggested trying Succeed. It’s not a POM, but it’s not cheap either. It worked .

 

[Henry02]

Has anyone got any suggestions of cheapest place to get succeed from

 

[Tiddlypom]

I get mine from VioVet. Not sure if it’s the absolute cheapest, but VioVet pricing is always very competitive and delivery is good.

I started out using the tubes, but after the initial course I switched to the powder version, which works out cheaper. I buy 60 days worth at a time. Horse loved the tubes, she would open her mouth ready for her treat, but happily eats the powder, too.

Currently £134.09 for 60 days supply of the powder.

 

[HobleytheTB]

Presumably you've ruled out stomach ulcers and the usual things like hocks, suspensories, kissing spine etc?

 

[Henry02]

Presumably you've ruled out stomach ulcers and the usual things like hocks, suspensories, kissing spine etc?

Is this aimed at me?

 

[Tiddlypom]

Have you tried a Succeed test?
its quite useful to confirm your suspicions.

I asked about the Succeed test, but my vet says that unfortunately the results are notoriously unreliable, and advised me to trial the Succeed supplement instead.