HIND GUT ULCERS.....PLEASE HELP.

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My horse was scoped and diagnosed with grade 2 gastric ulcers 8 weeks ago and also suspected hind gut ulcers. He was re-scoped and gastric ulcers cleared up. His behaivour was much improved however he was still more unhappy/spooky than normal and still girthy.

Cue these past 2 weeks or so and he has been fairly unhappy and anxious and a NIGHTMARE to girth. Moves constantly and kicks his hind gut area when girth is being tightened and also stamps.

Had vet out today who watched him being tacked up. She suspects almost certainly hind gut ulcers. Her horse had these and acted in exactly the same way, even broncing on the spot and rearing up when girth has been done up.

My insurance isn't going to keep going much longer and vet said today that she doesn't think the answer is to re-scope and prescribe more GG. She actually suggested to me to go to Tesco's and buy some Zantac and try him on that for a couple of weeks and see if there is an improvement. She also suggested a wintec cair wide girth too as apparently that helped her horse's githiness somewhat.

Current feed is 1 scoop of Fast Fibre, 1 scoop of Alfafa-A, Yeesac, Slippery Elm, Protexin and Egusin.

Does ANYONE have ANY treatment suggestions AT ALL for HIND GUT (NOT gastric) ulcers? I honestly am at my wits end.
 
I've had some great advice from a few folk on here regarding my horses ulcers and it has worked wonders - I've not had vet out yet.
So far he is on 100ml corn oil per feed (was twice a day but now he is out at night he is getting one feed a day and I've just stuck to 100ml per bucket), charcoal powder, adlib hay/grass, as much turnout as possible and a bucket of oat straw to chew on when he is standing in. He has dramatically changed for the better in around two weeks.

Feel free to PM me and I can give you as much advice as I've been given.
 
I am not certain, but I think I was told GG makes hind gut ulcers worse? In any case, a friend used green clay and seemed to find it successful? I think its a natural type remedy? She did change management as well, but it came reccomended via vet, so presumably some back up for it? Good luck :)
 
I went through the same thing with mine, complete nightmare.

The good news is it turned out to be very easily fixed (after a lot of false starts, expense and heart ache). Double dose of yeasacc a day (I get mine of Progressive Earth on ebay), and for his hard feed he just has fast fibre and micronised linseed. Never ever any cereals or anything with added sugar. He also has ad lib hay. Yea sacc is like magic for hind gut ulcers imho :D

I saw the results starting within about a week I would say, and he went from strength to strength and within a month was perfect. I worried that without lots of hard feed he'd never hold his weight as he was a typical skinny tb, but his weight is perfect on this and he's so much happier.

The best bit? None of it is expensive :) Mine will be staying on his current management regime forever as it suits him really well and it's really affordable. He went from trying to eat my head when he saw his saddle and bucking at the drop of a hat, to standing happily munching a haynet oblivious to being tacked up and fingers crossed no more bucking.
 
Norfolk Pie said:
I am not certain, but I think I was told GG makes hind gut ulcers worse? In any case, a friend used green clay and seemed to find it successful? I think its a natural type remedy? She did change management as well, but it came reccomended via vet, so presumably some back up for it? Good luck :)
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Will research Green Clay, thank you!

ghostie said:
I went through the same thing with mine, complete nightmare.

The good news is it turned out to be very easily fixed (after a lot of false starts, expense and heart ache). Double dose of yeasacc a day (I get mine of Progressive Earth on ebay), and for his hard feed he just has fast fibre and micronised linseed. Never ever any cereals or anything with added sugar. He also has ad lib hay. Yea sacc is like magic for hind gut ulcers imho :D

I saw the results starting within about a week I would say, and he went from strength to strength and within a month was perfect. I worried that without lots of hard feed he'd never hold his weight as he was a typical skinny tb, but his weight is perfect on this and he's so much happier.

The best bit? None of it is expensive :) Mine will be staying on his current management regime forever as it suits him really well and it's really affordable. He went from trying to eat my head when he saw his saddle and bucking at the drop of a hat, to standing happily munching a haynet oblivious to being tacked up and fingers crossed no more bucking.
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Thanks for the info. Mine has been on yeesac for about 12 days now and no improvements yet? I will keep him on it for now and see if there are any improvements. It would be lovely if it was that simple for my boy but I fear it may not be :( Starting to lose all hope tbh and feeling really despondent :(
 
for one feed copra and charcoal. For the other feed copra, yeasac, equimins meta balance ( or whatever supplement you use) salt, linseed and magnesium.

The copra ( fed soaked) is the magic ingredient.

Absolutely no molasses or cereals. Also no sugar beet (molassed or unmolassed) in any form. (which for mine incudes fast fibre) The further away from sugar beet he was the more he improved.
Plus whatever hay he wants.
 
With mine it was bearing three things in mind - 1. coating the lining with some sort of mucilage. I used coconut oil, you can use any palatable oil. 2. reduce the acid in the system. I managed to get some Omeprazole and accompanied it with bicarb as I was told normal Omperazole doesn't survive an acid environment. 3. reduce stress - field rest if you can. All that with a high fibre low sugar diet, making sure there was always food available to him, and some probiotic to aid digestion. It worked for Reg - my vet's only involvement was to confirm the diagnosis by the clinical signs, and that there was no other condition which would fit the symptoms.
I don't know how activated charcoal fits into the overall scheme of things but I hear it helps. You could also talk to Forageplus about Egusin - I know of someone who tried it on her horse without success.
 
BeautifulPassage said:
Will research Green Clay, thank you!



Thanks for the info. Mine has been on yeesac for about 12 days now and no improvements yet? I will keep him on it for now and see if there are any improvements. It would be lovely if it was that simple for my boy but I fear it may not be :( Starting to lose all hope tbh and feeling really despondent :(
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keep at it :) how much yeasacc are you feeding? Mine has 50g a day :o Sorry if I've missed it, but what else are you feeding?
 
ghostie said:
keep at it :) how much yeasacc are you feeding? Mine has 50g a day :o Sorry if I've missed it, but what else are you feeding?
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Will up the dose over next few days and see if it makes a difference.

He is on fast fibre, alfafa-a, slippery elm, protexin and Egusin. (Has been on the Egusin for a couple of weeks but no improvement yet)
 
BeautifulPassage said:
Will up the dose over next few days and see if it makes a difference.

He is on fast fibre, alfafa-a, slippery elm, protexin and Egusin. (Has been on the Egusin for a couple of weeks but no improvement yet)
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I would ditch the alfalfa-a - I know a lot of people say it's good for ulcers but it aggrevates my boy's hind gut ulcers like crazy.

How much hay does he get through? You might want to watch the spring grass coming through as the sugars will aggrevate things - once it's out I try to bring mine in during the day to get him off the grass when sugars are highest
 
Ask the vet for 300mg ranitidine tablets or a prescription for them, you'd need hundreds of Zantac to get a high enough dosage, I spent months trying to sort my boys hind gut ulcers but after a chat with Dr Ridgeway and then my own vet we did 8 weeks of ranitidine and haven't had a problem since.
All the management stuff still applies of course. :-)
 
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