JoG
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Sorry for my spelling.....I know labradors and GSD's can get this. Is it common/does it happen in Spaniels? Or are they prone to any joint problems
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Hip Dysplasia (sp?)
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CorvusCorax
Deary me...
I think they can get it, yes.
However only an X-Ray scored by a BVA panel or the PENN/HIP scheme will tell you for definite the degree of dysplasia.
You cannot guess it or determine it by stretching etc or if the dog has a limp.
I have said before that some dysplastics have a 'wiggle' behind, but even then, it is not a copper-bottom guarantee of HD.
FI I was convinced my fella had dire hips, but he had tweaked his back and he was carrying his leg carefully to avoid hurting himself. Hips look fine.
Also rule out CDRM in an older dog.
However only an X-Ray scored by a BVA panel or the PENN/HIP scheme will tell you for definite the degree of dysplasia.
You cannot guess it or determine it by stretching etc or if the dog has a limp.
I have said before that some dysplastics have a 'wiggle' behind, but even then, it is not a copper-bottom guarantee of HD.
FI I was convinced my fella had dire hips, but he had tweaked his back and he was carrying his leg carefully to avoid hurting himself. Hips look fine.
Also rule out CDRM in an older dog.
ottodyl1
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I have a springer/ lab (rescue) who was diagnosed with hip dysplasia at about 15 months, a couple of months after we rehomed him. Not sure which side it came from but we were advised that springers are prone to it, so it's definitely worth asking if parents have been hip tested if you are getting a pup.
He is now 4 & does get a bit stiff after he's had a long walk (or charge about, more like!) but he's much better than he was as he is stronger & we give him glucosamine supplements, which help. However, we're fully aware that his hip is likely to become more degenerative as he gets older, although a hip replacement may be a possible option, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!
He is now 4 & does get a bit stiff after he's had a long walk (or charge about, more like!) but he's much better than he was as he is stronger & we give him glucosamine supplements, which help. However, we're fully aware that his hip is likely to become more degenerative as he gets older, although a hip replacement may be a possible option, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
I don't know about UK but in Sweden, SKK won't register puppies in the following spaniel breeds Clumber Spaniel, Cocker Spaniel, English Springer Spaniel, Field Spaniel, German Spaniel (Deutscher Wachtelhund), Irish Water Spaniel, Large Münsterländer, Small Münsterländer, Sussex Spaniel and Welsh Springer Spaniel, unless the parents have an official (= registered in SKK) HD status.
Actually the whole list of breeds where SKK prohibits registration of offspring after parental animals that do not have an official HD status, is as follows (sorry, sometimes I've used the breed name that we use in Sweden) :
Akita,
Alaskan Malamute,
American Akita,
Appenzeller Sennenhund,
Australian Cattle Dog,
Australian Kelpie,
Australian Shepherd,
Australian Stock Dog/Working Kelpie,
Bavarian Mountain Hound,
Bearded Collie,
Beauceron,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Groenendael,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Laekenois,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Malinois,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Tervueren,
Berger des Pyrénées à face rase (Pyrenean Sheepdog - smooth faced),
Berger des Pyrénées à poil long (Long-haired Pyrenean Sheepdog),
Berger Picard,
Berner Sennenhund (Bernese Mountain Dog),
Black Russian Terrier,
Border Collie,
Bouvier des Flandres,
Boxer,
Bracco Italiano,
Breton,
Briard,
Bullmastiff,
Cane Corso,
Cão da Serra da Estrela Pelo Comprido,
Cão da Serra da Estrela Pelo Curto,
Cesky Fousek,
Chesapeake Bay Retriever,
Chowchow,
Clumber Spaniel,
Cocker Spaniel,
Curly Coated Retriever,
Danish Swedish Gårdshund (Farmdog),
Dobermann,
Dogo Argentino,
Dogue de Bordeaux,
Drentsche Patrijshond,
Dunker,
East Siberian Laika,
English Setter,
English Springer Spaniel,
Entlebucher Sennenhund,
Epagneul Francais,
Eurasier,
Field Spaniel,
Fila brasileiro,
Finnish Hound,
Finnish Lapphund,
Flatcoated Retriever,
Gammel dansk hönsehund (Old Danish Pointer),
German Longhaired Pointer,
German Shepherd Dog,
German Shorthaired Pointer,
German Spaniel (Deutscher Wachtelhund),
German Wirehaired Pointer,
Golden Retriever,
Gordon Setter,
Greenland Dog,
Griffon darret à poil dur/korthals,
Grosser Münsterländer,
Grosser Schweizer Sennenhund,
Hamiltonstövare,
Hanover Hound,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Long-haired,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Short-haired,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Wire-haired,
Hovawart,
Hungarian Vizsla,
Hungarian Vizsla Wire-haired,
Hälleforshund,
Irish Setter,
Irish Water Spaniel,
Juzjnorusskaja Ovtjarka,
Jämthund (Swedish Elkhound),
Karelian Beardog,
Kavkazskaja Ovtjarka,
Kleiner Münsterländer,
Komondor,
Kuvasz,
Labrador Retriever,
Landseer,
Leonberger,
Mastiff,
Mastin Español,
Mastino Napoletano,
Maremmano Abruzzese,
Mudi,
Newfoundlandshund,
Norwegian Elkhound,
Norwegian Elkhound Black,
Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever,
Old English Sheepdog,
Otterhound,
Perro de agua Español (Spanish Water Dog),
Pointer,
Polski Owczarek Nizinny,
Portuguese Water Dog,
Pudelpointer,
Puli,
Pumi,
Pyrenean Mountain Dog,
Pyrenean Mastiff,
Riesenschnauzer black,
Riesenschnauzer salt and pepper,
Rhodesian Ridgeback,
Rottweiler,
Rough Collie,
Russo-European Laika,
St Bernard Long-haired,
St Bernard Short-haired,
Samoyed,
Schillerstövare,
Shiba,
Slovenský Kopov,
Smooth Collie,
Smålandsstövare,
Spinone,
Stabyhoun,
Standard Poodle,
Sussex Spaniel,
Swedish Lapphund,
Swedish White Elkhound,
Tibetan Mastiff,
Weimaraner,
Weimaraner Long-haired,
Welsh Springer Spaniel,
West Siberian Laika,
White Shepherd Dog.
And then there is several breeds like the Norwegian Buhund, where the breedclub own's rules says that stud dogs and brood bitches must have official and approved HD status. So if the list included the breeds with voluntary HD requirements in Sweden, it would be much longer...
Actually the whole list of breeds where SKK prohibits registration of offspring after parental animals that do not have an official HD status, is as follows (sorry, sometimes I've used the breed name that we use in Sweden) :
Akita,
Alaskan Malamute,
American Akita,
Appenzeller Sennenhund,
Australian Cattle Dog,
Australian Kelpie,
Australian Shepherd,
Australian Stock Dog/Working Kelpie,
Bavarian Mountain Hound,
Bearded Collie,
Beauceron,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Groenendael,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Laekenois,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Malinois,
Belgian Shepherd Dog Tervueren,
Berger des Pyrénées à face rase (Pyrenean Sheepdog - smooth faced),
Berger des Pyrénées à poil long (Long-haired Pyrenean Sheepdog),
Berger Picard,
Berner Sennenhund (Bernese Mountain Dog),
Black Russian Terrier,
Border Collie,
Bouvier des Flandres,
Boxer,
Bracco Italiano,
Breton,
Briard,
Bullmastiff,
Cane Corso,
Cão da Serra da Estrela Pelo Comprido,
Cão da Serra da Estrela Pelo Curto,
Cesky Fousek,
Chesapeake Bay Retriever,
Chowchow,
Clumber Spaniel,
Cocker Spaniel,
Curly Coated Retriever,
Danish Swedish Gårdshund (Farmdog),
Dobermann,
Dogo Argentino,
Dogue de Bordeaux,
Drentsche Patrijshond,
Dunker,
East Siberian Laika,
English Setter,
English Springer Spaniel,
Entlebucher Sennenhund,
Epagneul Francais,
Eurasier,
Field Spaniel,
Fila brasileiro,
Finnish Hound,
Finnish Lapphund,
Flatcoated Retriever,
Gammel dansk hönsehund (Old Danish Pointer),
German Longhaired Pointer,
German Shepherd Dog,
German Shorthaired Pointer,
German Spaniel (Deutscher Wachtelhund),
German Wirehaired Pointer,
Golden Retriever,
Gordon Setter,
Greenland Dog,
Griffon darret à poil dur/korthals,
Grosser Münsterländer,
Grosser Schweizer Sennenhund,
Hamiltonstövare,
Hanover Hound,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Long-haired,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Short-haired,
Hollandse Herdershond (Dutch Shepherd Dog) Wire-haired,
Hovawart,
Hungarian Vizsla,
Hungarian Vizsla Wire-haired,
Hälleforshund,
Irish Setter,
Irish Water Spaniel,
Juzjnorusskaja Ovtjarka,
Jämthund (Swedish Elkhound),
Karelian Beardog,
Kavkazskaja Ovtjarka,
Kleiner Münsterländer,
Komondor,
Kuvasz,
Labrador Retriever,
Landseer,
Leonberger,
Mastiff,
Mastin Español,
Mastino Napoletano,
Maremmano Abruzzese,
Mudi,
Newfoundlandshund,
Norwegian Elkhound,
Norwegian Elkhound Black,
Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever,
Old English Sheepdog,
Otterhound,
Perro de agua Español (Spanish Water Dog),
Pointer,
Polski Owczarek Nizinny,
Portuguese Water Dog,
Pudelpointer,
Puli,
Pumi,
Pyrenean Mountain Dog,
Pyrenean Mastiff,
Riesenschnauzer black,
Riesenschnauzer salt and pepper,
Rhodesian Ridgeback,
Rottweiler,
Rough Collie,
Russo-European Laika,
St Bernard Long-haired,
St Bernard Short-haired,
Samoyed,
Schillerstövare,
Shiba,
Slovenský Kopov,
Smooth Collie,
Smålandsstövare,
Spinone,
Stabyhoun,
Standard Poodle,
Sussex Spaniel,
Swedish Lapphund,
Swedish White Elkhound,
Tibetan Mastiff,
Weimaraner,
Weimaraner Long-haired,
Welsh Springer Spaniel,
West Siberian Laika,
White Shepherd Dog.
And then there is several breeds like the Norwegian Buhund, where the breedclub own's rules says that stud dogs and brood bitches must have official and approved HD status. So if the list included the breeds with voluntary HD requirements in Sweden, it would be much longer...
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Good glad to hear it.
glad to hear it.
kirstyhen
Well-Known Member
In general it's not something that breeders are worried about, obviously dogs should be scored, but with Spaniels it tends to be their eyes that are more of a concern.
Especially in Working bred dogs, when the concensus is - it's worked (how ever many) seasons with no hip/elbow issues so they can't be that bad, it's a blinding working dog so we're breeding. Fair-ish point, but I do know a couple of working dogs, doing full seasons with no problems, that when x-rayed they have found the dog has actually no socket at all and the only thing holding it's legs on is it's muscles!
Especially in Working bred dogs, when the concensus is - it's worked (how ever many) seasons with no hip/elbow issues so they can't be that bad, it's a blinding working dog so we're breeding. Fair-ish point, but I do know a couple of working dogs, doing full seasons with no problems, that when x-rayed they have found the dog has actually no socket at all and the only thing holding it's legs on is it's muscles!
MurphysMinder
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Wow Finny, I wish the UK KC were as proactive as yours in Sweden, but they are too worried about affecting their income from puppy registration!
I think Spudlets Henry has a degree of HD, feel free to correct me if I have got that totally wrong.
Kh, I have mentioned before my bitch who had a hip score in the 90s, she never had a days lameness in her life, vets reckoned it was because there was very little joint to develop arthritis, she was just held together by muscle!
I think Spudlets Henry has a degree of HD, feel free to correct me if I have got that totally wrong.
Kh, I have mentioned before my bitch who had a hip score in the 90s, she never had a days lameness in her life, vets reckoned it was because there was very little joint to develop arthritis, she was just held together by muscle!
JoG
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Ooo CC - that may be what he's done, we're off to the vets soon but after a long walk on Saturday he is now occasionally on 3 legs - after getting up from sitting but fine getting up from lying and if he is zooming in the garden with his bum and tail tucked under 
Otto - thank you, will be prepared for the vets...we feed glucosamine and chondrotin as standard given the speeds they work at
Finny that list is great, ditto MM.
Kirsty - he is FTC bred so I thought he should be from "strong" lines but he does have problems with his front legs which have a very odd wonkiness
I am having such a bad year that I am thinking the absolute worst about every minor blip so fingers crossed it is nothing that can't be fixed
Otto - thank you, will be prepared for the vets...we feed glucosamine and chondrotin as standard given the speeds they work at
Finny that list is great, ditto MM.
Kirsty - he is FTC bred so I thought he should be from "strong" lines but he does have problems with his front legs which have a very odd wonkiness
I am having such a bad year that I am thinking the absolute worst about every minor blip so fingers crossed it is nothing that can't be fixed