Hit a brick wall and need help :(

welshstar

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Sorry in advance but this may be long!

Last april (2010) I started looking for an alrounder to replace my retired horse (who has now very sadly been pts) I didn't really have a criteria but just something to go and have a bit of fun on. I didn't have a very big budget due to vets bills so it had to be something young or old. After looking at a few horseys, we bought a rising 5 yr old welsh cob who had done nothing- he could walk, trot, canter at a push and pop a little cross in trot. He was a bit smaller than what I wanted but I thought he would be worth a punt. He had had a lot of homes.

We spent last year doing very tiny courses, with a few eliminations and a few good days. His flatwork was rubbish and he was often throw his shoulder out but we kept up with regular lessons. He had got a few double clears around pre-novices, a few mediocre placings showing and a few runs of xc before he had the winter off due to the snow. We brought him back into work and things seemed to be going ok. He had changed shape a lot so a new m2m saddle was bought, teeth and back were done. We got around a few xc's- some bad and some not so. He seemed to really get it together with the showjumping so we concentrated on that- by july he had moved up to 80-85cm courses. However, the past 6 weeks, everything seems to have gone to pot.

He has always had an attitude in the showring (stubborn and strong willed as he was used as a stallion) but he started to plant and refuse to move in the show. We went across to the sj and he was eliminated at the second fence. Move forwards to a couple of weeks later and we pop around a small 60cm novice where he goes clear with some interesting lines due to spooking. He then went to a show today and he just completely dropped me again in the working hunter :( He started spooking as soon as he entered the ring, he planted when he saw a show jump and threatened to go up. We managed to get to the first jump before he refused every one before jumping it greenly- he was acting like he had never seen a jump in his life. Then when we went back in, he refused to trot and started spooking, then when I asked for canter, he was even more spooky and darted off quickly away from anything 'scary'. He left me in floods of tears because it just feels like I've put all this effort into him but he's still this spooky pig headed pony who seems to have taken about a million steps back.

After the show where we were elim. at fence 2, I seriously considered selling him and after this recent show I wrote up the add but couldn't go through with it. My head feels like its a mess and I really don't know what to do. On a good day, he will be really good and sometimes win. He has a phenomenal jump and makes nothing of 90cm schooling at home. He has massive presence and should in theory do well in his showing. But I just feel like we clash too much personality wise. He throws his shoulder on the flat and I struggle to control it and he's just so spooky. You feel him tense up and just switch off from you. When he's on the same wavelength, he's amazing but I feel that this is becoming less and less. I really don't know what to do, has anyone had a similar experiences with theirs or can offer any advice on what I can do? :(
 
I dont mean to offend but it sounds as if he has got the measure of you and needs some stronger more confident riding or rider.
perhaps invest time in going back to basics - groundwork and invest in a good quality instructor.
xx
 
I don't think being used as a stallion necessarily makes a horse strong willed and stubborn. I've got a 6 yr old welsh cob that was only gelded last year - he's been used as a stallion. He's quite sweet but knows he's lovely!
 
I don't really want to change my instructor as she has been brilliant at helping us and helped with the shoulder issue on the lessons- just as soon as we get anywhere it goes to pot with that!

He's not really a typical section D in the fact that he doesn't get strong and tank etc but he just acts so piggy and spooky! I don't wish to blow my own trumpet but I'm not a novice rider. I did all the pc thing, ridden horses for a few different people and have brought on another baby a couple of years ago. I just find I don't know what makes him tick, I mean is the playing up a baby thing or just him and me 'clashing'.

I wasn't really sure with the stallion thing tbh. I know he was used and has quite a few foals on the floor but wasn't sure if that would account for how he can act. He used to go through a phase of broncing in the lessons and do like a little rear, 'boxing' with his front legs. I always thought the attitude he displayed there was quite stallion like but maybe that is just him?

I've tried to look into his past a bit and found out he was bought for a young girl shortly after being cut but was sold on after not too long- perhaps he learnt a bit of this behaviour then? A showing lady bought him but sold him on as they didn't get on/ 'click'.

He seems better in some ways than last year but some days he just seems to have these terrible all over the place moments where I feel I can't do a thing with him and we are back to square one.

I just don't know whether it is worth perservering with him if we just clash, but then I don't know whether it's his age or he's just really trying me out. All I want is an easy life! lol
 
I had another section D (who was gelded at 3) whom I bought when he was nearly 4. He spooked at EVERYTHING apart from traffic which he was totally solid with. He would spook at sunlight coming through the trees. Once, I accidently left a small plastic bag (about quarter of the size of a carrier bag) in his stable and went back a few minutes later. He was quivering and shaking in the corner. He was 21 when I had him PTS but continued to spook till he died. The only thing that worked was to totally ignore the spooking and if we were on the road out riding and he played up, I'd just shout "don't be so bloody stupid!" if he locked up and refused to go past something. We coped with it somehow, but on windy days, I would feel like a nervous wreck when we got back from a lone hack. When I tried jumping in the paddock, he was practically impossible to control when you got the other side of the fence (and he had a massive jump if he felt like it) - he was very very difficult to turn in canter and would often get so excited he would do a rodeo show for everyone - he tried that on the one and only time we ever attempted some very simple dressage too (it was only walk and trot!) - it seemed that everything that involved a rosette turned him into a nut case. He was, however, wonderful and trusting and out hacking, he could cope with anything - even climbing over a pile of logs (I dismounted for this) so we could get out of a forestry that had been locked.
 
I don't really want to change my instructor as she has been brilliant at helping us and helped with the shoulder issue on the lessons- just as soon as we get anywhere it goes to pot with that!

But ... are the lessons/knowledge you have been given/taught being put into practice when you are out and about - If not then you need to ask yourself why? Is it because you freeze? Is it because you yourself get nervous and that travels to your boy?

Perhaps you should take your instructor out to shows etc and perhaps she can guide you and teach you to overcome these issues.

I do think it would be wise to swap instructors as whilst problems may have been sorted out at home, something is going amiss when you get out and about.

I hope you do get it sorted out before you lose confidence, but if he is getting too much for you perhaps the kindest thing would be to sell him to someone who can overcome the issues.

good luck. xx
 
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