dieseldog
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Who's a bunny hugger - my OH is!
We found it wandering up our drive
We found it wandering up our drive
Hitting Horses - Poll
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Breezesbenefactor
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Got to agree here is it necessary to throw objects doesn't seem a good way to insill respect but more fear?
ColleenIsh
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okies ... still getting used to this site .
viola
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I answered 'shout at' but would go much further with any youngster trying to smash me! However, I went back to the previous post and I personally see no point in hitting any horse, regardless of age and what it has done, a few minutes after it has misbehaved. That's just plain agression not a discipline and no animal understands it.
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I'd say I am very level headed around horses and rarely lose my temper or even raise my voice - my horses know how to behave and respect authority.
I think horses can be very different when on their own or free in groups. I don't think I have ever been affraid of an individual horse, they listen to you much more when they are not in a herd situation and are much more 'domestic' and so when they get abit above themselves I find a jolt on the leadrope or something similar will get them back in check, I try to use the least repremanding possible to achieve what I want but I will reprimand and if the horse is being dangerous, I will 100% definately protect me first and foremost and if that means doing something to shock the horse etc then I will do it.
I hate horses in groups though, they can be unpredictable and dangerous - I think that anyone who is unaware of this is highly stupid. Of course there are ways to handle horses in a group to minimise risk but IMHO being IN a field with horses and food is stupid.
When I was 12 and naive I had a nasty accident in the field because I went to catch my horse from the middle of about 6 horses and something set them off and I got literally run over by my horse (doctor said I was lucky I didn't break my back).
This was my pony who would not hurt a fly, in the stable you could do anything with her - she was so nice tempered but when with lots of other horses she just ran forward because the others did, the fact I was in front of her probably never even crossed her mind.
I trusted that pony like mad but in a herd, knowing them etc doesn't come into it because their herd instinct is stronger than their 'domestic pet' one.
I think horses can be very different when on their own or free in groups. I don't think I have ever been affraid of an individual horse, they listen to you much more when they are not in a herd situation and are much more 'domestic' and so when they get abit above themselves I find a jolt on the leadrope or something similar will get them back in check, I try to use the least repremanding possible to achieve what I want but I will reprimand and if the horse is being dangerous, I will 100% definately protect me first and foremost and if that means doing something to shock the horse etc then I will do it.
I hate horses in groups though, they can be unpredictable and dangerous - I think that anyone who is unaware of this is highly stupid. Of course there are ways to handle horses in a group to minimise risk but IMHO being IN a field with horses and food is stupid.
When I was 12 and naive I had a nasty accident in the field because I went to catch my horse from the middle of about 6 horses and something set them off and I got literally run over by my horse (doctor said I was lucky I didn't break my back).
This was my pony who would not hurt a fly, in the stable you could do anything with her - she was so nice tempered but when with lots of other horses she just ran forward because the others did, the fact I was in front of her probably never even crossed her mind.
I trusted that pony like mad but in a herd, knowing them etc doesn't come into it because their herd instinct is stronger than their 'domestic pet' one.
H-J
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I was double barrelled by my youngster at 6mths when we got him, he had never been handled or had a headcollar on and I went in to the stabl to try and put one on!! I also have a hole in my thigh!!
I would throw anything at a youngster if it was rearing in my face regardless of whos horse it was!
I would throw anything at a youngster if it was rearing in my face regardless of whos horse it was!
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Got to agree here is it necessary to throw objects doesn't seem a good way to insill respect but more fear?
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I do agree and I would never use throwing something at a horse as a normal training tool. But if I feel that the horse is putting me in danger than I would rather scare the horse than risk me! Later when the danger is gone you can work on gaining respect but right there in a dangerous situation you should just concentrate on getting out uninjured not on the long term training programe of your horse!!
Got to agree here is it necessary to throw objects doesn't seem a good way to insill respect but more fear?
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I do agree and I would never use throwing something at a horse as a normal training tool. But if I feel that the horse is putting me in danger than I would rather scare the horse than risk me! Later when the danger is gone you can work on gaining respect but right there in a dangerous situation you should just concentrate on getting out uninjured not on the long term training programe of your horse!!
Weezy
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VERY well said jem1
Ferdinase514
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Sorry - haven't read all the posts - would take half the night!
for all those who feel yelling, hitting foal etc is not acceptable...have you seen what a mare does to put a youngster in it's place?!
for all those who feel yelling, hitting foal etc is not acceptable...have you seen what a mare does to put a youngster in it's place?!
_Jazz_
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
Rachel_M
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Sorry - haven't read all the posts - would take half the night!
for all those who feel yelling, hitting foal etc is not acceptable...have you seen what a mare does to put a youngster in it's place?!
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Exactly.
Lets stop treating them like a glass house. They HAVE to learn manners, the way that horses understands because even if a foal is only "playing around" it can do a hell of a lot of damage.
A quick snap at the right time and place will do the trick. If I feel in danger ( say horse has front feet directed at me) then I would throw what ever was available, full stop. They can't think they can get away we anything threatening or dangerous.
Sorry - haven't read all the posts - would take half the night!
for all those who feel yelling, hitting foal etc is not acceptable...have you seen what a mare does to put a youngster in it's place?!
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Exactly.
Lets stop treating them like a glass house. They HAVE to learn manners, the way that horses understands because even if a foal is only "playing around" it can do a hell of a lot of damage.
A quick snap at the right time and place will do the trick. If I feel in danger ( say horse has front feet directed at me) then I would throw what ever was available, full stop. They can't think they can get away we anything threatening or dangerous.
ColleenIsh
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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i just snorted there thanks lol
By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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i just snorted there thanks lol
By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
Rachel_M
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
Breezesbenefactor
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Don't get me wrong my mare takes no s**t from anyone but I merely question whether it is right or maybe just maybe there might be another way. Sure if bit of pushing the odd slap here and there doesn't do anything but if you've got time to throw you've got time to run.
But I agree only a fool lets their guard down when around these animals they are unpredictable and aggressive.
But I agree only a fool lets their guard down when around these animals they are unpredictable and aggressive.
SecretSquirrell379
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My boy who is not a youngster went up on me full height in the field on Sunday evening, he was not being aggressive just full of beans and excited to see his dinner. However, he scared the cr*p out of me and I yelled at him in no uncertain terms that he should pack it in and calm down. He is as dopey as they come and his legs fly everywhere when he goes, I was not risking a stray leg flying in my direction. I was ready to wack him on the butt with his hay net if he tried it again, he didn't.
I don't agree with beating horses in any way but if they need a smack then they will get one, but only on the bum or on the chest, I have never ever kicked or punched my horses and never will. I also send them away if I am in the field and I get a bit to rough a nudge (normally when I am bending over the wheel barrow full of poo!!)
I don't agree with beating horses in any way but if they need a smack then they will get one, but only on the bum or on the chest, I have never ever kicked or punched my horses and never will. I also send them away if I am in the field and I get a bit to rough a nudge (normally when I am bending over the wheel barrow full of poo!!)
_Jazz_
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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i just snorted there thanks lol
By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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I'm listening, I hear you
They can be sooo entertaining at that age !
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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i just snorted there thanks lol
By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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I'm listening, I hear you
They can be sooo entertaining at that age !
lexiedhb
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Spiral was replying and agreeing with what I said (you can see who a poster is replyng to as it says Re: XXXXXXXX next to the title of the thread on each post)
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Yeah saw that but didnt think saying you threw a bucket classed a s being a bunny hugger or whatever, dont mind me in a world of my own most of the time!!!
Spiral was replying and agreeing with what I said (you can see who a poster is replyng to as it says Re: XXXXXXXX next to the title of the thread on each post)
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Yeah saw that but didnt think saying you threw a bucket classed a s being a bunny hugger or whatever, dont mind me in a world of my own most of the time!!!
_Jazz_
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?Aggressive
Are you referring to horses or humans being aggressive, my £££ on the latter !!!
Are you referring to horses or humans being aggressive, my £££ on the latter !!!
Ferdinase514
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By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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So until then you will sit him/her down and calmly explain to her the philosphy behind you being in charge and ask her if she wouldn't mind too much just not rearing.....
FFS!
Animals understand cause and effect. They do not have our complex situational reasoning skills.
By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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So until then you will sit him/her down and calmly explain to her the philosphy behind you being in charge and ask her if she wouldn't mind too much just not rearing.....
FFS!
Animals understand cause and effect. They do not have our complex situational reasoning skills.
Ferdinase514
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Oh Tia! You've gotten me all annoyed now
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
ColleenIsh
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By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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So until then you will sit him/her down and calmly explain to her the philosphy behind you being in charge and ask her if she wouldn't mind too much just not rearing.....
FFS!
wtf ? ??
Im talking in general , so hold your horses *excuse the pun* , Im not on about rearing !! DEAR GOD
Animals understand cause and effect. They do not have our complex situational reasoning skills.
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By the way ... just for anyone thinking that Im against punishing my youngster Im not !! Im all for it but at the right TIME !
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So until then you will sit him/her down and calmly explain to her the philosphy behind you being in charge and ask her if she wouldn't mind too much just not rearing.....
FFS!
wtf ? ??
Im talking in general , so hold your horses *excuse the pun* , Im not on about rearing !! DEAR GOD
Animals understand cause and effect. They do not have our complex situational reasoning skills.
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lexiedhb
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Oh Tia! You've gotten me all annoyed now
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
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Surely there are many differnet ways to train animals, (I mean even top levelk trainers all have very different methods) and we all have our own opinions on them and so tia is entitled to hers
Oh Tia! You've gotten me all annoyed now
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
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Surely there are many differnet ways to train animals, (I mean even top levelk trainers all have very different methods) and we all have our own opinions on them and so tia is entitled to hers
Jellicle
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
Ferdinase514
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You have me wrong!
Am in agreement with Tia
Am in agreement with Tia
_Jazz_
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There are some bright sparks on tonight
Ferdinase514
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
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Do you mean opposable thumbs....?
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
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Do you mean opposable thumbs....?
Breezesbenefactor
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I'm assuming we're all cool round our ponies, but horses can be aggressive I apologise if I missed the intended pun?
ColleenIsh
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Oh Tia! You've gotten me all annoyed now
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
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hope that isnt for me ....
Oh Tia! You've gotten me all annoyed now
Wish I hadn't read this thread. Can't stand people who don't understand how to train animals. Grrrr.
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hope that isnt for me ....
_Jazz_
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Rachel_M
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
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Yeah, they use them to hit other horses with when they get pissed off with each other and then when the owner comes to check on them they hide them.
I meant that.......
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Yep, and I've seen two foals playing together without whacking each other with a feed scoop
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I am sure if foals has disposable thumbs and could handle one they would comprehend using one. They may not use a feed scoop- their hooves have the same effect.
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Sorry but pmsl at disposable thumbs!
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Yeah, they use them to hit other horses with when they get pissed off with each other and then when the owner comes to check on them they hide them.
I meant that.......