Holstein and others True or False

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From an email received today.

"Holstein and other German registries require that all horses entered into their studbooks are actually born in their country to be eligible and UK bonr horses cannot go into their studbook"

TRUE OR FALSE

Can someone help me here. Which other German breeds cannot be born in the UK if they are to retain their pedigree status.
 
It is not true. A British branded Hanoverian mare was in the top mare show in Verden and another was awarded a St Pr.
 
Not sure about Holsteins but Boston a dressage stallion was UK bred, went abroad as a 3 year old after grading in the UK, and has since graded into the oldenburg studbook!!
 
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Holstein may need to be born in the region, I wouldnt know. Trakehners and Hanoverians have a daughter studbook in the UK, so main stud book passports issued here are issued under the same rules as with the verband, so foal can go to Germany and breed there
its nice as the foal is acknowledged as British bred, but has a passport accepted by the main verband
 
From another forum - I have an answer that Holstein mares have to be shipped back to Germany to foal if the foal is to be registered in the mother stud book.

I am not aware of any other German breeds which have this ruling.
 
True or not, I seriously believe that foals should be credited to the country they were born in, whichever studbook you use. The initials GB/UK don't take up much room and can mean a lot to the breeders.
 
I actually spoke to the GEF this morning and asked about registration for several German Breeds. I have an answer, which I cannot post at the moment.

There is so much confusion with regard to registration and issue of passports across EU member states, we see this frequently on this forum.

It is a shame there is not one single internet site which explains the rules and regulations for stud books. The current difference in interpretation of Passport Regs between three member states, some of which is still unresolved after nearly five years, is thoroughly unsatisfactory.

I lost two breeding seasons while I tried to unravel the mess. I am no further forward than I was in 2006.
 
The French situation has been clarified recently and they will put the breeding in passports if the Society in the country of origin applies for recognition by Haras Nationaux and many UK societies have.
 
sywell said:
The French situation has been clarified recently and they will put the breeding in passports if the Society in the country of origin applies for recognition by Haras Nationaux and many UK societies have.
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Not all UK societies though, which leaves some breeders in a sort of no man's land. I was interested to find out how Germany deals with pedigree horses not born in Germany.
 
Rollin said:
Not all UK societies though, which leaves some breeders in a sort of no man's land. I was interested to find out how Germany deals with pedigree horses not born in Germany.
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We know Oldenburg,Westfalian and Deutsch Pferd come to Uk to register horses and would issue them with passports with the DE/276 prefix and according to DEFRA rules "the horse is born in the country where the passport was issued) where the studbook is. As far as Hanoverians are concerned the BHHS as the daughter society issues and grades horses that are eligible for the studbook and this includes some horses from other breeding populations and they are fully accepted by the Hannoveraner Verband. It is interesting outside of the EU there is resentment when say the KWPN go to Argentina and grade and document horses and then go home as Eduado Rosenburg says "You come to my country and grade horses and go home and you do not even say Hello. Who are you people." In Canada also the feeling is how do you build up your sports horse breeding if people come in and grade horses and go away again. I would be surprised to discover that different German societies have different rules about horses bred outside of Germany as the Breeding director of the FN Klaus Miesner oversees the activities of all the German Breeding Associations and they usually have an agreed policy.
 
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