Holsteiner / Holstine - Does anyone have one?

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Just wondering how you found them in terms of temperament ? Would you consider them suitable for the everyday rider ..i know thats vague... i think what i mean is i do like unnafiliated showjumping prob to a max of 90cm and up to novice dressage. I know it goes on the individual horse but generally you can make an assumption of a breed as a whole.

Hope that explains - basically i've seen one i like the look of, not tried her yet and considering whether its worth pursuing - i don;t know whether i'm going out of my league. ....I'm not a novice by any means but i won;t be breaking any world records either!
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As above who is the dam/sire? I only ask as I have one, when i went looking onto his breeding on what limited info I found he is very true to type. If i had known that then i prob wouldn’t have bought him, as it is i over horsed myself and I’m still trying to get to grips with him 3 years later. He was sold to me as ok for an amateur, unfortunately I’m not a good amateur.
It really does depend, mine is register Holstiner but has a large amount of selle francais on his sires side and often get mistaken for ISH or full thoroughbred.
That said he is nice boy but a bit tricky through mistakes I’ve made, lots of talent thou, more than I will need I think.

ETS, sorry that wasnt really that helpful! I think it does come down to indiviual horses but breeding can give you a bit of an idea. I was never intrested in breeding but I now take more of an intrest and if I was to buy again I would try and find out as much info as I could just in case before making my own mind up after riding it.
If you like the look of her then i would go and try as you never know.
 
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Holsteiner / Holstine - Does anyone have one?


No. Have known a few though and tbh they were all owned by capable SJers. Not sure how they'd be in amateur hands, possibly like any WB though.
 
I think it all depends on the animal, i have a Kwpn sire is a holstein (Chico's boy). Would i have another one? yes, but be prepared for the good, the bad and the ugly!!! When its all going well he has superb movement and scope over fences, when its bad we spend most of the time on hind legs, spooking or spinning. It costs me a fortune to feed it, keep it warm, and its never turned out 24/7. However most rewarding knowing ive had him 2yrs and was pretty much impossible to ride, now I enjoy him and even let my novice mother ride him.
 
thankyou all - i dont know who the sire and damn is - shes just advertised as exceptionally well bred..that was to be one of questions if i decided to pursue.

She has done a lot of sj and my fears are as you have mentioned being a warmblood.

I am going to view as i think i will regret it if i don;t. She is described as steady and happy to hack aswell as having the ability to do more if required. I will take on board all that you have said - those of you that own them.

Thanks all
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All the 'open' warmblood books are regional not genetic so it's impossible to say 'What are x horses like?' any more than you can say, 'What are British.people like?' Knowing the actual breeding IS helpful as there is a vast amount of data available about heritable characteristics in warmblood breeding. Yes, the individual is the important consideration but they've been making those horses with a plan for a long time and you certainly can learn useful things from it.

Holsteiners (Holsteins are the cows ;) ), as a book, are big, strong horses bred to jump. Most of the blood brought from other books is to that end, vs, say for dressage. They TEND to not be the prettiest horses but are generally straightforward and get the job done. As such many are more suitable for amateurs than some of the more sensitive lines, although that is relative and they are still bred to be sports cars more than run arounds. I've heard from a few people they tend to make good hunters, which makes sense.
 
My lad is predominantly holsteiner if you look back through his breeding. He is the easiest horse I've ever had. Excellent temperament, fabulous jumper and great attitude. I'd definitely have another in a heartbeat.
 
I have one by Quickstar and he is anything but a novice ride. I have never met a horse as sharp as him. My trainer rates him as very talented but very very hard work. He would not be suitable for riding club.
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We have 2...
The 18yr old is by Lobster... Bred to jump, has a super temperament, and a real trier. Mum got him as a just backed 4 yr old for Dressage. Loose jumping, you can see his talent. He's a bit lary to hack, but never malicious, just likes to keep it interesting. lovely true middleweight, 17hh x-wide saddle fit, and no whither. Not for a novice, but for someone wanting to progress to dressage, he's a great school master, and really straight.
The 2nd is 12yrs, grandsire Ramiro. Advanced Dressage, vey sensitive, also a real trier, but gets upset. Not for novice, and not anyones ride. 16.3hh again true middleweight, farrier loves him, and says hes like a bull with a leg at each corner. Theres a pic of him my albums (bright bay)
Proffessionals really like him, and my mums gets the best out of him, but it took 3 yrs of blood, sweat and tears to get the partnership right.
Both are good doers, and have to watch their weight. Both are very kissy kissy in the stable too, although that may be my mums influence.
 
hi holly j ,my boy is a registered belguim warmblood ,lux burgraff his blood lines make him, holsteiner but born in beiguim; in no way is he novice hes lovely not a nasty bone ;but hes not easy hes lazy and sharp spooky when he works hes stunning dressage judges love him but he is oneof the most quirky horsesi ever known and yes god help me i adore him:D
 
I have a Con Air x Cassini I holsteiner. Like most warmbloods he has taken a while for the mature penny to drop but he is a very easy ride. He is spooky, but he is so straight forward to ride. He has had novices get on him and he has behaved like a riding school plod, he has had more advanced riders on him and he has stepped up his movement (and the spooking!!).

He hasnt done a lot with me due to one reason or another, but i can pick him up and put him down. He has the nature ability to do well in jumping or dressage but as i said i havent done a lot.

I think it doesnt really matter on the breed, you can get good and bad in all breed types. Its really what the individual horse is like.
 
I have a holsteiner x hanoverian. He has plenty of SF thrown in. He is the perfect horse, IMO. Very well mannered, very talented on the flat and over jumps, brave, rideable, a touch sharp but only in a way that makes him a fantastic ride. The only caveat is that I would not sell him to a novice - he takes his confidence from competent riding and handling and would get nervy, I think, if he went to an inexperienced home.
 
My boy is a Holsteiner....Cash x Cor de la Bryere. He is big bold and brave with a huuuge amount of jump. He is also the sweetest, gentlest most genuine horse I have ever had. I wouldn't consider myself a novice....I've been riding for 39 years....but I am definitely and amateur. He can stay in for a week and still hack out at the weekend on the buckle in a force 8 gale. I think in the Wrong hands ANY horse could be a problem...WB's especially...but I'd definitely have another one :-)
 
I have a full Holstein gelding and while he is beautiful and talented he is the trickiest horse I have ever come across. Definitely not easy, very intelligent, very opinionated, very busy brain but loves attention.
Takes a huge amount of patience and I find he is best in strict routine, but even then he is certainly never that predictable. Loves his jumping and is very well behaved at shows.
They are predominantly bred to be proper competition horses and not the easiest for leisure riders.
Obviously a generalisation but all those I have come across are similar to mine.
 
I have a KWPN but he has a lot of Holstein breeding when you look back. (By VDL Radisson out of a Wolfgang mare) They're bred to do a job (whether it be jumping or dressage) and are bred to do it very well! Therefore they do come with their quirks. Some aren't for the faint hearted and some are much more reserved. I think parentage plays a big part but more than anything how they have been produced, they're powerful and talented breeds and need producing well, I'm not saying that they're only for professionals by any means as I'm an amatuer and have produced mine from a novice 5yr old to 1.20m level, but he certainly hasn't been a walk in the park! :D but if you like it and feel safe then why not? I wouldn't look for anything else now tbh! :)
 
Wow a lot of these sound like one of mine! ! Sire is Lorentin . At home he is lazy and spooky. At events he is a winner. But lazy/spooky on xc mean we either win double clear or have problems xc.
He is v friendly. V. good looking and my friend s 6yr old non rider was walking bareback around arena before anyone else could get on him. He was sold as anybodies ride and to be fair he only get s tricky when you ask him to work. He is fine when my sister who doesn't ride Potters around. But I think part the quirks are done to him winning lots of the battles between us. And now a power struggle.
Would I buy him again? Yes. But I would do things very different. For example get good regular help immediately. When I'm away he goes to one of my two trainer's for boot camp. And he always thrives in the professional environment. I keep him at home.
 
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My boy is a Holsteiner....Cash x Cor de la Bryere. He is big bold and brave with a huuuge amount of jump. He is also the sweetest, gentlest most genuine horse I have ever had. I wouldn't consider myself a novice....I've been riding for 39 years....but I am definitely and amateur. He can stay in for a week and still hack out at the weekend on the buckle in a force 8 gale. I think in the Wrong hands ANY horse could be a problem...WB's especially...but I'd definitely have another one :-)
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SNAP! Sounds just like my mare but she is by Caretino.....
Got her as a 4yr old and she is 7 today!!! Is by far the easiest horse I have ever had....... Makes me look very professional over a fence ;)
 
Well, I just got back from a snowy (we're in Canada) hack on my giant 17.2 holsteiner. He is coming 7 this year. We've had him for just over a year now. My boyfriend and I are amateurs but we have an excellent eventing coach we work with regularly and a dressage pro that helps on an "when we can afford it" basis.

Our boy came to us with 30 days under saddle. He is an Indoctro son out of a Voltaire dam. His temperament is beyond fabulous though Indoctro has been rumoured to throw a 'pro' ride. We started him slowly (he is a giant after all) and took our time. He can pop around a 80 cm course like a hunter, has an unbelievable ability to collect (it actually causes problems and many giggles when he does 9 pony strides in a 5 stride line). He has been cross country schooling with nary a blink, figured out ditches after his second outing and would make someone a fabulous dressage coach. Instead he's relegated to packing my amateur butt around and he does a great job of it despite being green and inexperienced.

Biggest difficulty for the first bit in jumping him was staying on when he over jumps. I was initially unprepared coming up to a 30 cm cross rail and having him do his crazy leap (neck strap saved me many times!!). He has now figured out the jumping thing and is undoubtedly the best horse I have ever or will ever own. He crosses the creek hacking, is happy to lead or follow and is my heart horse.

He is a grunter and communicates his complaints but moaning and groaning if he doesn't like it. He is not a bucker and is more the type to startle in place by freezing. My coach can't believe that I can leave him for 3 or 4 days and then get on as though he hasn't had any time off. Other than for educational purposes at the very beginning he has not spent time on the lunge line and my (tall) boyfriend loves taking him for hacks in the cross country field bareback. I'm too short to get on bareback even with a mounting block so I'm stuck with a saddle.

I have no doubt that many breeders would have pegged him as a pro ride. His canter is huge and his trot ridiculously springy... but now that I've figured out how to stay with him it is his brain that I adore. Very, very good boy.

Edited to add that he is the "second" horse we broke. The first is a canadian warmblood who is coming 5. Just so you all know I'm not kidding about the amateur part. :D
 
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Just another thing - they are physically slow to mature... My mums horse was 16.1hh at four, 16.2hh at six. Then grew to 17hh by seven and a half - he's a true middleweight with good bone, so overall a big boy :)
 
I have a fabulous Holstein mare in at the moment who is proving to be a paragon of virtue to be honest... Practically perfect in every way! She's only 4, Cassini lines, moves amazingly & you need a parachute to jump her.

Would highly recommend - very trainable :)
 
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