Honest opinions on this mare please?!

Cobrastyle said:
Haha ok it's a challenge!

Am based in North West so anywhere within reason (Cheshire, Lancs etc), we are prepared to travel for right horsie! xx
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ohhh me too :)

where abouts? pm me if you want.... i know enough people/places to look in the north west :)


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natalia said:
I can't believe anyone thinks that 2k for a safe hack is too much money! What planet are you stingey lot on?! How much do you think it costs to produce a safe horse? Upkeep, shoes, even the cost of importing a horse over? 2k is cheap for ANY horse, esp. if it does the job you want, be it hacking or a low level rc type. She has other strengths ie, driving job and a safe ride and drive will always be a good bet as they are normally sensible and good in traffic.
As for advert being wrong there isn't a button on horsemart for her breed, so they have picked closest thing to attract attention from people looking for that type. Simples!
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You don't actually have to choose a breed, you can just put 'cob', which would have sufficed. And as for the cost of importing, why bother? There are plenty of safe, sensible cobs bred in Britain. A horse which is 10 (?) and has only driven until 18 mths ago and then only walked and trotted, is NOT worth £2K. But anyway, if I'm right it doesn't even exist. I've seen plenty of these non-existant horses on free web-sites, with the same photo used in more than one. Names like Danielle seem to be used very often for the seller. I am surprised that it is on Horsemart, I can only assume that they are now making plenty of money through whatever this scam is.
 
I wondered about an 'over seas' rescue too, especially as they seem to mention her hard life abroad more than once.

Could be a lovely horse though, just go and see her with an open mind.

Let us know how you get on.
 
Girl on our yard recently got a pony for her daughter via the Preloved site, she has him on loan and hes a cracker. May be an option rather than buying.
 
natalia said:
Jack9- the horses you are providing adverts for really are only conformationally fit for sausages.
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in your opinion.


OP did not ask for fab conformation. Im sending Op ads as requested...

we obviously have very different goals for horses....
 
Yes but OP is asking for a horse that will pass a 5 stage vetting and be fit to work for life, not lame or useless after a years work.
 
natalia said:
Jack9- the horses you are providing adverts for really are only conformationally fit for sausages.
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Little unfair. The last coloured is only a baby and has some growing to do. Was it her posted the Dales? He's lovely looking. I think she's just showing that there are other horses out there. No need to be quite so condemning.
 
cinammontoast said:
Little unfair. The last coloured is only a baby and has some growing to do. Was it her posted the Dales? He's lovely looking. I think she's just showing that there are other horses out there. No need to be quite so condemning.
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thanks at least you see where im coming from


natalia - you thnk these are any worse than the first??

im guessing you have a 5k + event horse then and these 2k cobs are not upto your standard.....



lol.
 
I actuallly like the stamp of the dales but if you read the advert it actually sounds like it's a lard arse that won't hack out well, so no good for op. The original mare is worth a look as isn't hideous and seems to know her job but simply dosent understand 3rd gear. With a few more faster hacks from a rider who actually wants her to shift I'm sure she would come right and pick it up quite quickly. The coloured cobs are terrible conformation wise and will have no end of probs in later life due to the way they will pound the ground and cause excess strain on larger joints. In my opinion if your purchasing a cob with a view to long term rideability and soundness you need something that's reasonably well put together in the first place as they do hit the ground running harder than anything lighter. I would hope that any vet worth his salt wouldn't pass these types as they aren't built to stand up to any workload. FYI I have show cobs and by mid teen most of these will suffer some kind of condition due to simply being heavier set and the reasons above, you don't want to shorten your enjoyment by buying something that is disadvantaged in the first place.
 
jack9 said:
thanks at least you see where im coming from


natalia - you thnk these are any worse than the first??

im guessing you have a 5k + event horse then and these 2k cobs are not upto your standard.....



lol.
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*Runs and hides self and stinky cob* (which flew through a 5 stage and will NEVER have issues!)
 
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Jack9- actually I deal for a living and none of these would be welcome on my yard! Got nout against cobs and have quite a few currently but always would go for semi decent conformation first as types like these simply won't go through a vet!
 
natalia said:
Jack9- actually I deal for a living and none of these would be welcome on my yard! Got nout against cobs and have quite a few currently but always would go for semi decent conformation first as types like these simply won't go through a vet!
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but difference being were going for 2k and under cobs.... im guessing your talking double that +? When then - if i was paying 4k+ for a horse id want something entirely different. (think 2 mills)..... its something i thought of but not sure i can justify 4k+ on a horse. (just my opinion and not having a go at anyone! ) :)
 
natalia said:
Yes but OP is asking for a horse that will pass a 5 stage vetting and be fit to work for life, not lame or useless after a years work.
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Not if she was considering the horse in the ad that she posted the link to.

And in fact if I were looking for a horse suitable for a nervous hacker, I wouldn't be so bothered for a 5-stage vetting, which an't predict the future anyway.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Not if she was considering the horse in the ad that she posted the link to.

And in fact if I were looking for a horse suitable for a nervous hacker, I wouldn't be so bothered for a 5-stage vetting, which an't predict the future anyway.
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goodpoint ^

i dont plan to get my next one vetted tbh.....
 
jack9 said:
goodpoint ^

i dont plan to get my next one vetted tbh.....
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I've never had one vetted and have kept the vast majority of them into old age. The 12 yr old died of cancer (we think) after we'd had her 4 yrs and the 6 yr old died of some mystery illness which led to laminitis, after 18mths owning her. She is the only one that a vetting might have made a difference to but as the vet who treated her didn't know what was wrong..........
 
Agreed, horses for nervous hackers don't have to pass a 5 stge vetting but sadly most nervous hackers dont see it like this as they are normally inexperienced novices who trust vets word as gospel. Op has already stated she's having a full vetting! I havent looked properly at first ads pics but not as bad as some of those coloureds. There are bargains to be had but you have to look hard! And no, I have quite a few round the 2-3k mark, depends what I can buy them in at. Do a search on hm for welsh d's liver chestnut mare 9 yrs in surrey and you'll see one of my "cheapies" that came in cheap as had bred a foal and needed bringing back in to work so dosent need to go out for too much money. Our posh horses go on horse quest ;)
 
Don't mean to butt in here but for the people who say they don't intend/have never had one vetted..do you have insurance at all? Most decent insurance companies worth their salt insist on at least a two stage vetting.:confused:
 
Also, just because someone is 'nervous' hacking does not mean they are in any way inexperienced with horses! Maybe they have had an accident on the road in the past, or maybe they simply do not feel comfortable hacking in the area they are in? You don't have to be a novice rider to feel nervous in certain situations on horses!

I have had horses most of my life and my last horse was very difficult to ride. I rode him every day on the road because I had nowhere else to ride him, but felt completely happy and really loved hacking out - even up mountain roads with drops on one side of the road. But my new mare is jumpy on the roads and spins if really scared by something. The roads I hack her on are narrow and cars come down at high speed. I also don't have anyone to hack out with regularly. Therefore I am 'wary' about hacking out alone in this situation. I also deal with difficult horses on almost a daily basis with my job, some unhandleable given the background they come from. So I don't consider myself inexperienced and novice with horses.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I've never had one vetted and have kept the vast majority of them into old age. The 12 yr old died of cancer (we think) after we'd had her 4 yrs and the 6 yr old died of some mystery illness which led to laminitis, after 18mths owning her. She is the only one that a vetting might have made a difference to but as the vet who treated her didn't know what was wrong..........
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Interesting a guy at our yard had two on loan with a view to buy. Had them vetted first, one was going blind and the other had a dodgy heartbeat and could not be worked. LOL! At least get their eyes and heart checked.
 
Moomin1 said:
Don't mean to butt in here but for the people who say they don't intend/have never had one vetted..do you have insurance at all? Most decent insurance companies worth their salt insist on at least a two stage vetting.:confused:
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Would you class NFU as as insurance company "worth their salt"?
I have insured all my horses over the past 20 years with NFU and none of them were vetted on purchase.
NFU have never questioned this, they have always been happy to insure them.
 
Right, a lot to plough through in this thread!! Apologies if I miss anything out!


Izzwizz said:
Girl on our yard recently got a pony for her daughter via the Preloved site, she has him on loan and hes a cracker. May be an option rather than buying.
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Friend ideally wants a horse of her own and for life, she doesn't want to build attachments to a horse for them to be taken away! (I know there are exceptions but seems to be norm!) However LWVTB is a strong option.


jack9 said:
where abouts? pm me if you want.... i know enough people/places to look in the north west :)
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Thankyou jack9, had a look at a few of them, sound nice! Will forward them onto friend :)

natalia said:
I actuallly like the stamp of the dales but if you read the advert it actually sounds like it's a lard arse that won't hack out well, so no good for op. The original mare is worth a look as isn't hideous and seems to know her job but simply dosent understand 3rd gear. With a few more faster hacks from a rider who actually wants her to shift I'm sure she would come right and pick it up quite quickly.
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Agree 100%. The dales is stunning but needs 'reschooling for hacking'. Why?! What does said horse do?! That's what worries me for a nervous hacker!
Re: cob - this again is what I'm thinking. Surely once friend builds up confidence in walk and trot, she can push for canter when she is comfortable? If that makes sense!

Pearlsasinger said:
And in fact if I were looking for a horse suitable for a nervous hacker, I wouldn't be so bothered for a 5-stage vetting, which an't predict the future anyway.
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Can I ask why? If this horse is to be a lifelong commitment, surely better to flag up any potential lameness issues or uncover old injuries that could affect future usage?!

Moomin1 said:
Also, just because someone is 'nervous' hacking does not mean they are in any way inexperienced with horses! Maybe they have had an accident on the road in the past, or maybe they simply do not feel comfortable hacking in the area they are in? You don't have to be a novice rider to feel nervous in certain situations on horses!
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I agree with this. Buyer wants a safe horse to be able to progress with. She is by no means a novice, and used to compete regulary, but after a few dodgy falls she can't afford to be in danger of coming off all the time.
Vetting is for peace of mind and as said above, to detect anything worth noting. Obviously vetting aren't the be all and end all but it offers some reassurance. I've always had my horses vetted, with one I was going to buy failed - turns out owner was a bit choosy with the history!

Thanks again guys :) xx
 
Broadly speaking - insurance companies will insure without a vetting if the horse is under £2K or £2.5K. However, anything over that will need to have passed a 5*.

BTW - going back to a very old post... would love to know where you can buy a good eventer for £5K!! show me please!
 
I would have thought that there probably isnt an "Ardennes" option on horsemart so picked the closest thing and then put the real breeding in the description area.
 
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