Hoof/Foot Experts - Help!

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A little while ago (on the 4th April) my 21 yo BWP gelding became lame and very footie after a normal shoeing on the 3rd Apr.

Quite a long story, but I'll try and keep it simple!

On the 3rd April my farrier came out to shoe my horse. Nothing out the ordinary apart from his shoes had been done 8 weeks instead of 6. He was a little longer in the toe but fully sound and happy. We had a massive snowstorm around 22 - 25 March where the snow was about 8'' deep in his field. He was turned out for around 7 hours a day in it as he hates being stabled when his friends are out. I did put gallons of vaseline on his soles, but I did notice balling in his feet.

Anyway, the farrier hot shod him as normal and took his toes back. He was fine and I turned him back out.

The next day he came in not hopping lame, but sore and footie on both front feet. I called the farrier immediately and he explained that he had to take his toe back a little extra due to the extra growth. I was happy with the answer and kept an eye on him. The days went by and he was a little but not much better; he had heat in both hooves and was still tender, so I called the farrier back to access him. We took his soles back with a hoof knife to find he had two massive bright red bruises around his toe and towards his frog on each hoof. I gave him some bute to help the pain and put him back to bed. He was on bute for around 4 days.

I kept a close eye on him for any changes and seen that his right hoof was a lot sounder than his left for a week or so then it would change back to left sounder right sore. I soaked them in epsom salts and poulticed him incase of an abscess - I didn't find an abscess in either hoof.

I reseted him well and he came sound again so I started to ride on soft ground. He was going very well and came completely sound. I only walked and trotted him for the first few weeks and had the occasional slow canter.

I did notice on stony or pebbly surfaces that he is sore still so I got the farrier to put a leather pad on his left hoof to protect him.

Bring it up to two weeks ago and he's sore on his front left again. He's completely sound in walk on soft/hard surfaces then what I'd call 'uneven' trotting on hard surfaces. He has his ears pricked and extends out but it just doesn't look right, like he kind of sways his legs out like he's uncomfortable and has the smallest bobbing of his head too. There is no heat or swelling in either hooves. He is fine to turn in a circle to the right but kind of lumpy to the left.

I've booked in to get him x-rayed this friday. But my farrier is adamant that it's a deep seated bruise that is still healing but I'm about 60% sure it's the remnant of the very severe bruise and about 40% concerned about a pedal or coffin fracture.

Thanks for reading.

What do you guys think??
 
Just a thought but you said there was heat and tenderness and bruising. It could be that he had a spot of laminitis (the x-rays will show this).

Not sure if you know (I found out the hard way with my pony) but when there is a frost or snow there is actually a very high sugar content in the grass that sits on the surface making it easy for ponies and horses alike to catch laminitis.

I know my farrier said this year was particularly bad for it and he had quite a lot of horses that had never showed any signs come down with it.

I might be completely wrong (usually I am! :) LoL!) but something to think about.

Good Luck! I hope everything is fine.
 
Deep bruising can take a long time to heal, but I'm afraid I'm with Dannyboy on this one and would suspect he may have had a touch of laminitis, in which case the x-rays might not be a bad idea anyway. At his age, metabolic issues could be playing a part too.

I think I'd also be considering ways to thicken his sole, looking at diet and dare I say it, even shoe removal to build a healthier foot.
 
Thanks for the replies. I question lami with my farrier and he said he highly doubts it is. When he first went lame his field was pretty bare and was mainly eating hay.
 
Thanks for the replies. I question lami with my farrier and he said he highly doubts it is. When he first went lame his field was pretty bare and was mainly eating hay.

There are plenty of cases that succumb to lamintis in cold conditions, the grass that is available is very high in fructans and I've known several horses get it while the fields are completely snow covered. It may not be, but I wouldn't rule it out completely. Lots of cushingoid horses get winter laminits, it might just be worth testing for. The red bruising would be classic of bleeding into the sub solar corium.

Hopefully your x-rays will give you peace of mind (I wouldn't be letting the farrier cut off any more much needed sole though!)
 
At his age I would also consider metabolic related laminitis - it certainly wouldn't hurt to have him tested for cushings

Is he lame in both feet on a tight circle to the left, or just on the left fore? If his hooves were longer than usual, it may be that the trim significantly changed his medio-lateral foot balance. It would suggest that the lateral side of his left fore is sore due to soft tissue strain in the hoof capsule. It would also explain the change in movement, as he may have started landing medially to compensate. This is pure guesswork, however... hoof photos would be helpful :).

As it's been going on for some time now, I would get the vet out for a lameness workup and go from there.
 
Reading this - I could have written it myself as it happened to my mare a few weeks ago - I'd def say theres an abscess in there - just soaking yourself and poulticing wont do a thing - you need the farrier to come back and dig about!

Same thing for me - new shoes on - had been a bit foot sore but she'd had none of for two weeks so thought perhaps bruised sole ... one day lame as in couldnt walk - next day completely fine ... hacked out in walk completely sound but come to trotting she was still lame.

Farrier came at weekend, pulled the shoe off and said straight away theres been an abscess - dug around and we found it had already popped - she's now 100% lame free ....

xxx
 
Unfortunately it could be any number of things, but i would definitely check for cushings at that age. According to my vet most older horses get it, some cope and some don't and will need medication. My Shetland has it and is on medication everyday.

I would also say try feeding Formula 4 Feet and maybe taking the shoes off. I feed it to both mine. It is a little expensive but it is brilliant stuff. Really helped with my Shetland as with all her laminitis it got to the point that the farrier didn't think he would be able to do anymore but when she started on that it all changed and she's been going another 3 years.

Also I took my Cobs shoes off also and on the Formula 4 Feet his feet hardened beautifully and we were able to hack out with no problems and without any boots within weeks (after being shod for over 15 years!) The farrier can't believe how wonderful his feet are and how well they stay in shape. I now only have to have his feet trimmed every 6 months and have not had any problems hacking out so the stuff pays for itself in not having to pay shoeing costs every 6 weeks!
 
Thanks again for the replies. At the moment he is very happy and was even cantering round his field bucking last night.

I really think I'm worrying too much as both vet and farrier have said it was a severe deep seated bruise that'll take time to heal and I shouldn't worry.

I'm looking forward to the x-rays on friday and I'm hoping they'll come back clear too.

This is him on Sunday after his bath, he is putting even weight through both fores in this; but sometimes stands with his left front flat on the ground, but further forward than his right.

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We had one at work that fractured a pedal bone, he was totally non-weight bearing and in a lot of pain. He was stabled for a month if I remember rightly (long time ago now!) Edited - yours looks a lovely lad btw.
 
Thanks touchstone.

I'm still certain that it's just a really deep bruise from compacted snow that built up in his shoes.
 
I hope it is for you. :) I've known bruises take months to come right.

Looking at his feet, (hard to judge from a picture and it might just be the colouring and angling of the pic/way he's stood) his right foot looks more upright than his left?

This was what happened to my mare after she developed low grade laminitis; she went in for x-rays after very slight intermittent lameness which showed her pedal bone had dropped slightly in one foot only. Hopefully that isn't the case for your lad, but x-rays will show any changes anyway. Good luck for Friday! :)
 
Some other pics of his hooves

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This is when he had his front right shoe off when he was more lame on it. His right is now totally sound.

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Just a quick update - Still a tiny bit lame in trot, kind of a slight bobbing of his head on the concrete drive and pretty much fully sound on the grass.

I've noticed a single ring round his left hoof from the stress/injury.

He also has a 2 cm chip/chunk of hoof missing, it's on his left fore from the out wall upwards. Could this be causing the lameness?
 
Im still going with abscess ... if it was me, I'd get farrier back out :)

I fully trust my farrier, but I'm getting my friends farrier out to have a look around it too. Fresh eyes may see another problem

Just so annoyed I can't ride in this weather :( But his health comes first
 
Sometimes when they point the toe like he is in the last picture it can indicate heal pain, I have a horse that has a small boxy foot and I had balance issues with it a few years back, I now know the farrier I was using was not cutting the toes back short enough either, I have a different farrier do him now and he says the key is keeping the toes shorter and he has been fine ever since, he is done between 5 and 6 weeks and no longer as I know when the toes get long thats when the trouble starts.
 
Another quick update - The X-Rays are back and I was thinking the worst!

The vet who took the x-rays phoned and told me the following:

He has two deep pockets of bruising in his hoof which is causing his mild lameness; these are going to take a little while to come out but he will be sound afterwards.

He also has very mild arthritis of the coffin bone (not ringbone or navicular like I was dreading!) due to wear and tear and his age.

Overall I'm thankful that it's nothing more sinister lurking in there and I will do everything I can to help manage his arthritis; so if anyone has any tips on supplements and management, please feel free to share!

Thanks HHOers x
 
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