Hoof wall bruises all 4 feet

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Does anyone have any thoughts on what might cause an area of bruising on each side of the heel/quarters on all 4 hooves? I'll try to get some pics later, but basically there's more or less an area about 2/3 - 3/4 of the way down the hoof (so from an event about 8 months ago?), towards the heel of all 4 feet. This is my injured 3 yr old, who has done nothing but in-hand, has done minimal in hand road work. She normally lives on a mix of surfaces including a yard with good fine agregate standing, a small area of concrete, a turnout with good footing, ditto a track, and turnout on grass through the summer. I've now owned her just under 18 months. She has flat "splatty" feet with thin soles and can't seem to grow any heel. She lands toe first/flat and is footy on stones. She's been completely off grass since stifle injury op in october, but has been incredibly footy over the last couple of months - she's been in boots with pads for several weeks (and showing heel first landing in the boots). The footiness was previously only "ouchiness" over stones, even when she was out at grass last summer, it's become much worse since she's been confined on box/small pen rest these last 4 months.
Anyway, I didn't notice the bruising until recently, as it's grown down from under the periople and general crud into a pale area of her hooves. I'm not aware of any event or trauma these bruises could tie in with..
 

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Sounds like an inflammatory response to something that happened a while ago. I agree with xrays. I would've probably have dismissed it if only 1 hoof but all 4 is a bit suss of something else.
 

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Frank would always throw bruising that I suspected was either vaccine or moxidectin related (they happened about the same time as each other each year so hard to tell which)
 

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sorry haven't had time to research your posts but is this Arrayan's daughter that had tests/operation a few months ago.

does the time of 8m fit in. If so drugs, steroids esp. can you link that?
 

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sorry haven't had time to research your posts but is this Arrayan's daughter that had tests/operation a few months ago.

does the time of 8m fit in. If so drugs, steroids esp. can you link that?
Yes, that's her. I think the bruising predates all the hoo-ha, her GA/op was mid October with a couple of sedations before that. I guess it's possible, although I assumed it was longer ago than that as she seems to have grown so little foot since then and the bruising is well down. She's home from rehab as of today:eek: and just settling in as best she can given the gale that's currently going on. Once everything calms down, I'll get some pics. Vet is back in a month, I'm going to ask for bloods and discuss Xrays if the footiness is still ongoing.
 

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My big mare got a barbed wire cut on her coronet band around October and it is now about 2 inches down her hoof - its a very obvious mark. So yours could well be the GA and drugs perhaps? My mare grows hoof well even allowing for winter slow down
 

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Yes, that's her. I think the bruising predates all the hoo-ha, her GA/op was mid October with a couple of sedations before that. I guess it's possible, although I assumed it was longer ago than that as she seems to have grown so little foot since then and the bruising is well down. She's home from rehab as of today:eek: and just settling in as best she can given the gale that's currently going on. Once everything calms down, I'll get some pics. Vet is back in a month, I'm going to ask for bloods and discuss Xrays if the footiness is still ongoing.


Was she slung by her feet under GA to get her into the operating table and into the recovery room? It might be deep bruising left by the strops they use?
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Was she slung by her feet under GA to get her into the operating table and into the recovery room? It might be deep bruising left by the strops they use?
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that is a very good point.
are you sure you haven't got 2 problems here ie the bruising and, completely separate, the footiness?

you said she was footy on stones before which is understandable for a horse whose feet have not been fully conditioned yet.

then you said

t's become much worse since she's been confined on box/small pen rest these last 4 months.

those are hardly good conditions for barefeet (obviously you had no choice)
It is surprising she is footy?

don't suppose you took pics before the op ie before any drugs you can compare them with?
 

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that is a very good point.
are you sure you haven't got 2 problems here ie the bruising and, completely separate, the footiness?

you said she was footy on stones before which is understandable for a horse whose feet have not been fully conditioned yet.

then you said

t's become much worse since she's been confined on box/small pen rest these last 4 months.

those are hardly good conditions for barefeet (obviously you had no choice)
It is surprising she is footy?

don't suppose you took pics before the op ie before any drugs you can compare them with?

Some really good thoughts on here. I wonder if slinging by the feet could be it? And she's grown more foot than I thought?? I might give the hospital a call to ask if that's what they do, I hadn't thought of that possibility.
Absolutely I agree that confinement is bad for feet and foot function, it's been a horrible time. I assume fluid pools in the feet causing pain which then makes the horse even less willing to move /move correctly.
I think I DO have two problems, possibly more - sensitivity on stones, poor hoof development/caudal weakness (possibly NPA?), unexplained bruising. I have an Equibiome test on it's way to see if any gut issues show up on it, as I suspect something metabolic going on.
I don't have pics from before the op, but shapewise I don't think they've changed and there are no big event lines.

Buy a youngster, I thought. Nice and uncomplicated, I thought :rolleyes:
 

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Some really good thoughts on here. I wonder if slinging by the feet could be it?

I have had a look at some photos and if she was slung by the feet, (it seems the normal way to get them onto the table and off the table into the recovery room) , and the pull of the coffin bone downwards into the narrower part of the hoof capsule would produce bruising exactly where you describe, deep inside from the bone pressing on the inside of the hoof capsule, and could take some time to appear.
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I have had a look at some photos and if she was slung by the feet, (it seems the normal way to get them onto the table and off the table into the recovery room) , and the pull of the coffin bone downwards into the narrower part of the hoof capsule would produce bruising exactly where you describe, deep inside from the bone pressing on the inside of the hoof capsule, and could take some time to appear.
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Looking at this, and doing a bit of research, I think the great hive mind of H+H has solved the bruising question. I don't think it makes sense for it to be anything else, and she's obviously grown a bit more more foot than I thought. Thank you all, especialy ycbm!
 

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It can be surprising how much hoof they can put down when you're expecting it to slow down! Mine have been going gangbusters despite the season!
 

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I have had a look at some photos and if she was slung by the feet, (it seems the normal way to get them onto the table and off the table into the recovery room) , and the pull of the coffin bone downwards into the narrower part of the hoof capsule would produce bruising exactly where you describe, deep inside from the bone pressing on the inside of the hoof capsule, and could take some time to appear.
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I had never considered this. Everyday a school day here :)

LC if you add this ie above to the drugs to GA plus no doubt antibiotics and esp. steroids you have a cocktail of things that could have caused problems.

Could the sore feet be any form of LGL? from drugs.
 
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