Horse backing livery not going well!

Shell happily lunge with tack, long rein etc... No issues tacking up either.

You are are on the right lines @ Pandora although I haven't said the full story of what's happened from when I got her to now as its too long so you have jumped to slight assumptions. I have been in contact with the old owner at least weekly. She does very much care but has yet to actually show me any evidence of her being ridden apart from speaking to the lady who she said broke her in.
 
loverly said:
Shell happily lunge with tack, long rein etc... No issues tacking up either.

You are are on the right lines @ Pandora although I haven't said the full story of what's happened from when I got her to now as its too long so you have jumped to slight assumptions. I have been in contact with the old owner at least weekly. She does very much care but has yet to actually show me any evidence of her being ridden apart from speaking to the lady who she said broke her in.
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I don't know the full story but I know what has been said by you. To be fair, I don't have a single photo of my mare doing anything this year. I'm far more focused on working with her and others working on her than happy snapping, so there may not be this kind of proof. But if she's accepting of tack then I expect she hasn't lied and that you hugely rushed things and not handled correctly.

Personally I think that there is a mental block quite possibly with physical damage. She has been through a horrendous accident that probably would've damaged the easiest horse out there.

You need a vet (asap and don't work her any more until then), then based on the outcome of that - if nothing physical - you probably need to turn away and then get someone experienced to help while being honest with her past or send to a good trainer with honesty and then get a good instructer or where she gets backed to work with you after. (The latter if I were you).

Remove her from where she is though, very worring that sedalin was suggested.
 
loverly said:
My current horse has had serious bucking issues in the school so has been sent away to be backed/schooled. She's always been fine out hacking and only 4. The second yard owner is horsey so will help as much or as little as I need. But I know I get on well with people at the first yard.
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???

Good hacking for you? or old owner.
Thought old owner had only simply backed?

Either way had I known what I knew now I wouldn't have said the second yard.


loverly said:
I don't need the extra facilities but it's really nice to have them and have good friends there. I'm also thinking of putting a mare into foal next spring and the first yard wouldn't be practical for doing that.

Which yard would you choose?
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Yes you do need the facilities, she's a baby who needs somewhere controlled to work with her and instructer

I also see you're planning on putting her in foal next year. Please don't breed from her. Poor thing.

And if another one, do you honestly have the experience? If not don't do it. There are plenty of amazing breeders and great foals out there already.
 
Loverly - please be very careful with her once she's back with you. Don't be tempted to get on her, I am quite worried that you will be badly injured.

I don't think that you are awful at all. If you didn't care about her, you wouldn't be posting on here looking for advice on how to help her.
 
Loverly it's important no one tries toget on this horse again before before its had a full work up and the vet would be greatly helped by seeing that video clip.
Stay safe and make sure everyone else stays safe.
 
There is something wrong with this horse (physical or mentally).
Remove it from the breaking yard to avoid inflicting any more discomfort or pain to this horse.
Get a referral from your vet to take it to a specialist equine hospital for a full work out and if required x rays and scans.
Then once you have a proper diagnosis you can decide on the way forward.
 
Sounds like the accident has freaked her out and she may well have physical injuries too, I would defo consult the vet but would have a chat with them about turning her away for a while anyway at some point whether it is after treatment or before... I think she probably needs to 'forget' about her experience of being ridden and if only 4 she may need time to mature anyway.

When and if you do come to getting her backed I would go very very slowly... The idea of sedating a horse is pretty crazy as it is clearly not ready to have someone on board whatever the reason.

Good luck with her!
 
loverly said:
Its not this mare I am putting in foal!

If she needs turning away, yard 1 is not suitable but if not its ideal.

Apologies I wrote that wrong, she's fine to longrein, lead from another out hacking
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Um, hate to be pedantic but it clearly is this mare you're contemplating breeding. Your previous posts make it quite clear that it is this mare you are considering breeding next spring.....

loverly said:
As title...

I know very little about colour genetics and having looked on the colour calculator I am no more the wiser!

So my mare was (apparently) born bay and is now a lovely iron grey.

I'm considering breeding her next spring (she's the mare who I had a bit of bashing about). Before anyone jumps to conclusions - she is absolutely fine, I have seeked help from a experienced rider/trainer and the vet sees no reason not to put her in foal as we believe her issue is not due to a physical or psychological problem - just been badly broken in previously which has left trust issues.

As shes grey does this mean that the foal WILL be grey even if the stallion is homoygzous (sp?)?
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So why now say it isn't this mare you meant? You need to be honest about your plans for her. I haven't seen her so cannot comment on her suitability as a potential broodmare but there are a couple of factors you need to consider before going down this route with her. Firstly, if she's 4 now and you plan to cover her next season when she's turned 5 it means that she'll be out of work for at least 18 months from when she catches. This will bring her up to almost 7. At this point, what would her future be? She'd be a unrideable 7 year old. Not a great place for her to be. And you'd have the foal to consider. Would you keep it? And if so, could you raise and educate a youngster? And still have time for the mare? Or would you plan to keep the foal and move the mare on? And if so, to what sort of home? As a broodmare? A project horse or companion? And if you sold the foal and kept the mare, you'd still be in the same boat as now - only with a 7 year old mare. Again, not a great place to be.

Personally, in your shoes, I would try to sort the mare out and get some education under her belt before even remotely considering breeding her - even if you do have the time, money and experience to keep two horses and produce a horse from birth. This mare obviously has issues right now and she needs to be sorted out quickly, if she is going to have any sort of viable future. If, in all honesty, you don't have the time, experience or patience to invest in her right now you should let her go to someone who does and then get yourself a more suitable riding horse that you can enjoy and not be afraid of.

Your next move, regardless of your long term plans, is to speak to the schooling yard she is at now to ask them to stop working with her and for you to arrange for her to be thoroughly investigated by a suitably experienced veterinary establishment. Only then will you really be able to make decisions about her furture.
 
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Have you told the trainer not to get back on the horse.

Also is this all actually true, as it seems all a bit odd tbh...
 
And a perfect example of why you need to keep your stories straight. Ok I don't really keep tabs because it seems like too much work but am thankful that the forum Sleuths do all the investigating!

Terri
 
Fools breed horses for wise men to buy.

Please don't breed this mare. Don't do anything. Get the vet. If there is nothing wrong with her physically consider her future. It looks bleak to me in this climate.

Bloody lovely looking mare as well. What a shame.
 
If one can afford to breed a foal, then a vet work up to ascertain her problems is also financially achievable.
I'd take her back from the training....trying to mount any sedated horse would be dangerous, never mind one with issues.
Get a full work up by the vet.
At the moment you've no idea of the cause of her problems....some could pose risks to carrying a foal or be passed on. Don't breed from her.
She could have a fracture on her wither or anything. Persisting in training could render her completely unridable due to memories of pain....
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
And a perfect example of why you need to keep your stories straight. Ok I don't really keep tabs because it seems like too much work but am thankful that the forum Sleuths do all the investigating!

Terri
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All hail the CSI:HHO team :D

Loverly - I have nothing to add to all the good advice I have read on this thread, only the hope that working with your vet you can find the cause of her issues and get her right and happy. I would concentrate on that now, there are years to think about breeding from her and you will get to know her true character first. Youngsters are bloomin expensive...

Ets - would have HUGE misgivings about someone riding a sedated horse - did they, or did they just ask if they could?
 
id get a vet check up done asap! see whats going on either physically or mentally.
you not got a leg to stand on really if you go to court as you bought the horse unridden and without a vet check.
my yard owner bought a horse and cause he bought it unridden he didnt win any compensation from the owner when found to have kissing spines and it was being sold as a eventer!
this horse seems in serious pain and needs to be checked out and sorted, dont waste your money putting her in foal when she could have possible injuries, use the money to get a vet to her.
 
amymay said:
So have you told the trainer that she's with to stop working her?
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I'll ask again for you amymay, you seem to be being ignored...

TashyTinsel said:
This thread and past ones about this horse make me feel sad.

Stop this trainer working with your horse now, forget about suing anyone and get your horse seen by a vet.
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equine vet to do a full lameness workup would seem to be the best thing to do for this mare, then you know what you are dealing with a bit more.
I 100% wouldn't breed from her, but I really dislike people breeding from unproved/lame/bad tempered/can't do anything else with, ( take your pick ),mares anyway.
Kx
 
DCP. I'd love to call troll as I don't see a happy ending for this horse.

But unfortunately the video, photos and stories point more to someone who simply has taken on far too much and is blindly running into more mistakes which will probably see a worse incident down the line for owner, rider or horse.

I think the story change is simply to avoid more people saying that even more mistakes are being made and not to put into foal. So silly to be putting anything into foal if you aren't a breeder or are planning on keeping it with people who know what they're doing.

I think loverly will be back here next year with a foal who is causing huge problems and no mum...
 
Dizzy Christmas Pud said:
Im with amymay- its all sounding a bit fishy. Stories changing regularly. Nothin makes sense or follows on.
Don't want to be the first to say the T word tho!
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I fear the t word is not applicable .
I fear for this poor horse is in this situation.
Poor horse a danger to itself and the humans around it.
If you can't pay for a work up why oh why take on a horse with out insuring it on day one , why have a horse with no plan for quick transport to the vets if you need it.
 
Breeding from a mare with such severe problems and of unknown cause is very irresponsible imo. Spend the time and money helping the mare, she could be in constant pain.
 
Yes, but it seems in previous threads it was this mare... :confused: It is all very confusing tbh and I haven't read the historical threads.

I just wanted to make the point. Felt compelled actually. lol
 
I remember reading a post from OP saying it was her friend's horse she wanted to put into foal and something about it bring injured but fit to fOal..
 
Just because a mare is fit enough to carry a foal DOESN'T mean they should carry one.

Again if OP has run out of funds after a couple of weeks breaking livery (£300/£400 at a guess) didn't have funds to do a £250 vetting on a new horse - how will they cope with the costs of a covering/ foaling then the 5 plus years of care before the foal is ready to get out and have fun with ! (that's assuming it all goes to plan!)
 
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