Horse backing livery not going well!

I was alerted to the possibility by Spyda's post 75 on this thread with a copied post from loverly. If I am am wrong I apologise to loverly but I stand by the principle.
 
Agree polos mum... Not to mention she's already said she can't afford to pay livery for one not working.

Regardless of which horse is going into foal, there is quite clearly a lack of knowledge and funds. So why breed at all :(

Plenty of great horses out there already with experienced breeders.
 
So, op any updates today? Have you arranged for horse to come home and workups?

I have been given the name of someone who can help you in the future, once the horse has been given a clean bill of health (proof will be required), and a period of rest. PM me if you would like more info.
 
I'm defintely under the impression it is the grey mare being discussed in this post that the OP has posted about breeding from, previously. Unless, of course, she has more than one 4 year old grey TB mare that has sustained an injury falling down a slope??? To those that question this, just read back through the OP previous posts about breeding; this one in particular (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=574363). An earlier post regarding this mare also expresses concerns about her being parrot mouthed (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=561969).

Please OP, don't breed from her. It isn't the cheapest route (I speak from experience) and you'd be better off investing your money in the mare you've already got. :)
 
charlie76 said:
I know of a horse who does exactly what you are describing. He did go to the vets for back, hock etc x rays but they showed nothing. Horse continued to be dangerous, back to the vets for more tests. He had actually fractured his sternum exactly where the girth is. He was fine if you has a loose girth but the second you girthed up or attempTed to mount up he would take of like a rodeo horse
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I do often wonder if this is what is wrong with my horse, who despite kissing spine surgery, has continued to react in such a way to the girth. If you ride with it hanging loose and get a leg up he's fine, but obviously you can't do this! What was the outcome for this horse? I have had to retire my boy. :(
 
Wagtail, I had the horse on livery for a week to school, he had a lot of remembered pain and the first day I lunged him without a roller or saddle and he was fine. The owner had come off him a lot and was understandably scared of him.
I then attempted a roller, I did it up fairly tight as I felt it slipping would be worse, he took off like a rodeo bull. The owner at this point would stop as she was scared but I didn't, I carried on sending him forward and he went through the bucking and settled and was fine. I then swapped to the saddle and the same thing happened but again I lunged through it and he settled again. The next day he was fine from the off.
I also put the saddle on and off several times a day, not always moving him, just to get him accepting it, this horse would rear and buck in the stable when tacked up. If you led him girthrr up he would explode.
Day three I lunged him and then sat on him, got on and off a few times and he was fine.
Day four I lunged him and sat on him and rode him in walk and trot on the lunge.
By the end of the week he was being ridden in al three paces with no problems.
He then went home, I gave the owner detailed instructions but he knew she was scared and he reverted once home. I went to the yard to lunge him and he was back t being naughty but it only took a few minutes to get him settled.
The owner, however, simply no longer trusts him and he feels her lack of confidence and he gets worried .
It's a shame as he came right so quickly, I am sure he could be turned around in aa short time with a confident person. If anyone is looking for a project then let me know as he is super smart, lovely to ride and has a serious jump, she wants him gone.
 
Everyone please continue to scrutinise every word I have said on this forum!

The livery where I have kept her costs all in all £90 per week. If you read my opening post on this thread, then you will read that I have found a yard nearby I can keep her in, but obviously some haven't read that.

Yes I did ponder about breeding from her, as the vet who came out to see her after the incident did not see a problem with this, since then I have been offered a mare to breed from.


I will also say that NO ONE on here knows the full story, my experience etc.. as like I have said, I am happy for people to PM me personally.

I have not once said I think someone is unexperienced, stupid or any other words that implies this to any comment I disagree with. I came on this forum for decent advice, not to be shot down with accusations.

I have admitted where I have gone wrong, yet people still want to have a go.

Thankyou to the people who have PM'd me genuine messages.

I will not be replying to this thread anymore - I have had enough of this as I do not need to explain every word I have ever said on this forum.
 
Id have her fully checked over.
As in FULLY!

Old owner may be telling the truth.
Horse may have a physical problem.
Horse may be traumatised mentally from something.

It a professional can't get a result them it seems something is going on.

If its mental not physical how about turning her away for a while?
Then start a fresh.
Gain her trust then lots of ground work.

You haven't had horse long really.
 
charlie76 said:
Wagtail, I had the horse on livery for a week to school, he had a lot of remembered pain and the first day I lunged him without a roller or saddle and he was fine. The owner had come off him a lot and was understandably scared of him.
I then attempted a roller, I did it up fairly tight as I felt it slipping would be worse, he took off like a rodeo bull. The owner at this point would stop as she was scared but I didn't, I carried on sending him forward and he went through the bucking and settled and was fine. I then swapped to the saddle and the same thing happened but again I lunged through it and he settled again. The next day he was fine from the off.
I also put the saddle on and off several times a day, not always moving him, just to get him accepting it, this horse would rear and buck in the stable when tacked up. If you led him girthrr up he would explode.
Day three I lunged him and then sat on him, got on and off a few times and he was fine.
Day four I lunged him and sat on him and rode him in walk and trot on the lunge.
By the end of the week he was being ridden in al three paces with no problems.
He then went home, I gave the owner detailed instructions but he knew she was scared and he reverted once home. I went to the yard to lunge him and he was back t being naughty but it only took a few minutes to get him settled.
The owner, however, simply no longer trusts him and he feels her lack of confidence and he gets worried .
It's a shame as he came right so quickly, I am sure he could be turned around in aa short time with a confident person. If anyone is looking for a project then let me know as he is super smart, lovely to ride and has a serious jump, she wants him gone.
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Thanks for that. It does sound exactly like my horse. I can push him through it and he works really well. He can go several weeks without freaking out and then it all starts again out of nowhere. I decided that I woud be silly to risk him exploding and possibly badly injuring me our of the blue when I least expect it. I cannot afford to be injured having to run my yard without staff or backup. But reading what you've written does make me tempted to try again with him. I don't think I will though.
 
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