Horse Bleeding from Hoof Frog in the rear legs

[hfateel]

Hi All,
I have my horse is bleeding from the rear hoof exactly at the frog from one leg and sometimes from both legs, but today I have him bleeding a lot more.
I though that it might be thrush and I used iodine with blue cooper sulfate as a treatment for a week from now. Although the hoof becomes more clean from thrush and bacterial, but it is still bleeding at the frog. The pictures attached indicates the problem.

Note that the horse is kept at a sandy surface, but whenever he is out for was kept on a hard surface and there where the bloods starts coming out.
The horse is at rest due to summer and at air conditioned place with a daily care. He is taking hoof care supplement as well since a month from now.
he is walking normally at the stable, but he didn't allow me to treat him today due to a lot of blood out.

Any idea, any suggestion to help him out? I feel his pain and I can't keep him just without care. The Veterinary services here at our country is very poor with almost no equipment.

 

[AmyMay]

Have you had a vet to see him?

 

[Shay]

Looks like deep sulcus thrush - I'm battling the same but it isn't severe enough to bleed. If that is what it is then it can be a real battle to resolve because the infection is so deep within the hoof.

AmyMay is right about having a vet check him. A forum is no place for a diagnosis. If the vet confirms then come back on here and look for reccommended thrush treatments - although your vet might have a preferred solution.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Where are you? Ideally the horse needs a vet to look at him but I understand that might be difficult. Can you get a good farrier to have a look? I have never had such serious thrush but I have had good results of clearing up hoof infections with tea-tree oil spray, which again you might not be able to get easily but you could probably mix tea-tree oil with a mild carrier oil and apply it. I would think that the sandy is abrasive and making matters worse.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

It must be very difficult having poor veterinary services where you live. Can they give you any help at all or are you essentially on your own with this issue?

ETA - I wonder if treating the thrush and then applying dry poultices to protect the hooves from the sand and hard surfaces? I don't know if anyone else thinks that is worth trying?

Maybe just baby nappies with a bit of vet wrap to hold them on and then some gaffer/duct tape on the bottom so they don't wear through straight away?

 

[ycbm]

I'm sorry you are having these problems without any vet support.

If you are repeatedly putting copper sulphate into a hole deep enough to have got to live tissue then you are eating his foot away with it. Stop immediately. If you did it recently, wash it out.

If you can get it delivered to your country, then I would suggest that you buy Red Horse Hoof Stuff mail order and bung the hole full of that.

If you can't get that, then Stockholm tar on a wad of cotton wool would be my next choice.
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[FFAQ]

The central sulcus doesn't look deep to me! There's that crevice running parallel to the collateral groove which i agree is likely to be harboring thrush. OP, the tone of your post suggests this has been going on for some time? If it's bleeding, the frog is thin in that area of course, but if it had been trimmed too hard it should grow back. If the frog coreum has been damaged somehow then it's likely the frog would grow abnormally or be quite thin in the area of the damage.
I'm another fan of Red Horse products!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Have you had a vet to see him?

The OP is obviously not in UK, or even somewhere where veterinary services are easy to obtain.

 

[hfateel]

We are located in Bahrain, we do have Vet services but with limited capacities. Vet are working either from home or from a small office, and the best of them has a small facility full of horses with a long list for treatment. I can get some items from the VET pharmacy and supplement shops here as we have plenty of products.

 

[hfateel]

I thought in the past it was due to exercises, he might walk over some stones and aggregate, I keep him in a rest, and then he becomes OK. but this time is the worst, when I look deeply and i keep searching in the internet, I found that it is most probably to be the thrush. but again, I'm not yet sure until someone has experience can tell me in order to get the correct and proper treatment.

 

[ycbm]

As a last resort a medicated zinc oxide based nappy cream is often very effective. Sold as Sudocrem in this country.
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[Pearlsacarolsinger]

We are located in Bahrain, we do have Vet services but with limited capacities. Vet are working either from home or from a small office, and the best of them has a small facility full of horses with a long list for treatment. I can get some items from the VET pharmacy and supplement shops here as we have plenty of products.

In that case I would email/phone the vet with your photos and ask for help.

 

[PapaverFollis]

I would try and get a zinc oxide paste like Sudocrem of some kind if you can't get Red Horse Products delivered.

 

[Reacher]

Until you can get veterinary advice I would suggest soaking in salt water
“A really bad case of thrush that invades the inner tissues of the foot must be treated like a puncture wound. The footshould be soaked daily in a warm saltwater solution for 20 to 30 minutes, after trimming away infected areas of the frog and opening them up for draining”

Edited to add if sand is getting into the live tissue it will make it worse so I would try and clean it out and bandage up the hoof with a dry poultice (such as a baby nappy) to keep the sand out.

Definitely stop using the copper sulphate

 

[ester]

Are you able to get the ingredients for 'Pete's goo' out there?

http://www.hoofrehab.com/Thrush_treatment.htm
This is a big switch for me -- for almost 20 years I used a 50/50 mixture of generic Bacitracin Cream or Neosporin Plus Pain and human Athletes Foot Cream (1% Clotrimazole). I have cured thousands of deep thrush cases with it, but am now shying away from the antibiotic cream in favor of antiseptics because of concerns about creating antibiotic-resistant bacteria strains.

We can't get the antibiotic bits over the shelf here.

I see on the link he also mentions desert thrush.