Horse bought not as described...............

Or that they found the same problem and decided to move it on, I feel so sorry for this poor horse, just hope that the next move is to a competent home who have the time and patience to work though the issues.
 
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over £4k is an expensive experience though!(Glads its not my money!)
It is def coming across as being a g*t!

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Has the owner written to the person she brought off? If she wanted to go the small claims route then that's the first thing you have to do.

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Although some people are very misguided IMO when desbribing their horse.

I went to see a horse last year with a client. We needed one that was suitable for a novice/nervous rider. Went to a dealer who has a very good reputation. I rode the horse first. I asked it to canter and it went off on the wrong lead. Fine I though, not really a problem. So quietly asked again. It put in an ENORMOUS fly buck leap into canter! I pulled up and immediately got off and handed it back. The dealer said, oh are you worried about the buck, it's only because it went off on the wrong lead the previous time. I turned around and said, well if it has that reaction it makes it unsuitable for a novice or nervous rider. I mean good greif!!!
 
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Horses don't change from being good as gold to lunatics for no reason.

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But there are plenty of potential 'reasons' ::-

- New yard
- New rider
- Poorly fitted tack
- Different feed
- Change of stabling / turnout regime

The list is endless....
 
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Absolutely. Hopefully your friend will take someone with her next time, and learn from this dreadful experience. I think it's very sad for her, and the horse.
 
Quite.... That is exactly the point I was making.....

I was telling her to try and work out why the horse had changed it's behiour and not just to write it off as a lunatic and to get the horse checked out.
 
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These people were pretty knowledgeable TBH- the seller said that she events a lot and they def weren't wallys!

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Doesn't make them good owners just because they event though - some of the people I've met who are able horsepeople treat their horses like c**p!
 
Another thing to add- the horse isn't 'mad or loony', it just has 'an issue' when asked to go passed or away from the gate or other horses.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but have to say, £4k wouldn't be a ridiculous price for a 100% well behaved, good allrounder suitable for a novice, we paid almost that recently for a good allrounder but she does have her quirks (can also be nappy, again never showed that in previous home but wasn't really hacked out that much there), can be spooky, fairly 'onward bound' at times....so not suitable for a proper novice! Would imagine you might have to compromise on something, as a genuinely good alrounder who is also suitable for a novice is like gold dust around here (we were looking for exactly that recently!)

However, the level of napping you are describing does sound excessive! Did the new owner hack the horse out at previous yard? You might have said this before, sorry...post getting long now. Does sound fishy that the horse wasn't with previous owner long....did they say why they were selling?

ETS when I say a good price for that, we have found round here that to find another like my boy who is RC team level in most disciplines, juststarting BSJA etc but probably not scopey enough to go much beyond lowest levels, but is not a straightforward ride, i'd struggle to find anything that didn't need quite a lot of work for less than £4k!
 
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I consider myslef pretty experienced - however would not put myself in the same catagory as someone like vicijp say, or PG etc.

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Ive been reading this post with GREAT interest. As nearly everyone on here knows ive been through pretty much exactly what your friend is going through with this horse. However i do consider myself a strong and decent rider. I know that might sound big headed to some people on here, but ive been reading since i was 3 and have trained with a lot of top riders, i also have my AI.

About 4 months ago i brought my 'future dressage star'. He was a saint when i tried him out, i rode him in an indoor and hacked him and he didnt do anything wrong. He passed the 5 stage vetting with flying colours and my vet said he was the lovliest horse he'd vetted in ages.

I got him home, went to get on him, had one foot in the stirrup and he bronked down the arena, i bailed out as i feared he was going to jump the fence.

For a week i lunged him, he got turned out daily and i completly cut out his feed apart from hay. Then after a week i got on him, he immediately tensed up and as soon as another horse came in the arena with him he totally flipped out and proceeded to bronk and p!ss off with me. Because i was already in the saddle i stayed on happily, whereas before i hadnt even had the chance to get on properly.

2months down the line and ALOT of hardwork later he then started napping badly, he'd rear/spin/stop dead/refuse to move/go backwards/drop his shoulder. I then changed trainers and went to one of the top dressage riders in this country. He has helped me loads. My horse still naps, and he always will, i know its not something that will ever go away, however my horse now knows he wont get away with it, so gives in easily now.

I can only hack him out in company still (5months down the line) and he naps even in company out hacking. However he is now going out and competing every weekend. Sometimes he naps, sometimes hes an angel.

hes only 5, rising 6 and i know that hes going to go to the top in dressage(why i brought him) which is why im prepared to put up with this.

His owner refused to have him back anyways, but im glad i kept him. hes taught me a lot.

i think my point is that if you friend isnt strong enough to cope with the napping you have to get rid of the horse asap as there is no point in her having it if shes not confident to deal with his problems.

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Pariessene Girl- Thanks for that info and I too have been through a nightmare with a horse that I bought for myself but I knew what I was buying and I knew I could deal with it but this person was told that they were buying a safe allrounder and its not.

I know it sounds big headed to say that you are experienced but I have my BHSI and it tried its damn best to bury me!

Welldone for persevering with yours- hes v. nice!
 
PG that was my point - a nappy horse needs a strong rider to 'cure' it. Or atleast deal with it. Ty does it a bit but I couldn't handle rearing or bucking on the road and would know I'd been beaten!

If she wants a novice horse she needs to get rid of this one (if the change isn't attributable to any of the things that Amymay suggested) and get another horse.

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yes, and my horse has tried its damn best to bury a grand prix rider too!!!!!

this is why you friend needs to get rid of this horse asap. The owners wont have it back i can garentee you that, so just stick it up on problem horses and get what you can for it. Unless you are willing to sort it out for her and then sell it on.

All horses are sortable, time just needs to be taken to sort them out in the first place.
 
What part of "too bouncy" sounds like a novice ride?!
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I don't really have anything to add.
However I sold my mare as a good allrounder suitable for a novice, simply because she was a straightforward ride, no habits of bucking/rearing, confidence giver etc.
However at one point during the winter we went through a short phase [brought on I believe by too much feed, not enough exercise] of her being very nappy, spooky, and bucking me off. It lasted a couple of weeks, I rode her through it and she was absolutely fine afterwards, right back to being a perfect safe horse. When I sold her, I sold her as a safe horse, suitable for a [confident] novice - as she didn't take much skill, but needed someone to be firm and not let her take the pee. I didn't lie, if asked if she bucked I said she had, but not as a habit - however I wouldn't go out of my way to tell people if they didn't ask.

I guess my only point is that any horse has the potential for acting out of character in a change in circumstance or rider. However it sounds a bit suspect but I'm not really sure there's anything she can do about it.

Sounds like a quality animal, so if she can get a professional to school it on and sell it, she might not lose out.
 
I agree it can take time to get a horse right when you buy it..I went to look at the DalesX mare I have now, was assured she was safe, suitable for a novice if that is what was needed, and a bit of a plod that was showing ability to jump..she was a total plod in the filed but we didn't ride her as she wasn't anything like fit and didn't have tack that fitted either

I managed to get her on trial and she was seriously nappy, I managed to get the number of the girl who had actually been riding her for the owner who said that she would hack out alone..but you needed spurs and a stick and to be prepared to use them(!)

We persisted, and she is fabulous now and has started her dressage/working hunter/ low level showjumping/hunting career, but it has taken over a year to get her there. I should add that I didn't pay anything like £4000 for this horse and got a price reduction based on some of her issues. (we have never needed spurs either)

if you could have seen her a year ago you would have said that we were mad.

Every horse will be a little different in a new environment, the question is really whether you are prepared to work through the problems and have the confidence to do this, or whether you need something push button and ready-made...which this horse doesn't sound like
 
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However at one point during the winter we went through a short phase [brought on I believe by too much feed, not enough exercise] of her being very nappy, spooky, and bucking me off.

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God I went through a month of this then he calmed down - not much fun
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Twas a nightmare, though my fault really because she was still being fed but not really getting much work. At first it freaked me out, she kept getting funny in one particular place on a hack - but I realised I just had to stay calm and ride her through it. As I persisted she remembered I was the boss, and from that point on was much better behaved.

It was a case for me, of fighting my natural instincts to sit really quietly when she played up, and just booting her forward instead haha.
 
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Twas a nightmare, though my fault really because she was still being fed but not really getting much work. At first it freaked me out, she kept getting funny in one particular place on a hack - but I realised I just had to stay calm and ride her through it. As I persisted she remembered I was the boss, and from that point on was much better behaved.

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Yep - same as me exactly....completely my fault. Too much feed/not enough exercise. Do we ever learn?
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over £4k is an expensive experience though!(Glads its not my money!)
It is def coming across as being a g*t!

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You're friend is lucky, mine was over £10k, now THATS an expensive experiment!!!!!
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however like i said im prepared to handle my horse and i know hes got the potential to go to grand prix which is why i spent the money on him in the first place!

I do really think you friend needs to sel this horse on immediatly if the owner wont take it back, but like i wrote previously, could you not sort it out for her and then sell it on to a more capable rider?
 
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Pariessene Girl- Thanks for that info and I too have been through a nightmare with a horse that I bought for myself but I knew what I was buying and I knew I could deal with it but this person was told that they were buying a safe allrounder and its not.

I know it sounds big headed to say that you are experienced but I have my BHSI and it tried its damn best to bury me!

Welldone for persevering with yours- hes v. nice!

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Why on earth didn't she take you with her in the first place??! If you were my friend I would be pestering you for help buying a horse!

Hope she gets it sorted, for her and the horsey's sake, echo what amymay says about putting it down to experience.
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Easy. Ask the old owners to come over and demonstrate just how good and quiet the horse really is......if it behaves/misbehaves then you will have your answer!
 
what a shame, it's miserable being over horsed and not fair on the horse either. it sounds like the horse is lacking in confidence and may have been beaten in the past, how old and what breed is it?
would she consider sending it to a professional for schooling (v expensive, i know) or else get the seller to come out and demonstrate the horse to be fine
def speak to the vet again regarding running the bloods
good luck
 
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