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I am having some real problems with my wonderful Ollie at the moment and without going into detail, I am now considering a horse healer/communicator as I really want to sort things out.

I am rather sceptical towards the very hippy-ish, crystal-dangling aspect of this, so if you know of anyone with a very good professional reputation, I would love to know. Horse is in Essex but I am happy to pay for someone to travel as long as they are good.

Any recommendations much appreciated... I have never done this before and have don't really know where to begin.
 
There is a lady on e-bay called susan archer---she does it by distance- you e-mail a photo of your horse and she communicates with them and sends you the answers etc.....just done it for my horse, and she is very accurate - was very impressed actually....and its cheap too..
 
anne dee is great
i have used her loads of times always spot on
just google annedee
she does it over the phone if you are far away
i have had 3 visits and 4 phone consults
 
you go into stable on your mobile and be beside the horse
dont know how it works
but she has been accurate every time she has done mine on phone she also helped me via phone when i lost my dog
 
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ROFL thank you for that, it has actually made my day! I have images of me standing next to my horse with my mobile held up to her head, the lady on the phone saying 'Your horse is telling me to F*** off and get a qualified person in to help'
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ROFL thank you for that, it has actually made my day! I have images of me standing next to my horse with my mobile held up to her head, the lady on the phone saying 'Your horse is telling me to F*** off and get a qualified person in to help'
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PMSL.....

the woman I used needed a pic of my horse so she could see his eyes- she does some sort of telepathic link to the beastie.......strange, but her answers were very accurate and related to the one specific horse - they didnt apply to my other horses at all, so she cant have just randomly made up the answers or i would have somehow managed to make them fit, if you know what I mean?
 
What a very rude reply, be as sceptical as you please, but to suggest that the OP is using animal communicator instead of the qualified professionals is presumptious in the extreme.
 
LOL I was saying MY horse would tell ME to get a professional in. I made no comment on the original posters ideas of using this method of fixing their horse, you presume to much
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Of course I am going through all the more conventional sources as well!

I just want to keep an open mind and do everything I can to make my horse well and happy - hence considering a horse communicator. I do however think that I'd prefer a yard visit rather than something over the phone - I know some people have had great results with this but I think I am probably not open minded enough to give it a shot.

So any more suggestions of people who do yard visits? Thank you so much everyone who has answered so far, really appreciate it.
 
Don't know her name but my friend used a horse person who you sent off a lock of your horses hair and then the lady could tell things about the horse from it, like what was wrong with it. She identified that my friends horse had broken a bone in it's leg in the past, friend didn't know this but rang up old owners and it was true so she was very impressed. Several of my other friends have used this lady and are similarly impressed, I am no longer at that yard though so can't get you her number, so not much help really!
 
QUOTE: but to suggest that the OP is using animal communicator instead of the qualified professionals is presumptious in the extreme.

Why? many animal communicators ARE professionals! I have over the past 10 years corrected major misdiagnosis that have been given by 'professional'. Everything from a horse given the all clear that was later found to have a brain tumour to a horse that was diagnosed with navicular when in fact nothing was wrong with its feet. It was lame due to a sore right shoulder. 3X-rays of the feet and a chiropractor resulted in my findings being spot on, as did a milogram on a horse diagnosed with wobblers (the vet wanted to operate) that I said from the start didn't have it. That was later sorted out by a osteopath.

Yes there are many out there that aren't as good as they could be and those that specialise in certain areas. Pick on that feels right for you. Personally if I didn't do it already and needed to use one, I'd use one that is qualified, insured, can supply proven case studies, has a good rep and doesn't charge by the minute! Good luck :-)

Many animal communicators work with vets, chiropractors etc and many of these professionals seek advise from animal communicators when they can't work out what the problem is.
 
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I have over the past 10 years corrected major misdiagnosis that have been given by 'professional'. Everything from a horse given the all clear that was later found to have a brain tumour

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How did you diagnose the brain tumor? Did the horse tell you? Did a vet diagnose it later?

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to a horse that was diagnosed with navicular when in fact nothing was wrong with its feet. It was lame due to a sore right shoulder. 3X-rays of the feet and a chiropractor resulted in my findings being spot on,

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Foot lameness is usually first diagnosed with nerve blocks. If the horse was diagnosed with navicular then x-rays showed up clear, the lameness was most likely due to soft tissue injuries inside the foot, which can only be seen with MRI.

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Many animal communicators work with vets, chiropractors etc and many of these professionals seek advise from animal communicators when they can't work out what the problem is.

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Yet you have the confidence to challenge vets that their diagnoses is wrong. I agree, vets often get the diagnosis wrong, but how can you claim to know what the true diagnosis is? Vets at least have some means of vaguely finding a lot of problems, what means do you use to diagnose a problem? Do you think you read the horse's mind? Reading minds is scientifically impossible, I'm sorry to say.

OP - Stick with the vets IMO. All the professionals together can seem a bit like the blind leading the blind, but these communicators are making money out of people clutching at straws.
 
To answer you questions.firstly. The horse with the brain tumour. It had been 'quiet' and the owner was concerned so had a vet check it out, vets answer was nothing was wrong. What was described to me by the horse was the worse case of equine headaches I have ever come across, and not due to poll problems etc so I recommended the owner seek a second opinion which resulted in the finding of the tumour.

On the (not) navicular horse. The owner contacted me as she was concerned as her horse had been diagnosed with navicular by her vet. The horse described no pain whatsoever in his feet but lameness resulting from a sore shoulder. I asked what tests had been done to prove the navicular, apparently none were. So I recommded she seek a second opinion as I didn't feel from what had been said by the horse that he had it. But also recommended a chiroppractor for the shoulder. The vet chose to xray, nothing to do with me that was the vets choice and the vet was happy that there was no nav. if nerve blocks were done then it wasn't mentioned. Though have to add, I have come across horses that have been fully nerve blocked and STILL been lame though nothing showed up so they are not infallable for answers anyway. However the vet in this instance gave the all clear. A chiro found the problem in the shoulder and from that day the horse was sound on all 4 hooves (the original diagnosis was nav in all 4 hooves.)

Yes vets have ways of finding where pain and other issues are, but if they don't use the right methods then it can easily be missed. Like my own mare years before I did ac that was diagnosed with having injured her hind legs when there was nothing wrogn with them and infact almost then died thanks to that diagnosis as she in fact had a tumour strangling her intestines. However as for where pain is and how bad etc no test can tell you better than a horse as they're the one feeling it. Nor is the average medical person likely to find a 'masked' pain though the horse will as again it is the one feeling the pain and where it is.

The reason I have put the medical stuff is to point out things that have been shown to be correct. I have nothing against a decent vet infact my mare would have died had it not been for a vet that gave a second correct opinion and arranged for her to be rushed to hospital for surgery. I do use vets when the need arises and always will. If my horse was led in the road injured by a car I wouldn't be asking how it felt I'd be on the mobile to the vet!

QUOTE: Do you think you read the horse's mind? Reading minds is scientifically impossible, I'm sorry to say.

So I assume this is what you think is happening or ac's claim to be happening then? This isn't what I claim to do.
In this case I also assume you have scientific proof that this can't be done?

Interestingly liverpool university have been studying ac's in lab conditions and are finding some interesting results through the brain scanning done during communication. Though haven't heard for sometime so they may well have got further with it since and lets face it science is only as good as the people behind it!

Theres no proof God exists but I'm not into religion anyway but do I know its not the case? no not until someone can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Nor does the fact someone doesn't beleive in it mean it ceases to exist.
 
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try Jackie at www.animal-insight.co.uk. She is the lady that will be chatting to Andy shortly.

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100% recommeded - bloody fabulous woman!!!!

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May I add my wholehearted recommendation for Jackie too? She has helped enormously with my dog, also friend's horses and will be talking to my horse in the not so distant future
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She is a lovely lady and very accurate indeed.
 
I forgot to ask about your personal experience of ac that enabled you to arrive at your ideas? I'm taking it you have used one (though maybe 2 or 3 is better as you might not find a good one first time) so when researching best to do it right so that you get a balanced view maybe?

As I would have thought in order to have such strong opinions about such a subject it would make sense to have researched it indepth? and obviously have the science there to prove it can't exist as you claim it can't (in a round about way).

Not trying to be diffecult just trying to understand your reasoning as it doesn't make sense to me.
 

I forgot to ask about your personal experience of ac that enabled you to arrive at your ideas? I'm taking it you have used one (though maybe 2 or 3 is better as you might not find a good one first time) so when researching best to do it right so that you get a balanced view maybe?

As I would have thought in order to have such strong opinions about such a subject it would make sense to have researched it indepth? and obviously have the science there to prove it can't exist as you claim it can't (in a round about way).

Not trying to be diffecult just trying to understand your reasoning as it doesn't make sense to me.
 
No-one has ever been able to prove it is even possible to read the minds of other humans. If it were possible no-one could ever get away with lying, there would be no need for talking and if you went out in public you would be deafened by everyone else's thoughts, (haven't you seen "what Women Want"!
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Even if it were possible to read a human's mind... To be able to read a horse's mind you
- either believe horses think in the same complex language as we do and recount it near enough word for word, which is a pretty big assumption being that it is a fact that they cannot speak the English language. Plus any question you ask a horse in English explaining to them the "Nod for Yes, Stamp for No thing" is met with no reaction whatsoever. Horses by nature want to please, if they understood the English language they would respond IMO.
- or you "see" a horse's simple thought and elaborate it into complex English. ie Make/dream a load of stuff up.

I have come across a number of Horse communicators and did use one myself. I think they are taking advantage of the fact that veterinary science has still got a long way to go and vets investigations can and do often run into many thousands of pounds and still not provide answers. There is a gap in the market for telling people whatever it is they want to hear. I really wish it were all true and possible, but common sense and life experience proves otherwise to me.
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So you have already back tracked then! you stated before that it had be proven that minds can't be read and now you say that it can't be proven they can. Then surely if people can't prove it CAN'T be done then there is always the possibility it can work! Science is now starting to catch up a bit thank goodness but is still well behind the times.

If you had researched animal communication then you would have been aware that english has nothing to do with it anyway. I've done full communications without any words at all though usually do use them. Some animal communicators never hear or use words and never have. So language as such has nothing to do with it.

Interesting to hear you stating that you were one of the people that apparently wasted their money, why do this is you are sceptical and think such people are ripping off others?

If a communicator can pinpoint a medical problem missed by a vet that then helps the horse then how can they be taking advantage as they charge a lot less too and often save horses from having major and often invasive investigations and surgery? one of the things I have worked with (with sucess) is helping vets find the area of lameness (without even meeting the horse) so they can nerve block the correct place first time. How is that taking advantage??!! sorry but your posting just doesn't make any sense and is controdictory.

Whether you beleive it or not makes no difference to whether or not it exists, in fact it doesn't even matter whether you beleive it or not and certainly doesn't bother me. To be honest the reason I replied was the point out that you hadn't done your research.

Also if its such a bad thing and everyone is wrong, rubbish etc (guessing thats how you see ac's or along those lines anyway?) then why are insurance companies willing to take the risk and why do vets use people like myself!

As for telling people what they want to hear, I don't!. Only 2 days ago I communicated with a horse that is with someone else on rehab. It told me it wanted to stay there and not go home. Did I tell the owner? yes I did. Then I looked into why this was the case so that we could help deal with the why it didn't want to return so things could be changed to make the horse feel more comfortable. Did I tell the owner there was an issue with the handling and training methods she was using and that they didn't suit the horse and make suggestions on how she could change that to help it. Yes I did. It's not a matter of telling them what they want to hear its about what their horse needs them to hear.
 
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So you have already back tracked then! you stated before that it had be proven that minds can't be read and now you say that it can't be proven they can. Then surely if people can't prove it CAN'T be done then there is always the possibility it can work!

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Yes my mistake, I thought scientists disproved it but apparently not. A bit like the whole existence of God thing
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If you had researched animal communication then you would have been aware that english has nothing to do with it anyway. I've done full communications without any words at all though usually do use them. Some animal communicators never hear or use words and never have. So language as such has nothing to do with it.

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Some communicators claim the horse has "told them XXXXX". For this to be the case of course language has something to do with it. This being the case would you suggest those communicators who do recount horse tales as direct translations are frauds?

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Interesting to hear you stating that you were one of the people that apparently wasted their money, why do this is you are sceptical and think such people are ripping off others?

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If a communicator can pinpoint a medical problem missed by a vet ....How is that taking advantage??!!

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IME they are more likely to pinpoint a convenient 'red-herring' explaination for a problem that is believed for a few weeks until the real problem presents itself. You never answered my question as to what means you have to do a better job than the vets.


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Also if its such a bad thing and everyone is wrong, rubbish etc (guessing thats how you see ac's or along those lines anyway?) then why are insurance companies willing to take the risk and why do vets use people like myself!

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Everybody's desperate for explanations which could only be found if we could read horses minds. We can't, so they all accept explanations from the next best thing, people who think they can.
 
So to answer your questions.....

I was pointing out language doesn't have to have anything to do with it. It doesn't but makes life easier. No horses can't speak english but they don't have too. What communicators hear is their own voice through subconscious translation. Through 'reading' the vibrational frequencies given off that hold info on health, feelings etc they process the info and recieve it as those frequencies that are then translated by themselves. The fact it is subconscious means they don't have to try it happens automatically. Thats why you have to understand how the mind works in the first place. At liverpool uni, they have found a differece in brain reaction to real voice (hearing it in your head/mind) and imagined voice which is proof that a voice is being heard. This is exactly what I expected them to find but my arguement is that its the subconscious interpretation made by the the communicator so is their voice they hear (as in direct way maybe of the horse using it or use using it for the horse). Very different from hearing an imagined voice which you would do if you were making it up.

On the insurance companies, if we were a high risk they would make the payments very high or would refuse to insure fullstop. They don't get or have very few insurance claims made so we are considered low risk. Why would that be?

'red herring' how is a brain tumour a red herring? how is saying a horse horse hasn't got wobblers when it hasn't a red herring? how is saying a horse hasn't got navicular a red herring? how is not seeing a horse but pinpointing 10 areas of discomfort everyone found by a vet or chiro with no others found a red herring? How is pinpointing the exact ligament/tendon etc that is the problem then proven a red herring? that just doesn't stack up?? if I was throwing things in and being found to be incorrect on the medical side fair enough but thats just not happening! 2 years ago I worked with an osteo in a well known horse hospital. They had a horse in for 3 weks and couldn't find why it was moving so badly. It showed me where the pain was and I phoned as osteo friend to come and treat it with me. He found the pain, sorted it and the horse worked out the stable able to move properly, how was that a red herring?

2 chiros and 1 vet missed a painful shoulder that was causing agression in a horse eventually the owner was able to find an osteo that could find it, the aggression went immediately it was treated, hows that a red herring?

Bottom line is no one is expecting you to beleive anything that doesn't feel comfortable to you, as I said before I don't mind whether you beleive or not! that is your choice but in order to debate on a sensible level you need to be factual. It is no good saying something doesn't exist just because you think it doesn't.

My course on ac is run by a college to date we have had 50-60 people book on many have passed the course and are now working here and america, insurance companies are willing to insure them and vets are working with them. Does this make insurance companies thick? and does it mean the vets that work with them are ignoring the fact they throw up 'red herrings' I doubt it! they work with them because they see the result.
 
On the mind reading, slightly different but connected. I recently read a report that was done during hypnosis. The subject was put under and told to leave his body and follow another man around for day and then return to his body. At the end of the day the subject was brough back round. He in fine detail was able to say where the person had been, in what shops, what he had bought and literally everythign he had done that day down to the minute. This was done in the early 1900's though their are many such cases since. And yet science hasn't caught up enough as to why and how it was done, but the proof was there as it was reporter quite literally minute to minute even who he was talking to and their names at the time it was going on. Sorry miss typed and meant to say it was relayed at the time happening not after he was brought around after.
 
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IME they are more likely to pinpoint a convenient 'red-herring' explaination for a problem that is believed for a few weeks until the real problem presents itself. You never answered my question as to what means you have to do a better job than the vets.


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No I've been talking of problems found straight about once pointed out by a communicator and are then resolved medically with no presenting problems afterwards based on 10 years of work that were proven by medical tests.

What means do I have to do a better job than vets? I've never said I can do a better job, just a different one. I also work with something called body scanning which as well as hearing from the horse about the problem enables me to mentally see the problem in the form of pictures. As well as checking through lists of anatomy of the horse which allows my nervous system to react when I reach the correct part. Another alternative way to doing it to kinesiology where your neuro musclar response changes giving an indicator change when the problem is found.
 
Not getting into the actual discussion but two points.

To be fair, no profession is perfect so to say something doesn't work sometimes is not to discount it completely. This board is full of incorrect/incomplete medical diagnoses where people suggest second opinions - does this make all vets untrustworthy or incompetent?

People have odd talents and it's hard to prove what we don't know. History is full of things people guess at/predicted, sometimes surprisingly accurately, until our science caught up with our observations.

Many very skilled horsemen clearly have a talent for understanding horses outside the norm. One could argue this is purely education and experience - and those definitely play a huge role - but usually it manifests itself in some form quite young and is developed. I have talked to many people who took such abilities for granted and didn't seem to know they were doing anything different. People talk about it all the time, just in different, socially acceptable terms. Horse whisperers have existed since recorded time - they have not traditionally been trainers, they are people who talk to horses.

Which is not to say yay or nay, just pointing out this is a conversation that's taken on an adversarial bent only relatively recently and there really is no need for it. Any sensible owner - or professional - knows the best approach to a problem is the get the most information and then sift through it, checking and rechecking until a solution is reached. People surely have the right to investigate all avenues, so long as they don't use one to the exclusion of all else and elevate faith over reason in matters of welfare?
 
Couldn't agree with you more. My equine vet says he doesn't know if homeopathy works yet doesn't disbeleive as he yet just hasn't come across the proof he needs nor has looked for it. On the logical front my vet is brilliant and has often found things in animals other vets have missed. So again a case of whatever eduation or skill you have there are varying different levels of skill so always a case of choosing someone that feels right for you.

And yes as far as different abilities go they've been around forever. I've researched alot into savants which fascinates me. Like the young kids with altism that can calendar count faster than a computer but as always out by an exact number of days when before the gregorian calendar change. Science can't prove or show how they do it but the proof is that they do! It wasn't that long ago they stopped using dowsing in french hospitals due to more updated equipment to do it for them instead.

I can't explain how a radio picks up waves broadcast through the air but sure enough when I switch it on I can hear it. Something doesn't need to be seen or make sense for it to exist.

Autumn last year I was asked to comment on radio about the fact that langford vet hospital had proven that animals can suffer from stress and depression. I read through the research which was incredibly basic and almost laughable. What they appeared to be forgetting is that science has been aware for years that animals have near enough the same neuropeptide make up that we do so of course is they have emotional chemicals in their brain and just about every organ in their body like we do of course they experience it. Personally they'd have done better going out into the horse recovery yard and watching the vice horses releasing their endorphins through stress! rather than depriving rats of food for their experiment.

They also recently researched hypoxia using different gases. The pigs only volunteered to entre the room containing nitrogen, I wasn't surprised at all as nitrogen hypoxia has been used in many slaughter houses in the USA for years so why are we only just catching on over here. It would appear UK science is a little behind! Personally I'm looking forward to the day when there are hypoxia masks for horses to give them nitrogen to put them to sleep so that they don't have to be shot or lethally injected. But again I guess we'll have to wait for science to catch up!
 
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