Horse Communicator

Kaylum said:
No and its not on both sides of this debate. Questioning if someone is registering as a business is a valid question. You are offering a service and charging for it. What happens if someone does not believe you and wants their money back how does that work. Do you need insurance for that sort of business? Just interested from a business point of view.
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i wasnt saying YOU were being sarcastic - i was responding to the earlier part of your post where you said that it's good to question and debate
 
I started reading this thread and found the first few pages interesting, then we got to the 'sceptics' section. Interesting because sceptics always start, I don't believe in … Well of course if you don't believe, by definition, you never will agree that AC works, God exists or that your mother really loved you.

A belief is something that you think may or may not be true, but you have no evidence therefore you choose to believe or deny its truth based on your preconception or somebody else's opinion. Belief is different from Knowledge or Scientific evidence, the last two are based on fact.

Many respondents on here know that AC works. There is a huge amount of scientific evidence about telepathy and even about how experimenters affect results. Rupert Sheldrake is famous for his Royal Society debate with an eminent professor many years ago: the professor denied telepathy, but could provide no evidence that it didn't work, Rupert Sheldrake produced so many experiments that proved it did, that the audience voted unanimously for him. Richard Wiseman is a famous media sceptic and when impartial parapsychology experiments are conducted by him, compared to an open-minded sceptic, his experiments will show less positive results, this is recognised as 'experimenter error'.

The research into AC is less, but one interesting university experiment was set up where an Animal Communicator did readings for ten dogs, chosen randomly from twenty and all the readings were given to the twenty owners. Nine owners correctly identified their own dog. One owner identified someone else's and missed his own, but the dog he chose was of identical breed and similar temperament.

In answer to the question about the animal that had died. This definitely makes no difference. An fMRI scan conducted as part of a university project into 'benign voice hearers' found that the animal communicator tested had activity in the same part of the brain when hearing the voice of a cat that had died as happened for the other nine animals. The part of the brain that was active was the same part that responds solely to human speech, not any other type of noise. The experimenters know that 'noise' isn't what works this part of the brain but 'verbal communication' as it also responds to sign language.

How the vocabularly emerges is more complex. Animals are like children, they use the language of the people they live with or encounter. If you swear, your child/dog/horse will swear; if you use social nicities when addressing people, so too with your child/dog/horse.

According to quantum physicists, everything that exists is connected, this includes thought. Once you think, your thought joins the universal-thought-library and can be accessed by anyone else, except that as we mature to adulthood our ability to access this thought pool gets less and less. Hence only a few people are labelled 'psychic' and of them, even fewer use it professionally. Another thing the scientists know is that the closer our physical relationship with a person or animal, the easier it is to access their thoughts.

Every thought creates a quantum hologram and all the thoughts of every living thing will exist forever in the virtual 'library'. What a medium, psychic or animal communicator does, is 'read' these quantum holograms. The brain then turns the quantum hologram into pictures, sound or feelings that the animal communicator conveys to the owner. This makes AC language independent, so a french horse can convey thoughts that a german AC can understand.

Quantum physics is an interesting, complex and confusing subject. You can use it to conduct an experiment that shows that an object is in two places simultaneously, you can even use this information to store more information on a CD, yet what the quantum physicists can't do is tell you how bi-location works - so it's a bit like electricity or animal communication, some of us just know it does and use it to add value to our lives.
 
Oh my goodness Im so very sorry to have caused all of this commotion I didnt realise things would become so intense I am keeping an open mind on the matter until hc has been Dont know what to expect but I will let you know Once again Sorry:(
 
As one of the people who has had a communication from/by naturally, I can assure you it is very very accurate. My mare has made friends with Naturally and 'goes' to have a chat with her on a regular basis :eek: It was my mare that was bugging her about the dog in the barrel, until we worked out what it was she was talking about!
There have been many other specific things with our horses that they have told naturally about: the big mare wanting to go on a tinsel ride (the best group ride my sister has been on with the mare was a christmas ride). There are almost too many things to mention, including the big mare feeling left out when sister went away for four days. There are so many things that have been true, or that we have later found out to be true, no chance of coincidence.
 
talkinghorse said:
I started reading this thread and found the first few pages interesting, then we got to the 'sceptics' section. Interesting because sceptics always start, I don't believe in … Well of course if you don't believe, by definition, you never will agree that AC works, God exists or that your mother really loved you.

A belief is something that you think may or may not be true, but you have no evidence therefore you choose to believe or deny its truth based on your preconception or somebody else's opinion. Belief is different from Knowledge or Scientific evidence, the last two are based on fact.

Many respondents on here know that AC works. There is a huge amount of scientific evidence about telepathy and even about how experimenters affect results. Rupert Sheldrake is famous for his Royal Society debate with an eminent professor many years ago: the professor denied telepathy, but could provide no evidence that it didn't work, Rupert Sheldrake produced so many experiments that proved it did, that the audience voted unanimously for him. Richard Wiseman is a famous media sceptic and when impartial parapsychology experiments are conducted by him, compared to an open-minded sceptic, his experiments will show less positive results, this is recognised as 'experimenter error'.

The research into AC is less, but one interesting university experiment was set up where an Animal Communicator did readings for ten dogs, chosen randomly from twenty and all the readings were given to the twenty owners. Nine owners correctly identified their own dog. One owner identified someone else's and missed his own, but the dog he chose was of identical breed and similar temperament.

In answer to the question about the animal that had died. This definitely makes no difference. An fMRI scan conducted as part of a university project into 'benign voice hearers' found that the animal communicator tested had activity in the same part of the brain when hearing the voice of a cat that had died as happened for the other nine animals. The part of the brain that was active was the same part that responds solely to human speech, not any other type of noise. The experimenters know that 'noise' isn't what works this part of the brain but 'verbal communication' as it also responds to sign language.

How the vocabularly emerges is more complex. Animals are like children, they use the language of the people they live with or encounter. If you swear, your child/dog/horse will swear; if you use social nicities when addressing people, so too with your child/dog/horse.

According to quantum physicists, everything that exists is connected, this includes thought. Once you think, your thought joins the universal-thought-library and can be accessed by anyone else, except that as we mature to adulthood our ability to access this thought pool gets less and less. Hence only a few people are labelled 'psychic' and of them, even fewer use it professionally. Another thing the scientists know is that the closer our physical relationship with a person or animal, the easier it is to access their thoughts.

Every thought creates a quantum hologram and all the thoughts of every living thing will exist forever in the virtual 'library'. What a medium, psychic or animal communicator does, is 'read' these quantum holograms. The brain then turns the quantum hologram into pictures, sound or feelings that the animal communicator conveys to the owner. This makes AC language independent, so a french horse can convey thoughts that a german AC can understand.

Quantum physics is an interesting, complex and confusing subject. You can use it to conduct an experiment that shows that an object is in two places simultaneously, you can even use this information to store more information on a CD, yet what the quantum physicists can't do is tell you how bi-location works - so it's a bit like electricity or animal communication, some of us just know it does and use it to add value to our lives.
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I like this post!
 
The quantum physics explanation would go some way to explaining another phenomenon, which I have personally experienced. I work with people with traumatic histories and have had the very odd experience of 'seeing' the location of the trauma (one memorable one was when I saw a structure which I likend to school wall bars, which was apparently the inside of an old waggon, with a wooden strucutre on the inside for securing loads). I do not discuss this very often as it too 'off the wall' for most people to accept, but it is very useful in my work. The meories are often unprocessed and 'stored' in the amygdela, rather than the hypocampus, but I don't hav any clue if this is relevant.
 
I always thought that ac was a lot off complete crap if I'm honest and use to have a giggle at my friends having readings on their horses BUT since having a horse with serious problems to work with and stuggling big time I thought why not what have I got to lose?? I was at my witts end. When my Reading come through I was in utter shock and couldn't believe how true the Reading was or how she could know those things.
I now get every horse I have read, out off interest and still get surprised by what I get told.
If you don't believe it try it honestly. I pay £15 a Reading.
When I was a child I dreamt that my brother when missing and the whole day was put forward in my dream down to every last detail. So when it actually came true I went alone with it all until I relised I was re living my dream. Even the people we meet were spot on. So when I told the police where my brother was I got in a lot off trouble with my mum for being in on it all. I swear on my sons life it was all true and mum still won't believe me to this day that I dreamt it all.
Strange things happen, we will probable never understand but I for one believe
 
talkinghorse said:
According to quantum physicists, everything that exists is connected, this includes thought. Once you think, your thought joins the universal-thought-library and can be accessed by anyone else, except that as we mature to adulthood our ability to access this thought pool gets less and less.
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DON'T blame the vast majority of quantum physicists for the barmy theories of a few (even if one of them DOES have a Nobel prize! And he probably wouldn't still have a job if you could easily sack Nobel prize winners when they lose their marbles!:rolleyes:)
 
JanetGeorge said:
DON'T blame the vast majority of quantum physicists for the barmy theories of a few (even if one of them DOES have a Nobel prize! And he probably wouldn't still have a job if you could easily sack Nobel prize winners when they lose their marbles!:rolleyes:)
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Not sure who you mean but I thought the concept of a quantum hologram was generally accepted by quantum physicists. Edgar Mitchell used it to explain animal communication, but Sir John Eccles used it to connect the spirit and brain. Edgar Mitchell based a 2002 study on the work of KG Wilson, who got a Nobel Prize.

Maybe the quantum hologram doesn't meet with everyone's approval, but working from the technical end, brain-computer-interfaces have been around for twenty years, thus showing that thought transfer can control computer games and prosthetic limbs.

One of my favourite stories is of a horse whose brain waves were being measured, that shows that horses understand what we say. The research was done by Anna Wise who sadly died in April, working with Linda Tellington-Jones.

This is from Anna's writing:
"I simultaneously monitored the brainwaves of Tellington-Jones and a horse she was working on, and found a high level of entrainment occurring between the horse and the trainer.

Perhaps the most startling experience that we had took place while working with a two-year-old thoroughbred mare that the owner thought was crazy. Initially, this horse had scattered brainwaves and out-of-control, high-amplitude flares. She had exceedingly strong theta and delta and not as much alpha and beta as we thought there should be, according to the other horses' brainwaves. Tellington-Jones then spent some time doing TTouch on her.

Afterward I was standing in front of a group of people talking about our discoveries and discussing this particular horse's difficulties. I explained that this horse could produce only theta and delta and was unable to produce alpha – whereupon the horse immediately produced strong alpha. When everyone laughed, I said, "O.K., but she can't produce beta." When she immediately produced beta, no one laughed, because our mouths were all open! Time prevented us from experimenting further with this particular horse. I still wonder what would have happened if I had said "O.K., but she still can't produce an awakened mind." "(p. 213 The Awakened Mind)
 
talkinghorse said:
Not sure who you mean but I thought the concept of a quantum hologram was generally accepted by quantum physicists.
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Depends on which expansion of the original theory you're talking about. Quantum holography is a method which permits the imaging of hidden objects with entangled photons. Using it to try to explain charlatans' supposed psychic ability is pseudoscientific gibberish that has NO scientific substance at all!
 
People who believe in animal communicators will always be able to find some evidence to show that elements of their experience worked. Similarly people who go to clairvoyants & believe in these people, will also provide evidence of experience that their reading was correct. There is little that anyone can say that will shake them from their belief. These practitioners will also admit that there are people involved in their activity who are conmen/women, but they themselves certainly are not. All this lends itself to giving them legitimacy. As for me I do not believe in these people but I also accept that it is a total waste of time attempting to try & change the minds of people who do. :)
 
JanetGeorge said:
Depends on which expansion of the original theory you're talking about. Quantum holography is a method which permits the imaging of hidden objects with entangled photons. Using it to try to explain charlatans' supposed psychic ability is pseudoscientific gibberish that has NO scientific substance at all!
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To be fair to Edgar Mitchell, he only used it as an explanation of how Animal Communication - translating the thought pattern of an animal by a human - might work. 'Psychic ability' is not scientifically in dispute, charlatans, however, will always occur in any service industry. I don't think EM has researched any charlatans in this or any other respect.
 
yorksG said:
There are so many things that have been true, or that we have later found out to be true, no chance of coincidence.
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Further to this, there is also the occasion when she talked about our first mare having been hobbled. This is many years ago (before we got her). She was an absolute nightmare for the farrier. He was very sympathetic towards her and explained to us that the marks on her fetlocks were caused by the farrier who shod her, just prior to delivery to us from the sales livery, using hobbles. He said that he was aware that a farrier in that area did this as a matter of course to keep horses still. It is extremely unlikely that Naturally could have known about this or that she would have guessed that any horse-owner could have been in this position.
I openly admit to having been very sceptical about ac before I heard what Naturally had to say about our horses.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Further to this, there is also the occasion when she talked about our first mare having been hobbled. This is many years ago (before we got her).
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But this is the clever thing! A so-called 'communicator' can say almost anything they like about a horse - the chances are that some of what they say IS true (purely by chance) - and horse's owner siezes upon that as PROOF that the communicator is genuine. And of course -unless the owner has had the horse ALL its life - he/she can't DISPROVE the claims.

Let's say the communicator says: 'horse is terrified of electric fence because he was badly hurt by it'! IF a communicator said that about my Ripple, I might say: 'Gee yes, she had her leg cut right through to the bone when she was a yearling, severed the extensor tendon - what a CLEVER communicator'! But in fact it could also be true of any of my other horses who respect electric fence because they've had a good zap on the nose and didn't like it at ALL! Unless I'd owned a horse from the day it was born and KNEW it had never been within a mile of electric fence, I couldn't say the communicator was wrong!
 
talkinghorse said:
To be fair to Edgar Mitchell, he only used it as an explanation of how Animal Communication - translating the thought pattern of an animal by a human - might work. 'Psychic ability' is not scientifically in dispute, charlatans, however, will always occur in any service industry. I don't think EM has researched any charlatans in this or any other respect.
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I wasn't talking about Edgar Mitchell -were you? Bless him, he IS 45% nutcase and 55% conspiracy theorist!:rolleyes:

And psychic ability at its most basic level is somethingwe all have to SOME degree - it's called ESP. And ESP can certainly be 'developed'! But the VAST majority of people who claim psychic abilities which allow them to communicate with a photo of an animal, or distance heal, or communicate with the dead,etc. are EITHER charlatans - or deluded - or both! EVERY legitimate bit of research done to test these 'abilities' disproves them.
 
JanetGeorge said:
I wasn't talking about Edgar Mitchell -were you? Bless him, he IS 45% nutcase and 55% conspiracy theorist!:rolleyes:

And psychic ability at its most basic level is somethingwe all have to SOME degree - it's called ESP. And ESP can certainly be 'developed'! But the VAST majority of people who claim psychic abilities which allow them to communicate with a photo of an animal, or distance heal, or communicate with the dead,etc. are EITHER charlatans - or deluded - or both! EVERY legitimate bit of research done to test these 'abilities' disproves them.
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So you don't believe................. so what, Just drop it. You'll never convince the believers they are wrong, and why should you they aren't doing you any harm. Just like no one will convince you that there are things that can't be guessed. So why trail this on it's already been hi-jacked from the original question.
 
JanetGeorge said:
… EVERY legitimate bit of research done to test these 'abilities' disproves them.
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I have been trying to get research information on Animal Communicators and so far only found the two I mentioned earlier - one from Bangor University and the other from Liverpool Hope. Can you point me to your sources? Actually your statement needs revising as the two I mentioned mean that not EVERY experiment negates it.

PS Apologies Chermar for dragging this further, I must have been typing as you were posting!
 
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Chermar said:
So you don't believe................. so what, Just drop it. You'll never convince the believers they are wrong, and why should you they aren't doing you any harm. Just like no one will convince you that there are things that can't be guessed. So why trail this on it's already been hi-jacked from the original question.
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Because this is a discussion forum - and I'm not trying to convince the believers - although I HOPE that I can create additional doubt in those tempted to fall for it.

And the people who peddle this nonsense can't do ME any harm - because I wouldn't let them. But I have seen real instances where they have done harm - to people and to animals.
 
I think discussions like this, while interesting and amusing :p are completely pointless.

No-one can change my mind to what I think and I wouldn't try to change other peoples mind to what they think, why bother?? What do I care, what other people do or do not believe??

I wasn't going to bother entertaining this thread, but I decided to :).

I believe in animal communication, I have seen the effects of it myself, I have seen the change in my horse and heard things said that are true. However I've also seen a ghost, with my own eyes.. standing right in front of me. I also believe that we are not alone, that there are billions of universes and ours is not the only planet to support life. I also believe that when we die it is not the end for our spirits/souls.

I think you are either open minded enough to believe in this or you are scientifically driven enough that you don't. It doesnt matter either way.

What bothers me is those that say i'm throwing away my money on charlatans.. it has nothing to do with anyone else what I do or do not spend my money on. Equally if people do not want to spend their money on this sort of thing thats fine too.

You can't 'save' other people by enforcing your views on them. If talking to an animal communicator, going to church or speaking into thin air gives someone relief, solace or anything else they may need to feel good then why on earth deny them that? Vice versa with people who find peace with knowing and proving exactly how everything is/works.

People need to be balanced with this.. and also everything can cause harm if done wrong... even methods of treating horses with strong scientific bases.

We all have different views and opinions, we are free to express them but if people don't want to listen or refuse to have you change their mind there is NO point in carrying on trying to persuade them. You're pretty much wasting your time and don't you all have lives and better things to spend your time on then arguing? Or maybe you don't?! If you don't then your lucky.

(This wasn't aimed at anyone inparticular, just the whole thread, this petty arguing in NL gets irritating). I must say some of this was interesting though, who would have thought an animal comunicator thread would have brought up quantum physics!!
 
firewell said:
I think discussions like this, while interesting and amusing :p are completely pointless.

No-one can change my mind to what I think and I wouldn't try to change other peoples mind to what they think, why bother?? What do I care, what other people do or do not believe??

I wasn't going to bother entertaining this thread, but I decided to :).

I believe in animal communication, I have seen the effects of it myself, I have seen the change in my horse and heard things said that are true. However I've also seen a ghost, with my own eyes.. standing right in front of me. I also believe that we are not alone, that there are billions of universes and ours is not the only planet to support life. I also believe that when we die it is not the end for our spirits/souls.

I think you are either open minded enough to believe in this or you are scientifically driven enough that you don't. It doesnt matter either way.

What bothers me is those that say i'm throwing away my money on charlatans.. it has nothing to do with anyone else what I do or do not spend my money on. Equally if people do not want to spend their money on this sort of thing thats fine too.

You can't 'save' other people by enforcing your views on them. If talking to an animal communicator, going to church or speaking into thin air gives someone relief, solace or anything else they may need to feel good then why on earth deny them that? Vice versa with people who find peace with knowing and proving exactly how everything is/works.

People need to be balanced with this.. and also everything can cause harm if done wrong... even methods of treating horses with strong scientific bases.

We all have different views and opinions, we are free to express them but if people don't want to listen or refuse to have you change their mind there is NO point in carrying on trying to persuade them. You're pretty much wasting your time and don't you all have lives and better things to spend your time on then arguing? Or maybe you don't?! If you don't then your lucky.

(This wasn't aimed at anyone inparticular, just the whole thread, this petty arguing in NL gets irritating). I must say some of this was interesting though, who would have thought an animal comunicator thread would have brought up quantum physics!!
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^^^this!
 
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