happyhack
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HORRIFYING
Saw the pics in the mirror today, a very sweet loking coloured cob
HORSE DROWNED BY OWNER
HORSE DROWNED BY THUG
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HORRIFYING
Saw the pics in the mirror today, a very sweet loking coloured cob
HORSE DROWNED BY OWNER
Jillian
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OMG That poor horse he must have been terrified.
eventingdiva
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How awful
B*stard man
B*stard man
emma_lg
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Absolutely terrible and disgusting...the poor horse must have been so terrified. How can that be allowed to happen and also in front of lots of people?
Very upsetting...wat a total *bleep* to do that.
Very upsetting...wat a total *bleep* to do that.
Morrigan_Lady
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I read that at lunch. I had to stop eating!!
It made me feel so angry and I would very much like to write to the organisors of this event to express my feelings on this cruel and unnessesary event.
I cant beleive it is allowed to go ahead. If it was a person that had drowned it would be completely different story, but Animals just dont seem to matter.
moocow
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this is going to sound wrong but hopefully you will know what i am trying to say. i think its absolutely horrendous that this happened and the poor animal must have been terrified but I think it was probably better off dead than have to live with an owner like that. if thats the kind of thing that he would subject the poor animal to, can you imagine what other horrors would have been on the cards.
Unforgiveable thing to do and such unnecessary suffering for the poor thing. At least the animal doesn't have to suffer any more at the hands of such a callus, cruel, ignorant human. I just hope they catch him and he is baned from owning any other animals.
Unforgiveable thing to do and such unnecessary suffering for the poor thing. At least the animal doesn't have to suffer any more at the hands of such a callus, cruel, ignorant human. I just hope they catch him and he is baned from owning any other animals.
Porkie
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I feel sick
samp
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Poor pony, what a strange tradition. At least the pony didn't suffer for very long is all I can say
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Sadly, there are idiots everywhere, and it seems the traveller community has its fair share.
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Fantasy_World
Well-Known Member
What I could do if only I had a shotgun licence! Absolute bastard of a man! Sorry very, very angry and upset to read that!
fionab
Member
Please DO write to the organisers!!!
That poor horse - from the pictures in the Daily mail today he had put the rope accross its nostrils to control it - poor thing couldn't breathe and then was thrown in water - my blood is BOILING!
In the same newspaper the Eden councillor and Chairman of the organising committee for the fair said it was 'tradition' and she had no intention of stopping horses heads being dunked.
Write her an email please at ella.langan@eden.gov.uk
I would like the fair stoped - failing that the committee should pay for at least five policemen and five rspca inspectors to be present at the riverside. SO MAD. Poor pony.
That poor horse - from the pictures in the Daily mail today he had put the rope accross its nostrils to control it - poor thing couldn't breathe and then was thrown in water - my blood is BOILING!
In the same newspaper the Eden councillor and Chairman of the organising committee for the fair said it was 'tradition' and she had no intention of stopping horses heads being dunked.
Write her an email please at ella.langan@eden.gov.uk
I would like the fair stoped - failing that the committee should pay for at least five policemen and five rspca inspectors to be present at the riverside. SO MAD. Poor pony.
k1963
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I have been campaigning to get that fair stopped for years - will e-mail & hope it does some good .
I don't care if it's ' traditional' - to me it has always been the same , a bunch of gypsies abusing equines .Sickening .
I don't care if it's ' traditional' - to me it has always been the same , a bunch of gypsies abusing equines .Sickening .
Hedgewitch13
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That selfish b**tch's comments made my blood boil - I'd love to give her a dunking in that river!
As for the bloke who did that - well lets hope someone knows who he is and treats him accordingly although my guess is they will all close ranks and he will get away with it
As for the bloke who did that - well lets hope someone knows who he is and treats him accordingly although my guess is they will all close ranks and he will get away with it
rdc1000
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Please DO write to the organisers!!!
That poor horse - from the pictures in the Daily mail today he had put the rope accross its nostrils to control it - poor thing couldn't breathe and then was thrown in water - my blood is BOILING!
In the same newspaper the Eden councillor and Chairman of the organising committee for the fair said it was 'tradition' and she had no intention of stopping horses heads being dunked.
Write her an email please at ella.langan@eden.gov.uk
I would like the fair stoped - failing that the committee should pay for at least five policemen and five rspca inspectors to be present at the riverside. SO MAD. Poor pony.
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I'm sorry, but what you've written is a joke! I'm originally from Appleby (well a village close by, but went to school in Appleby), and know the town and the fair very well. To expect the local authority to stop it is ludicrous! Appleby is a small town in a rural location. The fair sustains the town for the remainder of the year, it is genuinly that important. When the foot and motuh crisis occured, and the fair was cancelled, it was the death toll for a number of shops in the town, they couldn't actually make it through two years without the fair, some of them SERIOUSLY make all of their money in that one week. The rest of the summer sees small level tourism in Appleby, but it is the fair that drives things, and in the winter its a ghost town.
As for paying for the police and RSPCA to be by the river..have you ever been to Appleby, the place is CRAWLING with both during this time, by the river and up towards fair hill. The whole area is very well covered.
Appleby is the largest horse fair in Europe, I can't even quote how many horses go, but this is one incident in one year, rather than attack the fair, consider that this is the action of a single individual.
Appleby had a bad reputation many years ago, with a lot of neglected horses arriving. However, the RSPCA, Police and DEFRA (as is now) have worked hard over the years to reverse this, and indeed nowadays most horses are in a good state, and reasonably well looked after (I say reasonably only because they're never going to be fed Polos and apples all day long and given a bedtime cuddle like those belonging to some members on here).
I no longer live in the area, but a friend was there at the weekend for the first time (up from Cheshire where I live now). She was suprised how well most of the horses looked, she said that they clearly weren't over-fed, but then neither were they starved in any way.
So yes, express you're disgust at the actions of this horse owner, but perhaps his story should be documented in the Horse and Hound news section, along with all the others who inflict cruelty on their horses (many of whom are supposed to be genuine horse lovers), rather than being held up in a way that tars Appleby, and all those who attend, with the same brush!
Please DO write to the organisers!!!
That poor horse - from the pictures in the Daily mail today he had put the rope accross its nostrils to control it - poor thing couldn't breathe and then was thrown in water - my blood is BOILING!
In the same newspaper the Eden councillor and Chairman of the organising committee for the fair said it was 'tradition' and she had no intention of stopping horses heads being dunked.
Write her an email please at ella.langan@eden.gov.uk
I would like the fair stoped - failing that the committee should pay for at least five policemen and five rspca inspectors to be present at the riverside. SO MAD. Poor pony.
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I'm sorry, but what you've written is a joke! I'm originally from Appleby (well a village close by, but went to school in Appleby), and know the town and the fair very well. To expect the local authority to stop it is ludicrous! Appleby is a small town in a rural location. The fair sustains the town for the remainder of the year, it is genuinly that important. When the foot and motuh crisis occured, and the fair was cancelled, it was the death toll for a number of shops in the town, they couldn't actually make it through two years without the fair, some of them SERIOUSLY make all of their money in that one week. The rest of the summer sees small level tourism in Appleby, but it is the fair that drives things, and in the winter its a ghost town.
As for paying for the police and RSPCA to be by the river..have you ever been to Appleby, the place is CRAWLING with both during this time, by the river and up towards fair hill. The whole area is very well covered.
Appleby is the largest horse fair in Europe, I can't even quote how many horses go, but this is one incident in one year, rather than attack the fair, consider that this is the action of a single individual.
Appleby had a bad reputation many years ago, with a lot of neglected horses arriving. However, the RSPCA, Police and DEFRA (as is now) have worked hard over the years to reverse this, and indeed nowadays most horses are in a good state, and reasonably well looked after (I say reasonably only because they're never going to be fed Polos and apples all day long and given a bedtime cuddle like those belonging to some members on here).
I no longer live in the area, but a friend was there at the weekend for the first time (up from Cheshire where I live now). She was suprised how well most of the horses looked, she said that they clearly weren't over-fed, but then neither were they starved in any way.
So yes, express you're disgust at the actions of this horse owner, but perhaps his story should be documented in the Horse and Hound news section, along with all the others who inflict cruelty on their horses (many of whom are supposed to be genuine horse lovers), rather than being held up in a way that tars Appleby, and all those who attend, with the same brush!
Chex
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Horrific
. But I thought horses could swim
Morrigan_Lady
Well-Known Member
rdc1000 - I hear what your saying, but as far as dunking horses heads in water, IT SHOULD BE BANNED!! Thats sort of thing should not happen, Like Ive already said, if it was done to people, things would be much much different.
I feel VERY strongly about this and I will be emailing this woman.
fionab
Member
I dont find horses being drowned a joke. One horse dying through the cruelty of a human is too many. It's people like you that put financial gain before the wellbeing of animals that make me sick.
I would like the fair stopped but if you read my post properly , failing that, new procedures need to be put in place by the committee to prevent other horses dying and suffering.
I'm not against everybody at that fair but their are certain individuals who are going to ruin for everyone. I think the replies at this forum suggest that you are the joke for thinking nothing can be done.
I would like the fair stopped but if you read my post properly , failing that, new procedures need to be put in place by the committee to prevent other horses dying and suffering.
I'm not against everybody at that fair but their are certain individuals who are going to ruin for everyone. I think the replies at this forum suggest that you are the joke for thinking nothing can be done.
rdc1000
Well-Known Member
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rdc1000 - I hear what your saying, but as far as dunking horses heads in water, IT SHOULD BE BANNED!! Thats sort of thing should not happen, Like Ive already said, if it was done to people, things would be much much different.
I feel VERY strongly about this and I will be emailing this woman.
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I'm not saying that dunking horses heads under water is a good thing at all, and I agree it shouldn't happen. But in truth, I've never seen that much of it going on, and wasn't aware of that even being a part of the fair, and I've gone for many years (but perhpas not sat and watched the horses at the river like many will, I accept that). If you want to send an e-mail on that topic then fine. I'm not sure how it is expected to be enforced though.
What FEEP was calling for is an end to the Appleby horse fair, and I think people are a bit naive if they send an e-mail of that nature. Unless they intend to kill a community?
rdc1000 - I hear what your saying, but as far as dunking horses heads in water, IT SHOULD BE BANNED!! Thats sort of thing should not happen, Like Ive already said, if it was done to people, things would be much much different.
I feel VERY strongly about this and I will be emailing this woman.
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I'm not saying that dunking horses heads under water is a good thing at all, and I agree it shouldn't happen. But in truth, I've never seen that much of it going on, and wasn't aware of that even being a part of the fair, and I've gone for many years (but perhpas not sat and watched the horses at the river like many will, I accept that). If you want to send an e-mail on that topic then fine. I'm not sure how it is expected to be enforced though.
What FEEP was calling for is an end to the Appleby horse fair, and I think people are a bit naive if they send an e-mail of that nature. Unless they intend to kill a community?
rdc1000
Well-Known Member
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I dont find horses being drowned a joke. One horse dying through the cruelty of a human is too many. It's people like you that put financial gain before the wellbeing of animals that make me sick.
I would like the fair stopped but if you read my post properly , failing that, new procedures need to be put in place by the committee to prevent other horses dying and suffering.
I'm not against everybody at that fair but their are certain individuals who are going to ruin for everyone. I think the replies at this forum suggest that you are the joke for thinking nothing can be done.
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I don't find horses being drowned a joke either, neither do I find horses with feet growing as long as my arm a joke, because the owner thinks it a more humane way of keeping animals than shoeing them and having their feet trimmed (or any of the other stories we read all to often in the front of H&H). The point is that this was the action of an individual, among 5000+ travellers that attend Appleby. As you point out, this is an individual ruining it for everybody, but how often do you e-mail about the Grand National or to British Eventing? I accept that I am putting my horses life at danger evrytime I take it eventing, its not a nice thought to put it in those terms, but its true.
The point I'm making is that your suggestion that Appleby should be stopped is a joke, and I think anybody who reads my reply will clearly seperate that from me suggesting that horses drowning is a joke, it doesn't take much common sense to work that out.
Furthermore, its not simply about financial gain, its about a whole community. Many of the services, such as food outlets, can only continue to support the town for the rest of the year because they make anough money over the fair week. In a typical year, events such as this don't happen, so for me to say that you shouldn't call for the ending of the fair is not unjust.
With regards to the procedures, as I've just replied to another user, I AGREE that dunking horses heads in an intentional way is cruel (as opposed to the unitentional way in which horses heads get dunked when they fall into water eventing?), but I think it will always be difficult to enforce them not doing that.
The procedures you talk of seem to be more RSPCA and Police at hand. I'm not sure if you've been to Appleby or not, but a lot of these resoruces have been put in place for this time of the year, with RSPCA officers coming from around the UK. If reports are correct then they were watching. Perhaps, rather than directing your anger at the Local Authority, you should be questioning why the RSPCA did not intervene at an earlier stage?
I dont find horses being drowned a joke. One horse dying through the cruelty of a human is too many. It's people like you that put financial gain before the wellbeing of animals that make me sick.
I would like the fair stopped but if you read my post properly , failing that, new procedures need to be put in place by the committee to prevent other horses dying and suffering.
I'm not against everybody at that fair but their are certain individuals who are going to ruin for everyone. I think the replies at this forum suggest that you are the joke for thinking nothing can be done.
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I don't find horses being drowned a joke either, neither do I find horses with feet growing as long as my arm a joke, because the owner thinks it a more humane way of keeping animals than shoeing them and having their feet trimmed (or any of the other stories we read all to often in the front of H&H). The point is that this was the action of an individual, among 5000+ travellers that attend Appleby. As you point out, this is an individual ruining it for everybody, but how often do you e-mail about the Grand National or to British Eventing? I accept that I am putting my horses life at danger evrytime I take it eventing, its not a nice thought to put it in those terms, but its true.
The point I'm making is that your suggestion that Appleby should be stopped is a joke, and I think anybody who reads my reply will clearly seperate that from me suggesting that horses drowning is a joke, it doesn't take much common sense to work that out.
Furthermore, its not simply about financial gain, its about a whole community. Many of the services, such as food outlets, can only continue to support the town for the rest of the year because they make anough money over the fair week. In a typical year, events such as this don't happen, so for me to say that you shouldn't call for the ending of the fair is not unjust.
With regards to the procedures, as I've just replied to another user, I AGREE that dunking horses heads in an intentional way is cruel (as opposed to the unitentional way in which horses heads get dunked when they fall into water eventing?), but I think it will always be difficult to enforce them not doing that.
The procedures you talk of seem to be more RSPCA and Police at hand. I'm not sure if you've been to Appleby or not, but a lot of these resoruces have been put in place for this time of the year, with RSPCA officers coming from around the UK. If reports are correct then they were watching. Perhaps, rather than directing your anger at the Local Authority, you should be questioning why the RSPCA did not intervene at an earlier stage?
fionab
Member
I absolutely agree the rspca should have stepped in earlier. Its very disappointing this was allowed to happen and that the person responsible got away.
I think the comments in the newspaper from the councillor who is chairman of the organisation of Appleby fair were extremely unsympathetic to what had happened and very dismissive of change. I think that angered me the most. She said a 'ramp' would be introduced to get the horses in the water easier (?)
While nobody wants horses drowned (and I wouldn't suggest you did) these are accidents waiting to happen. These horses are terrified and often in inexperienced hands.
I think the comments in the newspaper from the councillor who is chairman of the organisation of Appleby fair were extremely unsympathetic to what had happened and very dismissive of change. I think that angered me the most. She said a 'ramp' would be introduced to get the horses in the water easier (?)
While nobody wants horses drowned (and I wouldn't suggest you did) these are accidents waiting to happen. These horses are terrified and often in inexperienced hands.
clipertyplop
Well-Known Member
This was reported on the AH&H, with pictures, police and RSPSA inspectors can be seen standing on the bank watching!!!!!!!!! but to be honest it happend so quickly i doubt anything could have been done to save the poor horse, the coward of a man would have been known within the travellers comunity, but they are such a closed shop,i doubt he will be bourght to justice
fionab
Member
Would it be too much to ask to say that you can take horses into the water to swim and bathe (that aren't very young or foals with their mothers) but you are not allowed to dunk their heads under water with force? If people were seen doing this they would be charged with deliberately causing suffering to an animal? I don't know - I don't have all the right answers but feel strongly something could be done.
gemz666
Well-Known Member
it is awful what happened i was horrified to read it.
why is dunking the head tradition? what is ment to be gained from it?
why is dunking the head tradition? what is ment to be gained from it?
fionab
Member
I have no idea why they do it..I cant ever see a reasonable answer. A lot of barbaric things happened in 1685 when this started -fortunately most of those disappeared when people realised it was unacceptable to be cruel to animals, tradition or not.
mickey
Well-Known Member
I can't see any reason to dunk a horse's head under water. It is disgusting what happened to that poor animal and it should not be allowed to occur again, whatever it takes to prevent it.
pongo
New User
I have been reading all the posts with interest, my family have been attending the Appleby Horse fair for over thirty years and I have just returned from a full week at the fair with my family in a caravan next to the "speed lane" & before you go any further I am not a traveller/gypsy. We have had no horses with us this year but I have bought and sold them many times there in the past so I speak from experience from both sides of the fence. Appleby Horse Fair is a charter fair and will not ever be stopped no matter who writes to whom. The idiot with the horse in the river was just exactly that. a total ignorant fool...and the incident being reported in the papers is slightly comparable to a horse being killed in the Grand National etc A very sad avoidable event that spoils the enjoyment many others have of the whole experience. At the time of the drowning the horse had only been in the water a matter of a few minuntes and despite a very large crowd of people. police and RSPCA, it happened so quickly nothing good be done to save him, the RSPCA had no chance to intervene. The boy was a fool. He was no horseman. He lost his horse and deservedly so. What idiot ties a rope round a horses nostrils in the water? We all agree on that.
There was a larger RSPCA prescence here this year but despite this the travelling community have their own ways (rightly or wrongly)..puppies were openly sold, live hens etc just knowing where to go to buy them is the secret and the RSPCA arent there at night. two nights we had night racing after midnight in pitch black darkness...one night someone came galloping home from the pub at four in the morning! The fair is an experience that certainly isnt for everyone, you cannot save every horse from a less than perfect life, anymore than every dog or cat etc. Horses are bought and sold for meat, for urine for premarin hormone treatment and other distasteful things we would rather not know about. I was once offered a job, by someone in this country, to bring live horses overland from Russia for killing in Belguim with horrific conditions for the animals, far worse than anything you will see at appleby fair.
However at the fair you will see some of the best examples of horses in the country, many are exported for vasts amount of money by considerate people, some of the best driving cobs can be found here, young stock, irish blood horses, quiet riding ponies and the usual mish mash of scrawny foals that you find in any horse market auction ring in the country, in fact thats where most of them started out. There is good and bad in all people, horse owners or not. A good horseman at the fair would value his animal highly as at the end of the day these animals are currency just as are cattle are for farmers and everthing must be taken in context as a whole. The young idiot was a fool. With thousands of horses and tens of thousands of people something will always happen to hit the headlines but the fair wont stop. I have also read in the posts about someone being killed. A travelling man was knocked down on the lane, the horse missed him but the cart caught him..they airlifted him by helicopter and he was alive at that point as I was next to him at this time.....I have heard nothing further since. The fair is good for business in this sleepy cumbrian village. One week keeps them going for a year and yes that does boil down to money, it puts bread on the table for humans...they put up with the noise, the litter, the abuse & the other despicable things that are done here for one week, they hate it ..but dont move to appleby if you dont like the fair week! Our local undertaker bought a matching pair of black cobs from the hill at appleby many years ago and still they pull the hearse and what a sight to see. Go with your eyes open & your mind open, its like nothing else you will ever see, people are born and die at the fair, you will see more horses of all breeds in one place than anywhere else and the odd idiot!
There was a larger RSPCA prescence here this year but despite this the travelling community have their own ways (rightly or wrongly)..puppies were openly sold, live hens etc just knowing where to go to buy them is the secret and the RSPCA arent there at night. two nights we had night racing after midnight in pitch black darkness...one night someone came galloping home from the pub at four in the morning! The fair is an experience that certainly isnt for everyone, you cannot save every horse from a less than perfect life, anymore than every dog or cat etc. Horses are bought and sold for meat, for urine for premarin hormone treatment and other distasteful things we would rather not know about. I was once offered a job, by someone in this country, to bring live horses overland from Russia for killing in Belguim with horrific conditions for the animals, far worse than anything you will see at appleby fair.
However at the fair you will see some of the best examples of horses in the country, many are exported for vasts amount of money by considerate people, some of the best driving cobs can be found here, young stock, irish blood horses, quiet riding ponies and the usual mish mash of scrawny foals that you find in any horse market auction ring in the country, in fact thats where most of them started out. There is good and bad in all people, horse owners or not. A good horseman at the fair would value his animal highly as at the end of the day these animals are currency just as are cattle are for farmers and everthing must be taken in context as a whole. The young idiot was a fool. With thousands of horses and tens of thousands of people something will always happen to hit the headlines but the fair wont stop. I have also read in the posts about someone being killed. A travelling man was knocked down on the lane, the horse missed him but the cart caught him..they airlifted him by helicopter and he was alive at that point as I was next to him at this time.....I have heard nothing further since. The fair is good for business in this sleepy cumbrian village. One week keeps them going for a year and yes that does boil down to money, it puts bread on the table for humans...they put up with the noise, the litter, the abuse & the other despicable things that are done here for one week, they hate it ..but dont move to appleby if you dont like the fair week! Our local undertaker bought a matching pair of black cobs from the hill at appleby many years ago and still they pull the hearse and what a sight to see. Go with your eyes open & your mind open, its like nothing else you will ever see, people are born and die at the fair, you will see more horses of all breeds in one place than anywhere else and the odd idiot!
FREESTYLER
Well-Known Member
ok, so a horses head goes under water for 34 seconds, how can it drown in such a short period of time??? Is it possible? Was there more to it than this??? The man needs to be hung drawn and quartered who did this. What an utter bastard. Why do they do this out of tradition anyway? What is the reason behind this???I think this tradition should be scrapped...end of. Have the fair, but scrap the dunking. IMHO. Cruelty to horses is NOT necessary.
pongo
New User
I have never seen much dunking, its an old tradition like christening a child, the lad was not a horseman. He was just a fool. I think the majority of the horses would of actually enjoyed cooling off in the river this year it was boiling...shame this one incident has highlighted the river for all the wrong reasons, but horses are like people...not everyone likes the water. This horse panicked and thats why it drowned so very quickly.
fionab
Member
If you look at the horrible pictures you'll see he was 'controlling' the horse with a rope wrapped tightly around its nose several times which was covering its nostrils, hence it not being able to breathe. It fell in completely when he dragged it into the water, then it came up terrified still with its nose covered and the stupid moron then grabbed its head and dunked it in the water again. The horse couldn't breathe - never mind having it's head in water. How the rspca stand by and see a horse being led in this way into water is beyond me.
sugarnspice
Well-Known Member
This has really sickened me. I can't put what I am thinking as it will be censored. THis story has brought tears to my eyes
. Tradition to dunk a horses head underwater before it goes onto dry land. Yea, great one.