HORSE electric collar!!

[Naryafluffy]

that collar is sick...

in regards to use on dogs, i never would, but we've been talking to our dog trainer about using a collar that squirts your dog with water as our pup has hit the adolescent stage and is conveniently deaf to recall. Recently he would not come back and stood waiting for a woman and her dog to come through our horses fields. He wouldn't have done anything but the woman stared him down (stupid thing to do to any dog!) and he's a rottweiler so we don't want him getting a bad name for himself.
so we are looking into it so when we call him and he ignores us he'll get a squirt and come back.

My friend has one of these for his ridgie, similar to yours in deaf to recall when out and off the leash, first time he was sprayed he jump about 20ft in the air, only had to use it a couple of times, although he does still wear it just in case!!!

 

[BBP]

I imagine I will get roasted for this, but I use a collar and fence system for my cat. I live in a rural area with a large ish garden, but at the front of the house is a road that cars use as a rat run and go really fast on. I have had to pick up several dead cats from this road. The wire goes around the garden perimeter, and little cat wears the collar. If she gets too close to the wire it will beep at her, if she keeps going closer it will eventually give a tiny electric 'fizz' (and yes, im sure it will feel very different to a cats neck than to my finger or arm), bt it is way less than say a static shock off a car door. She knows that if it beeps she can move back into the garden and nothing happens. It means she can play in the garden without the risk of getting run over, and she doesn't get 'fizzed' because she understands the beeping noise, just like an electric fence, she chooses not to go near it. It means she can have a happy outdoor life. In an ideal world I would live somewhere where she can roam wherever she wants.

I wouldn't use one on a horse for cribbing though, to me that is a symptom of something that needs addressing.

 

[MiCsarah]

I have an electric collar for my dog. I've tried the spray collar but soon stopped working. He's a springer who let's his legs run away with him. He was getting dangerous with re distances he was going. He was also chasing sheep and had killed 2 chickens. You could call and whistle him until you were blue in the face but when he's found a scent and you don't quite catch him before his legs start taking him you could be waiting for 40mins til he decided to return. He doesn't need me on a walk, I'm there as an inconvience for him. He now only needs to wear the collar and I use the beep. I would never of used it if I hadn't of tried it on my own neck and I don't ever put the power up high. It has now meant I can walk my dog safely as there is no way I could walk far enough to wear him out if he was on a lead

 

[fburton]

This collar isn't remote controlled, it zaps the horse when the muscle tense to suck in wind, the dog collar with the remote control would be open to abuse, however I do know that you can get invisible electric fencing where the dog wears the collar and if it steps over the boundary it is automatically zapped, however then you hear the stories of people not turning off the collar and putting the dog in the car and taking it over the boundary

I thought you were referring to the remote shock collars (e.g. ViceBreaker) that are advertised for horse use - sorry for the misunderstanding. The issue of what using electric shocks, or any aversive, to stock cribbing actually achieves is another matter of course.

 

[juliette]

I am sorry but not ALL dogs respond to a bag of treats and a pat on the head.
There are some dogs you cannot shout at and there are some dogs who's drive to chase is stronger than any sort of 'bond' you can build with them.

We have an electric collar for one of our dogs as once he caught a scent he just seemed to not hear you, no matter how hard you called or whistled. It has been wonderful. It has a bell on it as well as the "shock". We found after a couple of times having to use the shock, he now looks up if you ring the bell, this then means you have the opportunity to issue a command he understands. ie "come", "wait" etc and we have one very happy dog who can spend 99% of his walks off the lead sniffing and running around.

I do think they are last resorts, I never imagined we would need one, but I can honestly say he probably needs a shock about once every 6 months. I feel this is a good compromise for the amount of freedom he has.

I think in very extreme cases there could be an arguement for the ones for a horse, if your horse had no front teeth then I should think extreme measures would be called for as there would be other health implications in this scenario.

 

[Tnavas]

The horse shocks himself on the fence consistently and with perfect timing, whereas the human decides when and under what circumstances to give the shock via the collar. A horse is (or should be) always able to escape from the shock of the fence, whereas he may not be able to 'escape' from the collar shock. An electric fence is not open to abuse (unless the horse is deliberately chased on to it), whereas the collar is easily abused - even when abuse is not intended, through incompetence of the operator. (Anyone who doesn't believe people can be so incompetent in delivery of punishment should watch the video of the horse being loaded 'using' the cattle prod.)

So, yes, I would say the two situations are very different!

I think you are refering to the type that is controlled by a handler - The collar I have on my dog is worked soley by the dog - if she barks the vibration sets off the electric shock - it's instantanious and so relates totally to the bark - as we know that to discipline an animal the punishment/correction must be delivered promptly. This is what this collar does.

As to cribbing - some horses initially do it when they have ulcers or are the ulcers a result of the cribbing - who knows. It becomes a habit and its the habit it stops. If the horse has ulcers so long as the horse is being treated then there is no reason why the cribbing cannot be forcibly stopped - it only works when the horse cribs - it soon learns that cribbing gives him a shock.

 

[fburton]

I think you are refering to the type that is controlled by a handler - The collar I have on my dog is worked soley by the dog - if she barks the vibration sets off the electric shock - it's instantanious and so relates totally to the bark - as we know that to discipline an animal the punishment/correction must be delivered promptly. This is what this collar does.

Yes, I was referring to the remote-control type of collar. It is true that the automatic kind doesn't have some of the problems associated with the human operated type. However, there remains the possibility of false triggering due to incorrect setting or electronic malfunction, and this has been reported in dog shock collars. At least a horse can always avoid getting shocks with electric fencing, but what if a cribbing collar started delivering shocks inappropriately? There would be no possibility of escape.

As to cribbing - some horses initially do it when they have ulcers or are the ulcers a result of the cribbing - who knows. It becomes a habit and its the habit it stops. If the horse has ulcers so long as the horse is being treated then there is no reason why the cribbing cannot be forcibly stopped - it only works when the horse cribs - it soon learns that cribbing gives him a shock.

I think many vets nowadays would consider 'forcible stopping' of cribbing to be dubious in term of welfare. Reading the veterinary literature, that appears to be the way thinking is going, anyway.