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How can I get my horse to be more respectful of me? He's a big boy and he knows it - nearly 18hh Shire x ID. I've started looking after him a few days a week for a friend.

He takes the piss sometimes! When leading to and from the paddock, he frequently stops and requires rocking off his feet or raised voice plus tap of stick to get going again. Last time I took him down to the field after work he pulled his head down the to the ground. I yelled at him and dragged his head up. He then pulled again and took a nasty nip on out of my arm and barged off, pushing me into towards the fencing and yanking lead rope out of my hand. I had no problem recatching him but it's just so rude to behave like this.

Do I just get more savage with him? Beat him black and blue with a school stick? I really don't want to have to go down this route, or get into an arms race with any horse, let alone this brute. He knows what an angry voice means and that threats follow with action (whacking with end of rope or stick) sometimes he even ignores that. Trouble is, it seems like the more I scald him, he can get more rough in return. Sometimes I feel I'm even playing into little game. I really don't want him to become genuinely dangerous with endless negative reinforcement, but at the same time I want him to know some boundaries with people.

Another issue I have with him (which may be connected) is his recent tendency to drop his head and swing it in an excited way when being asked to trot in saddle. This has (and can lead) to him bolting and tanking off. He had a big, powerful head which pulls the rider right off their seat especially when they shorten their reins in preparation of trot. Again, disrespectful. He has a straight, plastic bit on a snaffle plus running martingale. It's not just a ridden thing either. He does exactly the same thing whilst lunging. However, I do find when I get that initial burst of energy out of him he stops doing it and the transitions are normal.
 
You say your looking after him for a friend - so I assume your a sharer. Stop. This horse is not suited to you and if you proceed with the wrong actions in handling him, you could install the wrong behaviour required.

Sorry - but that is my honest opinion x x
 
Respect has to be earned - pulling, shouting and hitting him, creates the fight - not respect! I would suggest that you have a professional equine behaviour specialist work with him and you.

My horse was a 17.2hh IDxTB that was difficult to handle in the early days (he had been 'taught' to fight) but, with time, patience and making sure corrections were administered correctly and on time (not by shouting, pulling or hitting), my 7 yr old grand daughter could lead him to and from his field! Same applies to lunging and riding - if a horse is light in the headlock, he will be light in the bridle - in other words, until you get him leading nicely and listening to you on the ground, you will probably have problems getting hm to listen to you when riding!

I appreciate that it may not be cheap hiring a professional to help but your life is not cheap either and his behaviours could likely escalate!
 
How does the horse behave with your friend? If he is well mannered with your friend ask her to give you some help/show you what works for her. If the friend is hoping that you can instill some manners into her rude horse, walk away, as that is not a job for you.
 
Why so dismissive? I may have to give up on him yes. But he's already progressing. And he isn't all bad. He's the least spooky and flightly horse I've dealt with in a long time and that's so refreshing. Although I accept there's things in his life I can't control, namely what I suspect is him having learnt that he can intimidate people perhaps via his owner being fearful.

There's no doubt he's a difficult horse, but I'd hate to be a quitter. But I don't think he's exceptional by any means, horses have issues period. I'm glad he doesn't explode, spin, pull ears back on me, step on my feet, tacks up easily, stays in one place when grooming, etc.

I've honestly met a perfect horse, I'd just like some practical advice from someone who can relate to this type of horse.
 
This horse's behavior sounds quite similar to another of a similar size on here not so long ago. There was alot of good advice of that thread. I'll see if I can find the link
 
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