Horse lying down when ridden!!!

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I think you have been lucky.

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I expect I have. Lots and lots of times
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Actually, plenty of horses have back / leg problems that can't be attributed to racing. Same goes for splints and other physical / psychological problems. Whilst I don't dispute for a second that 18mths-2 years is too young for horses to be ridden, I don't think racing can be blamed for ALL the ills of thoroughbreds.
 
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i think the yard owner is completely in the wrong to
saying to hit it no wonder the thing wants to lay down

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Definitely
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i thnk she should get rid even though people say turn it out she still got the problem of bringing back into work which i think is going to be impossible maybe its just me

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Well, she's a novice rider. She shouldn't have bought a 2-year-old in the first place. It would be much better for the poor thing to be bought and brought on by someone who knows what they're doing.
 
The thing about racehorses is not all of them are broken to race at 2 years old, some are left until 3 +.

Those that are broken very young are generally long reined and built up first, and then only backed by very light riders (look in the ads for stable staff, they always include a weight limit) and then they are mostly being ridden and exercised in more or less straight lines.
 
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This is my first post and seems a bit long I'm afraid!!!
i am helping someone up at the yard who rides western (i don't!) on a 2yr old( !!!!) which is her first horse upon who she is learning to ride (!!!!!). the problem is that it tries to nap so she puts her legs on to get it to go forwards and it promptly lies down, lies flat out until she gets off, then gets up, lets her remount and tries to nap again. there is nothing physically wrong with it apart from being v v young. the rider is very novice and was duped into buying the horse but she had it broken by a professional and this is a recent problem. no idea how to help her, any ideas??

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Welcome to the forum
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Tell her to turn the poor thing away and let him grow up,shoot me, put part of me think its close to cruelty to continue trying to ride a horse that gets on the floor for a very obvious reason.POOR HORSE If she stops now she might prevent future physical problems such as BACK PROBLEMS !!! Sorry but i am so angry that some people can be so ignorant when it comes to horses..Rant Over
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I have an exracer, have had no back problems or splints, just cuts that she got in the field. I suppose though that racehorses aren't ridden in full western gear..
 
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I have to say this does seem very troll like to me......

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I thought the same after i posted.....
And thinking about it the horse has been broken in professionaly as a 2 year old ???
Most professional riders would refuse/decline/avoid to break in a 2 year old that will then be ridden by a novice ,and what novice wants to ride a 2 year old most novice riders wants something bombproof and safe ??
Might have shoot myself in the foot here ? And if i am wrong i appologise
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I have to say this does seem very troll like to me......

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I thought the same after i posted.....
And thinking about it the horse has been broken in professionaly as a 2 year old ???
Most professional riders would refuse/decline/avoid to break in a 2 year old that will then be ridden by a novice ,and what novice wants to ride a 2 year old most novice riders wants something bombproof and safe ??
Might have shoot myself in the foot here ? And if i am wrong i appologise
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It happens in the US (says so on fuglyhorseoftheday! ), so if the owners are western enthusiasts... *shrugs* Could be true.
Then again, I AM very gullible
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If they will not listen to anything anyone will say, then you go to the vet and ask him if a horse was being treated in this why what they would suggest. They may be able to help you get through to them but I also agree with OWLIE185, it will be in the horses best interest to get some help from somone such as the ILPH.
 
"apparently these western breeds such as the quarter horse and appaloosas bones mature faster or some tosh like that. there are competitions for 2, 3 and 4 yrs olds at reining so i know people do it. def not best scenario though "

That's just an excuse. They do it because there is big money in 'Futurity' classes in the US, which are basically classes for ridden youngsters. (i.e 2, 3 years old)

Actually it's scientifically proven that they don't mature any earlier at all. Same with TBs. All horses mature physically at the same time (give or take a couple of months)

QHs will put up with anything though, they're soooo laid back.
 
There may be a faint smell of the blue veiny stuff but in case I'm wrong - poor horse!
In reply to those who have commented about novice riders and young horse - I'm a novice and have a 4 year old. BUT I have a lot of experienced people around me. I wouldn't touch a two year old with a barge pole as I wouldn't have a clue.
I hope someone manages to talk some sense into the owners before they wreck the animal.
 
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Does anyone smell Stilton?
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No fair! I love stilton!

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How can anyone love something which smells like rotting badger?
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S - don't know what sycological is but there are loads of hits if you Google it
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This is what I would do (because I dont care what people think of me ha ha)

I would print this forum thread off - and leave it in the tack room - put a big notice on it that says 'Hello - I am so concerned about the welfare of you and your two year old horse - I have sought further advice - please read the forum thread below and take heed'

Regardless of wether they are new to riding is garbage - to not even have the notion of how old a horse should be when you buy one is a disgrace - not ignorance!!!

Be brave and well done for being so caring xxx

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Absolutely ditto.
 
Shilasdair Why do you think a troll is at work? As wrong as it might be it is very common in the US/Canada to back 2yo QH's. Not sure about this post, but it is quiet likely to be true, some people do seem quiet keen to get on their babies (horses for those in a funny mood).
 
yeah the horse was broken by a western specialist and she was informed that this was the age to do it at. there has been a bit of a breakthrough though. as a result of seeing me lunge the horse (dodge flying back hooves!) she has decided that she needs to gain the horses respect one the ground before doing much more on the back!!! she is trying a lunging, parelli kind of approach, watched from a distance today and seemed to be working. just have to really buoy her up when it gets tough to ensure that she doesn't give up.

replying to stilton yes i am in verwood. how did you know monach gold??
 
Yes, most western horses here are started around 2. Personally, I see nothing wrong with taking a well grown 2 year old and introducing it to a saddle and ground work and even a light rider and short rides. I have even put a child's saddle on a yearling and led it around. (Puts on flame proof suit). I don't think you could get a vet over here to say that it is wrong to start a 2 year old. Now I really don't think they should be doing any regular work until at least 3 and it really makes me cringe to see 2 year olds in reining and cutting futurities as that kind of stopping and turning is incredibly hard on their very young legs.

Since this woman is riding with a western saddle I would suggest that her girth may be too tight, either the front or back girth. If she is using a back girth, it should be loose enough to slide your hand through the girth. A too tight back girth could make the horse lie down.
 
brill, need to speak to someone who starts 2yr olds. the horse is supposed to make 15.2 but is around 14.1 at the moment. am wondering if riding at this age causes growth problems. have heard that this trick can be found in quarter horses as an evasion tactic but need to find a way around it. the owner does not want to compete but wants fun hacks and some schooling.
 
I've just finished reading this post. So the horse is actually 3 years old now and not 2 as first stated by you? What breed is the horse?

No, backing has no bearing on the genetically programmed height of the horse - but then no-one actually knows the genetically-programmed height of any horse. Suffice to say, if the horse is a QH and is 14.1hh at 3 years old then it is highly doubtful it will make anything like 15.2hh.
 
sorry about the age mix up. it turned 3 about 4 days ago but has been ridden at home for quite a while and was broken at the start age for western horses. the horse isn't mine and i don't know the exact dates of everything. all i know date wise is that it was broken and being ridden at under 2 1/2, at first only lightly whilst the rider tried to keep control. its not exactly getting hammered around but i just don't like the fact its being ridden at all. however my actual post was how to stop it lying down so the rider can move forawrds on it !
 
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.....was broken at the start age for western horses

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Umm. There is no "start-age" for western horses. They are started as and when they are mentally and physically ready; some may be 2 years old and some may not be ready until 4 years old.

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however my actual post was how to stop it lying down so the rider can move forawrds on it !

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Your actual post to which I responded, asked about the height and this was the post I answered. There was hardly any point in answering the post about how to stop the horse lying down since it has already been answered by lots of people.

What breed is the horse?
 
no one actually said how to stop it! they all just said turn it out for a year. the horse is a quarter horse but as to exact amounts of each breed in it i dont know. i've been told that they can have thoroughbred added and still be called quarter horses but i don't ride western or know anything about it really. i just saw a horse and rider having fights, an upset rider and a horse an the route to trouble, was asked to help and just needed some advice.
 
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no one actually said how to stop it! they all just said turn it out for a year.

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Hmm, I think you'll find the answers given were to turn it away for a year perhaps?
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the horse is a quarter horse but as to exact amounts of each breed in it i dont know. i've been told that they can have thoroughbred added and still be called quarter horses but i don't ride western or know anything about it really

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I asked what breed the horse was because my next question would have been "do you know the pedigree of the horse". The reason being, there are a few very serious hereditary problems originating from some AQHA stallions. The age of this horse is about the age at which the symptoms of some of these conditions, begin to show.

AQHA's who are bred to TB's are placed in the Appendix registry and not the regular AQHA registry.
 
No problems with the sire line. What is the dam line? Or is that the dam line? Is that what you meant by "mum"? If so, then what is the sire line?
 
that was the dam line. the father is either QUEST SMOKEN CLASSIC, QUEST ALIAS RAIN, HES AN IMPRINTED STAR or CHEXIN OUT
 
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