Horse short & a bit iffy in canter, otherwise completely sound?

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Wonder if anyone can shed some light on this. My lovely cob has had a bit of an issue for the last couple of weeks. He is fine/sound in all movements apart from his canter, which feels a bit short in front and just not as good as usual. Quick history:
Owned from youngster, broke him myself. Couldn't canter for ages, 4 beat and flailing! Lots of schooling and hard work and now canter is probably his best pace. Competing Ele, schooling Med at home. 15hh cob gelding, 8 years old, thinks he's a PRE stallion. Very flamboyant, uphill, bouncy, also hyperflexible hence the difficulty with canter initially.

Earlier this year, I think he pulled a muscle in his right fore - think tricep, doing one of his silly OTT shapes - 4/5 weeks of lighter work and stretching and all back to normal, went out and won an Elementary test with 74%. In this instance, the canter was a bit dodgy but it was more noticeable in the fact that he wouldn't extend as much on the right side in med. trot.

This time, the trot work is excellent - he's doing fab half passes, his medium trot is bigger and better than ever. 2 weeks ago we first noticed it in my lesson, trainer said his huge overtrack in walk wasn't there. 2 weeks later, the overtrack is back, but the canter isn't. It's not awful, I think most people watching wouldn't notice - just as a rider I can feel it, and my trainer can see it who knows his movement very well. Most noticeable on left rein, feels like he isn't protracting his left fore enough, and almost pigeons it in a bit (according to trainer). He'll lengthen strides if you ask, struggles a bit coming back to collection but then always has as he loses control a bit. Canter half passes are OK, but a little less smooth than usual, and struggling to collect him as much so they get a bit onward bound.

I should admit at this stage that I am a newly qualified vet physio, so I'd like to think I know what I'm looking at in terms of assessment - although lack the experience of previous cases. So after riding, I've thoroughly checked him over, no heat in any legs, no swelling, joint ROM all OK, little bit reluctant to hold the stretch in the forelegs protracted. I've lunged him and no lameness even on small circles. Hard to judge canter on the lunge as if he's not held together by a rider it reverts to being a bit wobbly anyway.

He's barefoot with excellent feet, trots out on all terrain (no canter as ground too hard) so I think I can rule out foot issues.

Another component is that his work has been dropped a bit in the last couple of months since our last competition, as I had final exams. So it may be that this has led to the wonky canter returning...but it doesn't feel quite like the old wonky canter he had when he was 5. He usually does a lot of walk/canter transitions to keep him together, but I've backed off these as didn't want to exacerbate the issue.

So...props if you've made it this far, can anyone lend any advice?! It's really hard to be objective with my own horse :-( especially as he is my most precious boy! I don't want to get a vet out at this stage, as there is no lameness and after the experience with another dressage cob at my yard being referred all over the place for a movement abnormality it was apparent that the vets couldn't really work out anything so just stuffed steroids into him which had no effect.
I'm just in a bit of a quandary as to whether to rest him or push on and see if working him improves the canter. The last issue was more obvious with the pulled muscle, this one is so hard to pinpoint.
 
Just want to say - hope you get to the bottom of it. It is so difficult when it's hard to pinpoint, rest and lose muscle etc and find out it was a weakness issue that is now worse because of weakness or work harder to regain any lost strength from the drop in work whilst you had exams and then find it was a tweaked muscle than needed rest! There is a train of thought that you should push on in the hope it either improves with work or "breaks" to reveal the issue. Rather than poke and hope from a vet. Maybe the injury was rested but not fully healed so was able to come back and do well in a test but then re tweaked it?
Good luck!
 
Just want to say - hope you get to the bottom of it. It is so difficult when it's hard to pinpoint, rest and lose muscle etc and find out it was a weakness issue that is now worse because of weakness or work harder to regain any lost strength from the drop in work whilst you had exams and then find it was a tweaked muscle than needed rest! There is a train of thought that you should push on in the hope it either improves with work or "breaks" to reveal the issue. Rather than poke and hope from a vet. Maybe the injury was rested but not fully healed so was able to come back and do well in a test but then re tweaked it?
Good luck!

Thanks Coss - yes I think at the moment I will follow that train of thought and just be very alert to how he's going to ensure I don't make anything worse. He certainly doesn't seem to be sore after schooling, and it doesn't get worse - I think it is better than 2 weeks ago. He's just impossible to keep a lid on as he likes to bring out the flamboyant moves frequently!!
 
After a lameness work-up in April where my mare decided to be 100% sound the vet did say to me that sometimes you need to work them until the problem is apparent to an outsider. Either that or try and catch it on video.

Have you tried him on danilon for a few days to see if the canter improves? If it does then that would at least indicate something is not quite right.
 
I would also agree on working them until it actually becomes a problem that you can pinpoint (obvious lameness or obvious different in usual way of going!) and not be sent on a wild goose chase. I spent the best part of £3000 on my horse because he was just "not quite right". We started with scoping which did find the ulcers actually so that wasn't a waste but after 2 months he still wasn't quite right and vet was baffled as it wasn't obvious what exactly was wrong so sent him for a work up, bone scan, xrays the works just to find he had mild changes in his hocks which were injected. At the time it seemed like the best thing to do as we thought it could be anything from his head to his hind feet so the bone scan ruled a lot out but in hind sight i wish I'd just pushed through and got the legs xrayed at a later date and could have saved myself £2500 and whole lot of grief!

It's horrible to think your horse might be in pain somewhere but like coss and SEL said all you can do is work him as it will either improve or get worse eventually! I hope he improves :)
 
Thanks everyone, glad you all agree. I've worked him 2 days in a row in the school and today he definitely wasn't worse, which I hope is promising as if it was something joint or tendon/ligament related I'd expect it to be worse maybe? I wonder if it's a tweak in his back. My liveries did say they saw him doing some interesting moves in the field...�� I just worry as he's a heavy chap doing decent level dressage and I guess hocks always spring to mind. Can anyone tell me what to look out for with early hock issues? He collects fine in trot and extends, so no power issue. Right canter is worse - can hold it and do HP today but just not very smooth and collected. Hock flexion is good - passive and active over poles. I just hate not knowing!!
 
Thanks everyone, glad you all agree. I've worked him 2 days in a row in the school and today he definitely wasn't worse, which I hope is promising as if it was something joint or tendon/ligament related I'd expect it to be worse maybe? I wonder if it's a tweak in his back. My liveries did say they saw him doing some interesting moves in the field...�� I just worry as he's a heavy chap doing decent level dressage and I guess hocks always spring to mind. Can anyone tell me what to look out for with early hock issues? He collects fine in trot and extends, so no power issue. Right canter is worse - can hold it and do HP today but just not very smooth and collected. Hock flexion is good - passive and active over poles. I just hate not knowing!!

It's difficult with the hocks, from what i've read and been its all interlinked so SI joint pain or back pain can sometimes create a compensatory gait which if not picked up on can then create problems lower down such as hocks which then creates further compensatory actions creating more pain so on so forth. We think that's what happened with my lad, he used to be driven quite a bit as a youngster and then did lots of roadwork before I got him and looking back now he always looked like he was standing iffy and a bit camped under. Couldn't get him to use himself properly because he couldn't create the power he needed behind due to pain in legs so didn't develop the correct muscle to alleviate the pressure from his hocks and was basically going around in a downward spiral. My lad only has it mild it both hocks but reluctance to use his hind end/dragging himself along with his front and striking off on the wrong canter lead/becoming disunited on right rein were the indicators I got. He is still reluctant to pick up both back feet but I suspect this is a bit of a habit now, he flew through the flexions at the vets which is why we had to go for the scan. He's better now he's been injected but we have to work hard on keeping the weight off, good warm up and cool down and doing stretches and make sure he is using himself properly so to take pressure off the hocks.

From what you've said and what you are doing with him, it sounds like you are doing all of the right things with your chap to ensure he is moving correctly so I wouldn't worry too much about it. If he still has good flexion, is using himself behind properly and is nice and active over poles it doesn't sound like the hocks, perhaps he has just tweaked his back like you said, do you have a good physio or someone that has seen him on his good days vs his bad so they can have a bit more of an objective view? My physio comes out every other month and she can always tell if he looks better or worse than last time!
 
Thanks emfen1305 - doesn't sound like my chap has any of those symptoms. I tried to objectively do physio on him this morning and failed miserably - just kept second guessing myself! An osteopath friend of mine has treated him before so I will see if she can come and assess him. Also have my trainer coming out in a couple of days who has seen him for 2 years go from unable to canter to Ele so she knows him better from the ground than me. The other thing with him is the stifles - they were slippy/loose when he was younger which was the main reason for being unable to canter. They don't seem painful so maybe lack of fitness has slackened them off again..!
 
Thanks emfen1305 - doesn't sound like my chap has any of those symptoms. I tried to objectively do physio on him this morning and failed miserably - just kept second guessing myself! An osteopath friend of mine has treated him before so I will see if she can come and assess him. Also have my trainer coming out in a couple of days who has seen him for 2 years go from unable to canter to Ele so she knows him better from the ground than me. The other thing with him is the stifles - they were slippy/loose when he was younger which was the main reason for being unable to canter. They don't seem painful so maybe lack of fitness has slackened them off again..!

Sorry i just remembered you said you had qualified yourself so of course you'll know more of the ins and outs than me but having someone on the ground can help, what they see and what you feel can be two totally different things! I think keep at it, he might just have had a wobble or tweaked something or the fitness is playing a bigger part than you might have first realised :)
 
An update for anyone interested! Had a lesson today - my trainer confirmed that he was much better than 2 weeks ago. Also found that the canter was pretty much normal if I took a light seat off his back, moment I sat deep he started to struggle. After the lesson his right lumbar area was a bit tender, so thinking he might have a bit of a back strain. I'm intending to carry on working him gently just focusing on suppleness rather than doing any extreme moves. Plus massage and TENS and see how he goes...feeling relieved that i've got more of an idea of what's up!
 
Super that there is improvenment and hopefully you can get the back feeling better too! no change to saddle fit i assume?
 
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