Horse Slaughter...

I agree with you on this GT I would much rather horses were slaughtered in the uk its the live export of horses for slaughter overseas that sickens me
 
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So with the option of euthanasia at home or at a Veterinary Surgery why would anyone choose to send their horse(sick or well) to a slaughter house?

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I think you're being a little bit niaive (sp). I have a friend who breeds commercially. When one of her brood mares became infertile off to Mr Potters she went. Not all animals are pets, and cheaper and more viable options for disposal have to be available.
 
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, I am with GTs and Tia on this. If these people who write such drivel actually knew the truth (and had been to an english abattoir) then maybe I would bother reading it. Horses have a dignified and humane end whenever I have been to the abattoir, perpetuating such rubbish will not dispense of animal cruelty - just add to it.
 
I'm all for banning live export but horse slaughtering is a necessary procedure. Far rather its done on british soil where it's very well regulated than anywhere else.
Most of ours go to Potters, even much loved friends that have been with us for many years. It's not 'undignified' or 'cruel', its just a different way of having them pts without the expense and legal issues.
At the end of the day its a personal choice.
 
Although I believe it's illegal, certainly horses are exported which end up going for slaughter and that's something we should aim to stop, we should also aim to stop the appalling treatment across Europe of some horses heading for foreign slaughter houses.

Banning the slaughter of horses in the UK would surely be counter productive to this.

I haven't been to Potters, but have never heard bad things about it. I often see herds of hill ponies which are being fattened in local fields which are destined for Potters, and think it's probably the best place for them. They would be unsuitable for most jobs, and have been bred for meat. They also are certainly not suffering living in lush pastures as a large herd for a few months.
Ban indescriminate breeding, but don't deflect from real issues by banning slaughter (whatever the heck that means)

Prior to evangelising about this and getting all hot under the collar, I think it would be useful to understand the law regarding slaughter. (I don't) I believe that it is illegal to export horses live to the continent for slaughter..... so what is it you are seeking to ban?
Additionally the information quoted in this petition is clearly cut and pasted from websites relating to the US and European situation, so I don't understand the relevance to UK slaughterhouses. When has a double decker container of horses toppled over onto cars in the UK? What Federal law exists in the UK, please read the stuff which is quoted before posting it.
 
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Kosher Slaughter House
This has not been posted for shock value
This is from Iowa, US ,BUT I hope it shows that the following is not necessarily to be believed---
quote:'From what I am led to believe, the whole point of these types of killing is that peace and harmony surrounds the animal before it's throat is slit. '

If you watch it all you can see how long the animal lives post throat slitting, I do not call this peace and harmony

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&Player=wm&speed=_med
 
'So with the option of euthanasia at home or at a Veterinary Surgery why would anyone choose to send their horse(sick or well) to a slaughter house?

Which option would you choose and why ?'

Neither, I would use the hunt at home and ask them to dispose of the carcass, ecologically the best possible outcome, failing that I would use Potters. Paying to incinerate a perfectly useable carcass seems like madness to me.
 
this again....................

you are completely missing the entire point of animal welfare and you are promoting mis-truths.
None of your pictures or facts are from the UK for a start. Have you ever been to a UK slaughter house - have you followed horses through? Pretty - no (death never is) - inhumane - certainly not. They do a nasty job very well.

Neglect and animal transportation is where you should be putting your efforts into not into an area which is necessary to reduce the levels of neglect and the amount of time animals travel.
 
Another option yes, may I ask if this method involves money changing hands?
The way I'm understanding this topic is that:

An owner pays a vet/cremation for the service, about £400 in my case.

A horse slaughterers pays the owner for the carcass, I've heard you will be paid £650 for a Thoroughbred but correct me if I'm wrong, this is new to me

So is a hunt disposal free or not?Is the horse dead or alive when they collect, i.e do they shoot at the yard or on hunt premises?
 
Hunt disposal - minimal charge, PTS at the yard, in its own home with a bucket of feed, then taken to the kennels.

Slaughter house - they pay you for the horse which they PTS there, currently approx £340

Vet and cremation, don't know, but think it can be a good deal more than £400, method is usually injection, those who are squeamish seem to prefer this method.
 
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re 'method is usually injection, those who are squeamish seem to prefer this method. '

I chose this option! Am I included in screamish category?!

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Caz sadly remembers all the de maggoting of rabbits bums and holding the guts in of a live RTA cat or 2 or 3 and never fogetting holding a beating heart
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etcetc during life as a vet nurse

screamish my a****
 
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I have not signed the petition and I hope it never gets to the PM. The fact that since 1st August 2007 (6 months ago) only 42 people have signed it, and I would imagine it has been toted around every horse forum going, shows that it is a bad idea. Lets hope the govenment can see that too.

I fully support horse slaughter and I have taken my horses to be slaughtered when it was the best thing to do.

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Well im sorry but you are very mistaken. The petition was set up on the 14th JANUARY 2007. Get your facts right if you are going to slate it. The deadline for the petition is the 1st August 2007. You said it has been going since 1st August 2007? IT IS ONLY JUST 2007. Sorry but if you are going to be so aggressive towards it, at least dont say things that are very untrue.
 
Why do you keep insisting people are being aggressive? I have seen no signs of ANY aggression from other people on this thread....merely people giving a different opinion to yours. Your responses are the only ones which are verging on becoming "excitable".
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Get your facts right if you are going to slate it.

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....and without appearing "aggressive", perhaps you should take your own advice? The link you showed was about banning slaughterhouse in the UK, however all the "evidence" you have quoted or shown is based in Europe and the States.
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I think banning horse slaughter would be a very bad thing indeed. Yes the pictures are horrendous to look at but then what do people expect the inside of a slaughterhouse to look like and these are clearly the very worst pictures and not representative of the industry.

I agree there should be more local slaughterhouses for all livestock but the government have in their wisdom made it harder to operate one and many smaller ones just can't afford to continue.

In my mind efficient slaughter at a well run slaughterhouse is preferable to an indefinite life of suffering.
 
Read your post again - you are asking us to sign a petition to ban slaughterhouses in the UK.......the posts about Europe and the States are totally irrelevant to your intentions.

What goes on elsewhere in the world is NOT relevant to your petition.
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Yes but tia...the petition is for those who WANT to sign it. I understand there are many people who do not want to sign it. That is absolutely fine. Im not asking you to.

Slaughter is the same, no matter what country it is. I have not been trying to provide "evidence". Just some photos. I never said they were "evidence".
 
Im not coming back to argue my point....im going to leave it here now for anyone who wants to look and sign. I didnt start the thread for a debate
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So take care! Im sure i will see you around the forum
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Slaughter is the same, no matter what country it is.

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Then without appearing condescending; I think you have lived a truly sheltered life if you can believe that comment. Slaughter is definitely not the same regardless of which country it is done in.........and I think you will find that this is the MAIN reason for people not signing your petition. Once slaughter is moved offshore......your horses are in BIG trouble.
 
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