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I got a new horse and last night when asking for trot she 'humped' her back and kept threatening to buck until she got herself soo worked up she took off.
It's evident there is a balance problem she's fine in walk but as soon as I aid her for trot she becomes soo annoyed and wants to run off so she humps her back and threatens to buck.
Shes had her back, teeth, tack fitted 😊
All her tack has been changed as the previous tack was not suitable.
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Did you use the same saddle you used when you tried her?

I would check that the saddle is not rocking or pinching as you rise. Even if sitting, a trot must more shock through the saddle.
 
The saddle she came with I have a saddle fitter check it and she said it was not a good fit for her and was causing pinching, so we tried a variety of saddles and now she's in a low profile dressage saddle which according the saddler is a good fit
 
ester said:
No I meant did you take bloods at vetting for storage/later testing
Why did you test for EMS and cushings?
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Because I've recently lost a horse to laminitis and couldn't go through it again with another one if at that time they were presenting levels of ems or cushings, she's overweight and a cob x fresian
She had the normal liver and kidney function bloods done a came back fine
 
OldNag said:
Is this behaviour all since the new saddle?
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The threatening to buck - yes, but the trying to anticipate transitions - no!
When I tried her she went from a really bad trot straight Into not even canter just taking off I would describe it, she's always anticipating any transitions above a walk like she just wants to go
 
Katiesmum said:
Because I've recently lost a horse to laminitis and couldn't go through it again with another one if at that time they were presenting levels of ems or cushings, she's overweight and a cob x fresian
She had the normal liver and kidney function bloods done a came back fine
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Did they also take bloods to check for doping?
 
Katiesmum said:
The threatening to buck - yes, but the trying to anticipate transitions - no!
When I tried her she went from a really bad trot straight Into not even canter just taking off I would describe it, she's always anticipating any transitions above a walk like she just wants to go, she's fine on the lunge line I will add
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Red-1 said:
I would have a second check with the saddle, new saddle and that behaviour is usually more than a coincidence IME.

The threatening to buck yes I agree with a second opinion however I'm wondering why she wants to run off with any transition except walk
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Katiesmum said:
The threatening to buck - yes, but the trying to anticipate transitions - no!
When I tried her she went from a really bad trot straight Into not even canter just taking off I would describe it, she's always anticipating any transitions above a walk like she just wants to go
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Ah, so she did similar when you tried her?

I have known horses like this when they have been over held at the front end and have had no relief from pressure when they do slow down. They end up very tense and no longer slow down as they are tense and know they get no relief from slowing.

It is a re-school job.

I would engage a good trainer.

A good trainer will also be able to give views on saddle fit/soundness etc.and advise if they think a saddler or vet is required.
 
Yes, a horse going wrong after a while in a new home is a big flag for possible pain killing meds in the previous home, that is why I was asking about bloods. It is usual to take them for a 5 stage vetting and just store them for testing later if required.

However the saddle timing seems likely significant too.
 
OldNag said:
It is not unknown for horses with a physical issue causing pain to be doped - hence taking bloods which can be run later if this is suspected.
Not saying this is what has happened here, but it does go on.
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I'll speak to my own vet but I can't see this being the issue.
Shes been vetted and rechecked on arrival
 
Red-1 said:
Ah, so she did similar when you tried her?

I have known horses like this when they have been over held at the front end and have had no relief from pressure when they do slow down. They end up very tense and no longer slow down as they are tense and know they get no relief from slowing.

It is a re-school job.

I would engage a good trainer.
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YES!!
This is what I thought. Because on the ground she's learning the pressure and release and I would say she's doing fantastic.
However when I watched the previous girl ride her, she had a hard contact and very short reins with a heavy 3 ring gag
 
Katiesmum said:
YES!!
This is what I thought. Because on the ground she's learning the pressure and release and I would say she's doing fantastic.
However when I watched the previous girl ride her, she had a hard contact and very short reins with a heavy 3 ring gag
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I have reschooled 3 like this, but it was a fair long job, with set backs on the way. Plus, even when they go nicely for you they will be forever likely to regress if someone gets on and takes a hard hold.
 
Red-1 said:
I have reschooled 3 like this, but it was a fair long job, with set backs on the way. Plus, even when they go nicely for you they will be forever likely to regress if someone gets on and takes a hard hold.
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Yes definately.
Sometimes giving her a long rein she see's it as losing contact
 
The idea is to help them to understand to take the contact, so they can hold some contact but know how to react when the contact is increased, as in to relax to pressure rather than harden to it. They can't learn this on a loose rein.

I would do this on the floor to start with, then have 2 people so one on the floor and one riding, mainly at walk, halt and reverse. I would not trot at all until she understands this.

I would suspect that you think she is OK at walk as the system is not under pressure.

When starting trot we would just do a few strides and back to walk so the horse does not build up a head of steam.

As I said, I would get a good trainer, who chan check the physical horse/saddle and then help to teach the correct responses.
 
Red-1 said:
The idea is to help them to understand to take the contact, so they can hold some contact but know how to react when the contact is increased, as in to relax to pressure rather than harden to it. They can't learn this on a loose rein.

I would do this on the floor to start with, then have 2 people so one on the floor and one riding, mainly at walk, halt and reverse. I would not trot at all until she understands this.

I would suspect that you think she is OK at walk as the system is not under pressure.

When starting trot we would just do a few strides and back to walk so the horse does not build up a head of steam.

As I said, I would get a good trainer, who chan check the physical horse/saddle and then help to teach the correct responses.
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I agree! But she also done it with the trainer last night
 
If she wasn’t bucking with the old saddle but is with the new one definitely get it checked again. As for everything else, sounds like she needs re-starting, which you can’t be surprised about given your description of what she was like when you tried her. How old is she? Do you have the experience and time to re-school her?
 
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