Horse trailers of Europe (Will they come here?)

cp1980

Well-Known Member
Joined
29 May 2005
Messages
585
Location
Birmingham (Lancs originally)
Visit site
Having an interest in horses and a background in engineering I have a bit of a trainspotter obsession with horseboxes. Anyway, whilst doing a bit of "trainspotting" I have noticed that trailers on the continent are often lighter than the ones in the UK.

Indeed, if you go on the Ifor Williams french website (I am that sad), their French model versions are much lighter and have lower capacities than UK versions - although they do seem pretty much the same and, to be honest, are expected to do the same job. The old French IW website even had a photo of an old VW Beetle towing a horse trailer!

I had a chat once with a bloke from Ifor Williams and he said that towing rules are much stricter on the continent and that the weights you can tow tend to be quite low.

So, for single horse trailers there are several trailers on the market that are quite lightweight and some of them look quite smart:

plus_van_tracte02.jpg


This one has a monocoque body made out of a fibreglass composite and, even with four wheels, has an empty wight of about 500 kgs. With a 550 kg horse and 50 kg food and water, the loaded box could be towed by a medium sized family car, such as in this photo.

Given the liklihood that green taxes will be introduced by a Conservative government, reducing the economic viability of running 4x4s etc, could these lightweight trailers find a market here in the UK?

Personally, I think many would be worried about safety as they do look narrow and a family car won't offer the oomph of a 4x4. However, given that these seem to be accepted on the continent and that modern cars are much chunkier and stronger than those build ten years ago, these fears could be well mitigated.

Ultimately, economic and political factors will push people into abondoning large cars and 4x4s and many will have no alternative but to move their horses around in lightweight combinations such as this.

In a generation, heavy cars may not be availible.

plus_van_tracte05.jpg
 
They do a lot of things in Europe we can't do here that's why they still have thriving rural communities !
I'd be interested in hearing some answers because as you say 4X4 are so frowned upon by those greenies who live in towns and don't need them (Where as I need one just to get up my driveway!
grin.gif
grin.gif
)
 
Interesting. TBH though I think it depends on where these are towed with regards to what can pull them. I can imagine any non-4x4 would not cope pulling this up some of our Scottish hills for example! And also we need our 4x4 anyway for the winters.

However, I think it would be a great option for those who don't need a 4x4 and would certainly help the environment.

My only worry with them being so light is what happens in winds? Wouldn't they move about far more?
 
Have remember that many countries have higher environmental taxes in place than the UK and we still transport horses around just fine.

4 x 4s here are very rare as they just arent financially viable so lighter trailers are common place as is towing with "normal" family cars (very rare do you see horse boxes and they tend to be reserved for the very very wealthy... you just wont get away with driving old, dirty wagons here)

Personally, i think environmental taxes are long over due in the UK, particularly in regards to vehicles.
 
Interestingly though, there are parts of scandinavia that suffer much heavier snowfall and again, environmental tax on vehicles is high making 4 x 4s very rare. That doesnt particularly apply to denmark as while we do have high snowfall, we're generally rather flat. But start looking at our neighbours and you're looking at hillier terrain than scotland.
 
[ QUOTE ]

My only worry with them being so light is what happens in winds? Wouldn't they move about far more?

[/ QUOTE ]

I think if they are engineered well, with an aerodynamic body (esp. on the sides) and good suspension, then sidewinds should be no more of a problem than with a traditional/conventional double trailer. This one does look a bit basic, but I don't really know what the suspension is like.

With regards to taxing 4x4s, my personal opinion is that road pricing is the way forward; a black box recording what roads are travelled down and for how long. So a 4x4 user in the hills of Scotland should pay a negligible amount and a poluting car* user in a city should be charged more than if they took the family by bus.

(* not all 4x4s are more poluting than other types of car, and I wish people would take this into consideration a little more)

Of course, the broader issue is that the price of oil is continually increasing so regardless of the environmental issues, the days of the internal combustion engine are numbered. Electic-hybrid vehicles won't be up to towing much (they will be lightweight and "nippy"), so the sooner we start moving towards a solution for horse transportation the better. Equestrianism as we know it is in danger if we don't move with the times.

Anyway, here is another few designs for your delectation:

http://www.anhaenger-guer.de/html/pony.html
http://www.barthau.de/_media_we/14_pferde-transporter/pdf/14a_Einpferdeanhaenger_mit_Plane.pdf
 
That's interesting as we had a livery at our yard who had a Cheval Liberte trailer. She pulled it with a little 2 door Pinin she had a 14.2 pony so suppose all the weights were OK.

Must admit the trailer looked tiny from the outside but was a bit like a Tardis! When you got in it seemed to grow! It had front and rear load/unload and was about half the price of an ifor Williams. Don't think I would want to put my big cob in it though somehow it just didn't look strong enough?? The again suppose they are used OK on the continent and for big horses, maybe it's just what we are used to seeing more substantial trailers here in the UK ?
 
Interesting thread.
We see many combinations like the one in your first picture, pulled by what seems like a very small car,in this area, Fautras is king!, and they have a trailer to meet every criteria.
Says me, the proud owner of an imported Bateson, long story.Agree that most people use trailers, unless they are a Club or Ferme equestre with lots of equnes to take out and about.Trailer laws are much tighter as well, the trailer has to have its own number plate and carte grise, which WILL be checked by the Gendarmes on random roads checks!
 
I have a Henra trailer, they are dutch and I wouldnt want a british one now. I can travel two 17.2's with space to spare, I use one of those dreaded 4x4's a 22 year old landrover 90 (ex MOD).
 
[ QUOTE ]
Interesting thread.
We see many combinations like the one in your first picture, pulled by what seems like a very small car

[/ QUOTE ]

This bodes well for the future of equestrianism in a future non-4x4 world. To be fair, small car these days are bigger than a generation ago. That is a Renault Megane and I think it has a kerb (empty weight) of about 1350 kg. A horse and trailer like that would be about 1100 kg, so it won't have to tow more than approx 80% of it's kerb weight. The golden rule of towing is not to exceed 85%, so it is within what is considered the factor of safety.

I suppose if we do have to change over to more modest tow vehicles, showgrounds and event fields will have to have some sort of temporary surface put down on tracks and gateways to avoid anything getting stuck in mud.

I have to say, I am very impressed with the international flavour of posters to this thread! And I am also very impressed with the positive and well considered posts in general. I was expecting to get lynched for daring to suggest you can tow without a 4x4 ;-)

grin.gif
 
Have to say, round here, I wouldnt fancy towing WITHOUT a quatre quatre, 4 x 4. You should see the size of the hills!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Have to say, round here, I wouldnt fancy towing WITHOUT a quatre quatre, 4 x 4. You should see the size of the hills!

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course, certain areas would definately need a vehcile that can provide lots of traction!
 
So when abroad, what trailer would someone use if they had 2 horses? All these seem to be built for the single pony owner?
 
Well they use double trailes, of course.

My point is that lightweight single horse trailers seem more acceptable/common on the contitent than here in blighty - and that such trailers would be practical when it becomes impractical/uneconomical to run a 4x4 etc.
 
I'd be more interested in how to change by motor to 'green fuels' such as vegetable oils, but without the knowledge or money to spend on buying a new motor should my present one blow up, I can't risk it.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'd be more interested in how to change by motor to 'green fuels' such as vegetable oils, but without the knowledge or money to spend on buying a new motor should my present one blow up, I can't risk it.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can actually buy kits to convert diesel engines to run on veg oil. Only cost about £500 I think. They would be handy to have fitted to an old diesel lorry or 4x4 I think (they look heath robinson, IMO) - but would a government be able to distinguish between a 4x4 running oil-based diesel or a green fuel when it comes to higher road taxes? I hope they will...
crazy.gif
 
Top