Horse Trust.....reply to "rescue sites" Email

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This is an email i received from the Horse Trust...its a generic reply, sent to "members" of a "rescue site"..as the particular "rescue site" sent several complaints to the HT regarding the Horsemart article I put on here last week.....

Sadly, this particular site is, as usual, totally missing the overall point...even blaming members of H&H for the Horse Trust article....

the email...

Thanks for your email in response to our recent press release warning people of the pitfalls of purchasing ponies over the internet



The Horse Trust appreciates you want to save horses from the meat trade and agrees that the way in which these ponies are often bred, treated and then sent to slaughter can be horrific.



We want to ensure that if people purchase horses from this avenue that they do it wisely and fully understand the responsibility that they will be taking on and can manage the horse, for example, both financially and behaviourally otherwise the horse may have an uncertain future.



We believe it is vital for people to inspect any pony which they purchase to ensure they have the necessary expertise, resources and time to care for that animal. Many people who are drawn into the emotion of saving a pony from certain death make the decision to purchase it based on sentiment and do not seek out the facts.



The decision to purchase any pony should be determined by balancing the needs of the pony with the capabilities and resources of the potential owner. What happens all too often is that the “rescued” pony finds itself in another desperate situation with an owner who is not capable of meeting its needs and in actual fact it is then far from being saved.



If members of the public want the live export of horses for slaughter to end there are better ways of contributing to this process than buying horses destined for slaughter.



It is necessary to look at the issue long term and not to become too emotionally attached to the individual horses involved. By purchasing animals in this trade, people are contributing to the supply and demand mechanism of the trade.



If the farmers realise, which they do, that there is an increased demand for these types of ponies they will breed more of them, and the actual number destined for the meat lorry will be the same.



The purchaser of the animal may feel they have saved the horse - and in many ways they have - but it is unlikely that it will have reduced the actual number of horses going to slaughter through this channel. People are ensuring the cycle continues by contributing towards the supply and demand economics of the business.



Better ways to help reduce or ideally stop this trade altogether are to lobby for a change in the law to stop horses being exported for slaughter, for stricter enforcement of the transport regulations, animal welfare act and tripartite agreement. This would therefore not aid the meat trade, but would better safeguard the horses within the trade. Most animal welfare organisations would not be opposed to horses being sold for meat - what the organisations are opposed to is the health and welfare of horses being compromised by this trade, particularly through transportation.



These internet websites prey on peoples’ emotions and animal loving instincts and encourage the purchase of horses destined for the meat trade. The not-for-profit status of an organisation can only be verified if they make their accounts available to the public, as is the case with registered charities.



I apologise if what has been written by The Horse Trust has offended you. The Horse Trust cares passionately about the health and welfare of horses.



We feel it is important to take a long term view of the live export of horses for slaughter. It is impossible to “save” all the horses concerned and by doing so we would be helping the very people who compromise the health and welfare of horses.



The Horse Trust, as an animal welfare charity, is working hard to promote the improvement of health and welfare standards within the trade and to stop the root causes of welfare concern through the measures suggested above.



The Horse Trust would like to persuade people that if they want to “rescue” a pony, they would be better served to do so through a registered charity in the UK, which in turn would create a space for another animal which is in need of specialised care. Rescuing French meat horses will not reduce the numbers destined for this end.



We may not agree on this issue but we conversely share the same compassionate concern for horse welfare. I am happy to discuss this issue with you further, if you so wish.







Regards

Rebecca Evans
Equine Welfare and Grants Manager



The Horse Trust

"Welfare Through Knowledge"



as you can see, it makes interesting reading...

JM
 
Seems like a very sensible reply to me. If only the people on these 'rescue sites' would actually take note of whats being said.

Maybe seeing that the big equine welfare groups are standing united on this, they will realise that they are in the minority and actually think about the bigger picture they are creating.....Maybe??
 
I don't understand what people could complain about
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It really is common sense that purchasing these horses funds the purchase of more horses...surely?!
 
Fantastic response from the Horse Trust....I fear however that the "rescue" sites will still not take heed.

Surely you still get a good feeling from re homing a horse from a UK charity therefore making room for more horses to be helped and not for dealers to buy more meat chain horses
 
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I totally agree Weezy but then these people are lacking in common sense.

Brilliant response from HT I guess the only problem is whether they actually listen this time or carry on blinkered - the 'rescue sites' that is!
 
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I totally agree Weezy but then these people are lacking in common sense.

Brilliant response from HT I guess the only problem is whether they actually listen this time or carry on blinkered - the 'rescue sites' that is!

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I fear the blinkered approach will be the order of the day.
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An excellent and well reasoned response from the Horse Trust. Thank you for the update JM07.

I would be interested to know the 'rescue sites' response to this - if they disagree, on which points and what is the basis of their counter argument.

Edited to add: I want to put something along these lines on the new horse site; the question is, do I go to people like The Horse Trust/the WHW and ask for suitable wording, or approach the smaller organizations, or all of them? Thoughts if any spare would be good - I don't want to derail this thread though, so if people could pm that would be great. Ta.
 
I have read the responses sent to the Horse Trust from one of the 'rescue' sites.
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They seem to be still insisting that the French horses going for meat travel for days and days to Italy, when in fact a journey from the furthest point (NW) of France to the abattoirs in the South of Italy takes only 24 hours (the limit time).

The meat prices from the Italian abattoirs are currently on a par with the meat prices in France, so no producer is going to send horses on a long journey when his returns will be less.

It is the Eastern Bloc horses that suffer, as there are only a handful of abattoirs licensed for horses across that region. Buying horses from bin-end French dealers, because that's what they are, makes no impact on the horses that suffer the journeys that the campaigns are about.
It does unfortunately serve to encourage the dealer to look for more damaged equines to send to the UK, keeping them alive when the kindest act would be to have their life ended.
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They say that the horses available from charities in the UK are in the main companions or unrideable (70% was the figure she used, so I'll take that as read for the purpose of this post). I'd say that comment applies equally to the majority of horse bought via these sites.

From the 600+ imported, there are less than 10% of the purchasers defending their corner. And one of them is a dealer. And within that 10% several of these horses are unrideable, due to being injured, aged or unsuitable of temperament.

One phrase did make me laugh though.
Someone compares the lack of success in trying to stop the trade in women being trafficked for prostitution to lorryloads of horses going for meat.
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Given that the former is illegal and thereby has NO regulation whatsoever, I'd say it's a bit of a dodgy parallel.
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Mostly though, the site posters are complaining that the Horse Trust didn't answer their allegations.
Having read the (long and turgid) emotional nonsense spouted on these mails, I can't say I blame them.
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Well done the Horse Trust. We know that the other major welfare associations feel the same. Lets hope their press releases follow soon.
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The trouble could be, Weezy, that these so-called horse rescue sites do not always place horse welfare above personal financial considerations.
To date, as far as I am aware, none of them are registered charities, and even if they claim to be 'not for profit', this means very little (look into registering if you don't believe me) in terms of transparency of accounting procedures.
I suspect that certain individuals have a vested interest in promoting the trade, in the same way that any other dealer does.
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Thanks for the up-date.
Maybe if 'they' see the same message coming from so many different sources, the message will start to get through. Although I do wonder how many will actually read it. Is this e-mail copied on any of the 'rescue' sites? Or has it been sent to their moderator, who presumably made the complaint?
 
An email was sent from a journalist to the person running ES.

It contained a copy of the statement from the Horse Trust, and asked for their comments.

They were not happy at someone trying to pop their little self-congratulatory bubble.
 
I have not looked at any of the rescue sites, as I have no interest in rescuing a horse, but that is a superb reply by the HT.

The problem is; trying to apply common sense and logic to an emotional argument is never going to work. We all know that the money spent on these horses would be much better contributed to campaigns that are working hard to stop live transportation, but people feel they are actually 'doing good' which appeases their consciences...until the horse arrives and then reality kicks in BIG TIME.
 
it was sent to my personal AND works email...as i made a "complaint" to the Horse Trust because a certain site was blustering about Horse Trusts article posted on Horsemart..which i put on here last week..

it is a generic reply..one i'm assuming was receieved by anyone who emailed the HT over the article..as i received it via 2 separate email addy's..

i am unable to access any of these so-called "rescue" sites as, unsurprisingly, i don't hold the same view as them..

i just find it quite sad really that STILL these sites just continue to blindly carry on and intentionally or un-intentionally, totally miss the whole point.
 
Fantastic response from the Horse Trust....I fear however that the "rescue" sites will still not take heed.

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Surely you still get a good feeling from re homing a horse from a UK charity therefore making room for more horses to be helped and not for dealers to buy more meat chain horses

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I think a lot of people see french meat farmers as 'really horrible' whereas UK rescues from centres are already in a nice place. however we know that all english people are not nice!

Having read that article that ERF

'And she said: “To say we are fuelling that trade, is similar to saying that anyone who purchases an animal from market in the UK, out bidding the meat man, is also involved in the trade.”'

do you feel involved in the trade JM? do you (plural ie everyone!) think that buy removing UK ponies from the meat chain people are encourgaing the breeding of more?
 
Of course i'm involved to a certain extent Theresa...

i buy from sales/markets/horse fairs.....

i dont get involved in bidding against "meat-men" TBH..

they tend to stick together..and buy different types TBH..
 
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I imagine you pay less than the meat price a lot of the time, JM?

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no, i just don't buy the sh1t anymore..the meat man is welcome to them.
 
'HALLELUJAH'. Proof that there IS intelligent life out there
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. The Franch coastline is being eroded, slowly but surely
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These 'rescuers' really don't get it do they?

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The problem is that, as humans, we all have this inbuilt knee jerk reaction to act without thinking things through.

How often have we seen a dress or a pair of shoes, and bought on impulse without trying, only to find that the dress looks hideous on us/the shoes don't fit...

I honestly believe that the people who buy these horses unseen, have their hearts in the right places, but it is so easy to be swayed by the emotional wording used.
The sites use wording like 'Save XXXX from slaughter - only four days left' (for example), and well meaning people don't have time to think things through properly.

It's hard to see the bigger picture, when you are acting on instinct, and I really think the way forward is to educate and inform these people.

Easier said than done though, when those who are organising the sale of these equines, en masse, are banning or gagging anybody who asks awkward questions, from their sites...
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no, i just don't buy the sh1t anymore..the meat man is welcome to them.

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Ah right, thanks. Kinda goes to show how overpriced the 'rescues' are then.........
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no, i just don't buy the sh1t anymore..the meat man is welcome to them.

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Ah right, thanks. Kinda goes to show how overpriced the 'rescues' are then.........
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overpriced is an understatement GTF
 
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It's hard to see the bigger picture, when you are acting on instinct, and I really think the way forward is to educate and inform these people.

Easier said than done though, when those who are organising the sale of these equines, en masse, are banning or gagging anybody who asks awkward questions, from their sites...

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I agree Dubs, education is the key, trouble is, they work on raw emotion, try and have a debate with them and they become very defensive - one wrong word and *poof* your gone from the site.

I got banned for suggesting that Devils Claw would not be enough to help a horse with severe navicular.
 
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