Horse whisperers - do you believe?

fburton said:
It's fair to criticize scientists and other people for their narrow and dogmatic views; it's quite another thing to slam the process of science which did, after all, get to the truth of the matter eventually. If you are against the way science works (and I believe it does work!), that is a whole other discussion.

Thanks, I would be interested to see that!
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I have no intention of slamming the whole scientific process, but do have a problem with not comparing like with like. My own experiences of "communication", with survivors of trauma, was not based on a random meeting with them, it was within an attachment based therapeutic process, when I knew the "subject" and they knew me. To try and suggest that this can be proved or disproved by randomly describing a hundred strangers kitchen work tops, is to miss the point entirely, and frankly quite insulting to those people I have shared the experience with.
I can't find my dissertation stuff with the references in it at the moment, but will dig them out later today.
 
YorksG said:
I have no intention of slamming the whole scientific process, but do have a problem with not comparing like with like. My own experiences of "communication", with survivors of trauma, was not based on a random meeting with them, it was within an attachment based therapeutic process, when I knew the "subject" and they knew me. To try and suggest that this can be proved or disproved by randomly describing a hundred strangers kitchen work tops, is to miss the point entirely, and frankly quite insulting to those people I have shared the experience with.
I can't find my dissertation stuff with the references in it at the moment, but will dig them out later today.
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It would indeed have been insulting if I had actually done that. You referenced the kitchen worktop incident as a separate thing from your trauma incidents. I responded on both points separately, I did not connect the two. Only you have done that.

I'm off now to Google brain to brain communication in mothers and their babies. I really hope there will be something in that one, because the bond between a mother and child can be so strong..
 
ycbm said:
It would indeed have been insulting if I had actually done that. You referenced the kitchen worktop incident as a separate thing from your trauma incidents. I responded on both points separately, I did not connect the two. Only you have done that.

I'm off now to Google brain to brain communication in mothers and their babies. I really hope there will be something in that one, because the bond between a mother and child can be so strong..
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The three examples appeared to me to be obviously linked by context, given the circumstances. I had described about trauma survivors.
I would suggest that you begin with Charles Bowlby junior and work outwards from there, for interesting discussion around primary care givers communication with infants.
 
That's all getting quite technical...but to add my tuppence worth....I'm slightly doubtful about the "I need a new numnah and can I only go to shows if they're on a Friday please" variety of whisperer - although I have seen enough odd stuff never to totally rule anything out - but as far as I can see there are certainly folk out there with an "enhanced" gift for communicating across species....
 
fatpiggy said:
The subject of dowsing is rather interesting. Where I grew up in Cornwall we had a local dowser who would locate springs for the farmers etc and he could predict flow rate etc. He spent many years doing it and everyone recommended Don because he got the results. He blew up old mine chimneys as well as a sideline. A very good friend of mine recently retired from working for local authority as a civil engineer. He had his degree in that plus another in Environmental Geology. He regularly dowsed for hidden utilities pipes/lines on ground being prepared for redevelopment where the plans had been lost and it was cheaper and quicker than more "scientific" methods. He can't explain how it works either, but he got the results and so that was all that mattered. I had a go with dowsing rods once and I have to say it was WEIRD. I was blindfolded, turned around a good few times and then sent off to locate something. As I stepped close to the target, those blasted rods gently turned in my hands, and back again as I stepped back and away. I tried it several times, coming in from different directions, always blindfold and got it right every time. My degree is in Geology and I can't explain it but I know what I experienced and it quite spooked me.
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I've dowsed for years and you have no control over those blasted rods!! they just do it.

When I wanted a borehole installed I dowsed and also the firm drilling it dowsed for the best place. I dowsed over it before drilling with my own rod to see the reaction for such a large known volume of water. Then the firm came back to drill. The dowser told me to try his rod over the site. His rod had a large ball of isopon at the tip. He knew what was going to happen but I didn't. His rod was so energised as he was such a professional that when I used it it reacted by not only going up to the water but hitting me very firmly in the face with the ball of isopon. Took a while for him to stop laughing at my expense. How a rod could be so energised by someone I have no idea but I was never able to get that reaction from my own rod. Scientifically that cannot make sense.
 
DTV said:
Oh yes i believe.But I also believe the world is flat,Elvis is alive and honest politician's exist.Livery had one come out the other week.She hangs on her every word.Amongst the stunning revelations were things like,horse A wants a certain colour halter,horse B wants a certain colour rug,etc.But the one that really promoted my best John Cleese wide eyed stare was the fact that my gelding was taking the mickey out of her gelding over the fence.WHAAAAT!!!.How exactly?.'You look like a Filly in that purple rug',Who cut your mane?,it looks silly','Your bum's so big it blocks out the sun'.LOL.So errrr NO!.Ok for a bit of fun,but i can think of more productive (and fun) ways of blowing £60!.
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