Horse Wide And Weak Behind

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Hi,

I'm having a few problems with my mare (please prepare for a lot of waffle!). She is currently 7 and I have owned her since she was 4. I have come to write this post after having continuous instruction for a week where the trainer said that she thought her movement was a result of discomfort.

She has always seen a chiro every 5-6 months since I owned her, as I do with all of mine but especially for her. It was a dodgey sale with an even dodgier vetting which ended in me buying a mare that was a year younger than her passport stated with a few other niggles that weren't picked up. She had won a BE80 and was BSJA registered by this point which would have meant she had done all this as a 3 yr old.

She has been reluctant to jump since the day I brought her home and has a spectacular "dirty stop". Her confidence doesn't appear to be affected much by the height or look of the jump although she is generally quite spooky. I sent her to a local showjumper and they called me a week later to come and pick her up as she was only good for hacking or dog food! She was worse than ever when she came back as I think they had tried to bully her (worse decision I have ever made!) so I gave her a year off jumping.

I had her back x-rayed which showed that two spinal processes had touched but now appeared to be well spaced. The vet attributed this to her shortness of back but had then begun to lengthen as she got older so didn't see a problem or soreness going forward. She gets sore episodes through her back which are usually sorted quickly by the chiro.

Over the last 18 months or so she began to lose some of her fancy WB movement, especially collection, and started swinging from the hip instead of bending her hocks. She will not engage from behind and whilst we have been very successful a prelim level dressage, her lack of engagement and collection at novice level means that we are missing out on a good placing. Her conformation has levelled out now so isn't built so downhill but she is very "goose-rumped" with a steep slope from her croup to the top of her tail.

Her jumping is quite dangerous because of the stopping but once she has been over a fence once she will usually jump it again without issue and seems to really enjoy it once she is away. She was particularly sore a few weeks ago and has lost a bit of muscle behind the wither. I had the chiro out but this time she has remained quite sore so will need more treatment but I need to find the reason why and I have a feeling everything is related.

Does anyone have any similar experiences and did you find out the reason why? How are pelvis issues diagnosed and treated?

Thanks for putting up with my rambling to the end but I do feel that all her issues are connected.

Cheers!
 

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Not sure I can offer much help from a veterinary perspective, but just wanted to say my friend acquired a mare like this some 20 years ago (so vet knowledge not as advanced as it is now) that had been jumped and hunted as a 2-3yo. They gave her loads of time to mature after buying her supposedly as a 5yo and finding out she was actually 3, but she was quite weak until she was in her teens (very long backed, but also quite goose rumped at the same time) She was quite a good hunter but never really jumped much in the school - she would stop and fly buck on the way in. She was a great hack and when strong enough ideal for the heavy novice men in my friend's riding school. Again chiro knowledge was not up to much in those days so I would think a good chiro would be able to help yours quite a lot, but if you have the cash it might be worth a second opinion from a really good vet with an interest in performance issues.
 

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reading this could have been me writing this regarding my WB x boy. After being at trainers today.....supposedly for lesson, he just would not go forward.. all very stilted, and no movement in shoulders etc or bounce. So instead, we done a lamesness work out. She has found issues with front feet, no support for his heels etc, so farrier out tomorrow to recifiy this. He also is wide behind, but as he is crossed with Standardbred, we feel that this is why. I had a full SB (his half sister) so realise this is one of their traits. I have been lunging him with a elastic tail bandage going around his back legs and fixing to roller each side, to remind him to bring legs under him. But until his front feet are sorted, i will have to wait to try it again. He is due at vets on friday for jabs and teeth, as he has unerupted wolf tooth. Throughout this year, i thought he was having saddle issues, but now feel guilty that it was probably his feet all along. Just goes to show.....do not just trust your farrier to do the job, keep checking. Seems to be he has put shorter shoes on to prevent him pulling them off.
 

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Agree with sbts, I'd want a full work up for this horse. Ive seen similar issues stemming from hock issues so might also look at the hindlegs (spavins/psd) as well as SI and front feet. Little bit surprised this hasn't been suggested by your vet already given all the trouble you've had?
 

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The first thing that comes to mind is hock issues. I would get them xrayed and an ultrasound done on the ligaments. Both of these can usually be done on your yard and are relatively inexpensive. If these are clear then I would get a lamness work up with nerve blocks etc. If nothing shows up and she is insured, I would get her referred to an equine hospital that specialises in performance issues.
 

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Thanks for your replies. The problem I've had is that the issue is mostly apparent when she is ridden and she isn't lame. I attributed her schooling getting worse to my increase in hacking for fitness and less flatwork. She is keen to go forwards and it was only an instructor that watched her for several hours a day that spotted that there may be an issue. I'm trying to get ammunition to back up my case for when I call the vet rather than him declaring her sound just from a basic trot up and flexion test!
 

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Maybe consider a bute trial to see if she goes better with anti inflammatories? If she does, SI would be a possible. And how about a good physio rather than a chiro, to check over her soft tissue? A good physio should spot the problem at a trot up
 

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Having been in a similar situation a few years ago (poor performance but no obvious lameness) I would definitely go for a full lameness workup at specialist centre and get them to ride her too. I say get them to ride her because from the ground no one could really see what I was feeling but as soon as their rider got on she felt it and horse then stayed for tests (bone scan + blocks) and she was then able to ride him in the block tests and feel what was and wasn't working. Problem pinpointed to SI which was medicated and is managed with a really amazing pyhsio (I personally would go physio over chiro but that is personal preference).

I still remember calling my vet and saying to her come and look at my sound horse that isn't quite right.... You know your horse and if you don't feel she is right trust your gut and get it looked at. (I am assuming you have done teeth and saddle already)

I would also add that SI hocks back etc. are often all linked so one could lead to the other and vice versa so it could easily be any of these as the main problem causing the soreness elsewhere.
 
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