Horse with blood in urine

[cobgoblin]

There is no one on here that has given me an experience of their horse having wee in its blood its all been speculation. Yes there are lots of reasons. Kidney stones. Bladder cancer. Urine infection. Kidney infection.

I can't see how someone else's experience would help you really as it might be due to a different cause.
Perhaps one fact you can assume is that this is not a particularly common symptom that others have had to deal with.

 

[Birker2020]

Be polite to people and they will be nice to you.

but i wasnt inpolite to you in the first place which is why i really struggle to see why you could even find my reply on the slightest offensive but still. Seems my posts are always like a red rag to a bull for some folks.

 

[Cecile]

OK here are my experiences with collecting a sample, I can't remember why it was needed but it did take ages until I laid new shavings but I had to drive this sample to Lambourn
I found the whole experience quite funny, several people text me with their idea's, farrier's idea was keep whistling and don't stop

Another time a pony staying with me for a week or two seemed to stop peeing, I sat for ages with that one and tried every trick in the book, this doesn't help you at all but that one was taken to hospital and cathetised due to a very large stone

None of these examples help you but I hope you find the problem, who knows maybe he isn't even peeing blood at all and another explanation will be revelled

 

[Gloi]

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[popsdosh]

but i wasnt inpolite to you in the first place which is why i really struggle to see why you could even find my reply on the slightest offensive but still. Seems my posts are always like a red rag to a bull for some folks.

Just so you are aware I have had to deal with horses with blood in their Urine sometimes the outcomes havent been great . Maybe that is why I suggest you get an answer and dont treat it lightly. However I would not profess to diagnose somebody elses horse on the internet or over the phone for that matter. Have you considered the impact any supplements may be having as its a very common cause of stones!
If the horse was mine I would not be wasting time arguing the toss with people on here but at the yard trying to get the sample I need to put my mind at rest.
There you go 40yrs of experience thats obviously worthless! If you dont want to listen to the answers dont ask the question.

 

[Birker2020]

Just so you are aware I have had to deal with horses with blood in their Urine sometimes the outcomes havent been great . Maybe that is why I suggest you get an answer and dont treat it lightly. However I would not profess to diagnose somebody elses horse on the internet or over the phone for that matter. Have you considered the impact any supplements may be having as its a very common cause of stones!
If the horse was mine I would not be wasting time arguing the toss with people on here but at the yard trying to get the sample I need to put my mind at rest.
There you go 40yrs of experience thats obviously worthless! If you dont want to listen to the answers dont ask the

 

[Birker2020]

Just so you are aware I have had to deal with horses with blood in their Urine sometimes the outcomes havent been great . Maybe that is why I suggest you get an answer and dont treat it lightly. However I would not profess to diagnose somebody elses horse on the internet or over the phone for that matter. Have you considered the impact any supplements may be having as its a very common cause of stones!
If the horse was mine I would not be wasting time arguing the toss with people on here but at the yard trying to get the sample I need to put my mind at rest.
There you go 40yrs of experience thats obviously worthless! If you dont want to listen to the answers dont ask the

 

[SpringArising]

AC this really sounds like a UTI and coming from someone who suffers with them regularly, I can't not express enough how painful and uncomfortable they are. They are absolutely excruciating even though you can appear normal on the outside.

I would definitely get onto the vet ASAP because he's probably in a lot of pain - he might look OK but remember that horses are prey animals so their natural instinct is to not let on they're an "easy target" so to speak.

I'm sure this poor horse has something wrong with it each week. It must be stressful for you!

ETA - when I am in the "acute" phase of cystitis I wee blood and the non-emergency people always say go to A&E.

 

[Birker2020]

Got to yard bailey shot to stable door and whinnied when he heard me. Tied up groomed and tacked up whikst he devoured his net. Took out for hours hack head up ears forwards striding out as usual and grabbing grass on verge when he could!l Came back and other half mucked out whilst bailey tied up eating rest of net. Put back in stable without hay to distract him and he weed so i darted in. Stopped when i put container under but luckily carried on as i think he was desperate for a wee.didnt look like straining or abnormal to either of us. it was at half four so rang vet got ansafone for emergency vet rang them they said leave sample on gate sunday night and would look at it monday. They said as long as bright and alert and eating he will be fine but any change to call thought possible urine infection. Said no need to panic nothing they could do by coming out if horse looked well. This was a different vet to the one i spoke to last night. Again reassured me horse would be fine. Gave him usual tea and left him chasing his snackaball around the stable. Will see what they find on monday. Said to keep sample in fridge or outside in cold and if possible get a more up to date sample.

 

[Cecile]

Excellent, well done you!

Your account of how you obtained the sample is a darn sight more civilised than if I wrote how I obtained my first sample, I could of almost read War and Peace whilst sitting there with a mug in my hand whilst whistling, if you need to obtain another one it will be even easier

Monday will hopefully answer your question, have a good weekend!

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I once had to take a urine sample from a mare. I am sure she thought I was perverted! She tried to stop mid-flow but fortunately couldn't.
I would be extremely concerned about a possible UTI and not very happy with a vet who wasn't overly bothered about the symptoms, as My mother effectively died from a UTI which had been neglected. Was there any obvious blood in the sample?

 

[Birker2020]

I once had to take a urine sample from a mare. I am sure she thought I was perverted! She tried to stop mid-flow but fortunately couldn't.
I would be extremely concerned about a possible UTI and not very happy with a vet who wasn't overly bothered about the symptoms, as My mother effectively died from a UTI which had been neglected. Was there any obvious blood in the sample?

Hi PS very orange coloured sample with clay looking sediment at bottom of bottle once settled and minimal streak of what could be blood when decanting from tub to bottle whilst pouring. Like i said though horse is 100% acting normal. In fact stuffing hay down like no tomorrow and was what could only be described as positively swinging on hack almost as if glad to be out: it suddenly went warm and sunny for a brief period and was like a spring day. He enjoyed his normal veteran vitality warm mash for tea, did his stretches and was pushing his snackaball around when i left at 5.30pm last night. I'm spending more quality time with him lately as i gave up smoking about 12 days ago so no longer spend hours sitting in the coffee ròom but use the time with him instead. And this is why i and the vets who know i know my own horse are not unduly concerned about him now as he is acting normally and showing no other signs of ill health or pain. And Bailey has never been short on coming forwards before when he has been in pain with colic or hock issues all those years ago. Sometimes its hard to put this all across on a forum and its not that im not listening to folks comments but its trying to take the relevant bits that apply to my horse and his situation and disregard the stuff i feel is irrelevant to us. I grant you, there is a time to panic and call the emerg vet but the way things stand at present now is not the time and thankfully it will probaly in all liklihood remain so.

 

[Birker2020]

Excellent, well done you!

Your account of how you obtained the sample is a darn sight more civilised than if I wrote how I obtained my first sample, I could of almost read War and Peace whilst sitting there with a mug in my hand whilst whistling, if you need to obtain another one it will be even easier

Monday will hopefully answer your question, have a good weekend!

Thank you. Its good to know both vets do not see any great urgency in what i described providing the horse is well in himself. He is tucking into a net now like theresno tomz. Its a shame i have had such a beating on this forum but my primary concern is and always has been my horse.

 

[Cecile]

Thank you. Its good to know both vets do not see any great urgency in what i described providing the horse is well in himself. He is tucking into a net now like theresno tomz. Its a shame i have had such a beating on this forum but my primary concern is and always has been my horse.

I don't know much about how forums work but sometimes I really believe that some people have incredible horse sense and knowledge and with a couple of sentences written from the OP their alarm bells go off (Due to their experience and knowledge) there are a few people on here that I would love to live near my yard so I could use them as a sound board when something is bugging me as they have probably been there, done it and bought the T-Shirt but with a forum its so difficult as a few lines with a query doesn't really cover much
You have now officially joined the pee collecting club!

 

[Bertolie]

My gelding was found to be passing blood from his urinary tract. Discovered it on a Saturday, he was put to sleep on Monday after being diagnosed with cancer. OP I hope your boy, at worst, just has an infection, but please be alert for any signs that's he's not happy or is in pain or discomfort. I look forward to a positive update after the weekend.

 

[Caracarrie]

The first thing I did with my mare when I bought her was to train her to wee on command - very useful to keep the bed dry and she was one who liked to cross her legs all day when away from home. It only took a week for her to learn and the reward was something tasty. She got so good at it that she would attract my attention if I had her tied up outside, by begging with a foreleg and then I could put her back in her stable while I armed myself with a bucket. It also meant that I could potty her before we went to an all day show, and get her to do one in the long grass at the showground at lunchtime. We were often out from 8am to 7pm so knowing she was comfortable was a big relief (no pun intended!).

 

[Casey76]

Hey AC, I hope Bailey is OK, but please be aware that a very simple bladder infection can quickly turn into pyelonephritis which can lead to renal failure in extreme cases if not treated promptly. You don't necessarily have a hugely increased temperature with cystitis, and it doesn't necessarily mean pain all the time, but standing parked out for a while attempting to or after staling would be a noteworthy event for me.

 

[Birker2020]

The first thing I did with my mare when I bought her was to train her to wee on command - very useful to keep the bed dry and she was one who liked to cross her legs all day when away from home. It only took a week for her to learn and the reward was something tasty. She got so good at it that she would attract my attention if I had her tied up outside, by begging with a foreleg and then I could put her back in her stable while I armed myself with a bucket. It also meant that I could potty her before we went to an all day show, and get her to do one in the long grass at the showground at lunchtime. We were often out from 8am to 7pm so knowing she was comfortable was a big relief (no pun intended!).

Yes I trained my youngster to do this and it saved a fortune on bedding! He was very good at it. Trouble is with Bailey you go anywhere near him when he wee's (which I hardly ever see him do anyway in the stable) then he stops straight away and moves!

 

[Birker2020]

Hey AC, I hope Bailey is OK, but please be aware that a very simple bladder infection can quickly turn into pyelonephritis which can lead to renal failure in extreme cases if not treated promptly. You don't necessarily have a hugely increased temperature with cystitis, and it doesn't necessarily mean pain all the time, but standing parked out for a while attempting to or after staling would be a noteworthy event for me.

Okay. But like I say I've spoken to two vets now and they are not unduly alarmed. I will ring the vets at lunchtime and see if they have found anything abnormal in the sample. He was fine when I left him last night and I assume he is okay this morning - staff turn him out weekdays as I work 25 miles away and have to be in for 7am.

 

[ester]

Perhaps with the posting of further experiences though you can understand that with the information in your first post which suggested leaving it a week raised concern in others? And that it was concern rather than 'jumping on you' mostly because they'd rather a horse and its owner didn't go through that if it was possible that timely action would prevent it?

Fingers crossed for clean pee!

 

[varkie]

Personally, if I saw blood in a horses urine, I would have vet out at first opportunity.

Some years ago, I saw blood in my mares urine. Like yourself, I didn't worry too much - she seemed fine in herself, was eating, drinking, completely normal - other than blood in her urine. I spoke to my vets, they weren't too worried - said it was likely just to be some kind of infection.

Long story short - lots of things went on - diagnosis, symptoms, etc. She was diagnosed with cauda equina / polyneuritis equi. This is a degenerating condition, leading to loss of sensation behind (hence the blood in urine, as she couldn't feel it fully to expel all urine, leading to irritation & bleeding within the bladder). Within six weeks, she went from being 100% healthy and normal, to barely able to keep herself upright with her back end (she was heading for paralysis). She was PTS before she reached the point where she could not get up one day, or where she fell and injured someone (this almost happened) - but the speed she went from normal to PTS was shocking.

With this is mind, for me, blood in urine is an immediate vet job.

 

[Christmas Crumpet]

I had something quite similar with my horse last year who had tied up about 2 months previously. When he was doing a wee, it went from clear to clear with dark streaks to dark then clear. He was also going straight into his stable for a wee after riding which he doesn't do anymore. I got the vet to look at it and his red blood cell count was marginally high. He hadn't tied up.

But this was the colour of his wee.
http://s268.photobucket.com/user/carolinebarber/media/IMG_6303.jpg.html

We never really got to the bottom of it because it improved and as far as I am aware, hasn't happened since. I do keep an eye out whenever I see him wee just to check that it is all ok still.