Horsebox confusion??? HGV or Non HGV???

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Hi everyone! I was wondering if anyone could help me with a horsebox I wish to view? See link below? I hope this is allowed? I am not advertising just want advise?

http://www.horsedeals.co.uk/horsebo...boxes-for-sale/1979-Bedford-TK__7-3-10-783767

I called them up and the vendor is acting on behalf of the owner. He is unsure of the weight. V5 document states this lorry is 7.5ton so non-HGV. However, when I asked him for the unladen weight he said he wasn't sure and just quoted that plate stated axle weights. I can't remember exact weights as I have accidently deleted his email. He added them together and quoted a figure of 8600ton. Obviously this would make the lorry HGV? I am highly confused now!!! Do you add the axle weights together to get the gross weight? Even if I asked him to take it to a weigh bridge this would only give me the unladen weight??? Is there anyway of telling if this box is under 7.5ton?

This box is 200 miles away from me and will not be a happy bunny if it turns out to be HGV as I do not have this category on my license? I was due to pick up a lorry I purchased at the weekend tonight. However the owner text me saying he has changed his mind and wants to keep the box and now has stuck it back on ebay for £600 more than I offered him!!! I had taxed and insured it too!!! So as you can imagine I am pretty f**cked off!!!!

Any help much appreciated :)
 
Hope someone will help you but have just got the plating certificate out for mine - it is a 7500 gross weight with axle weight 1 of 3200 and axle weight 2 of 5200 i.e. 8,400. I think that means it is a max 7500 but that you can have a maximum on those axles of but not exceed the 7500 overall. If OH was in he would know but he isn't!

I think this means that say you had 5 tonnes weight on the front axle you would be overweight even if you were not exceeding 7500 in total. It doesn't mean the lorry though can in total be more than 7500 loaded.

Hope that makes sense. The word axle looks very odd when typed!
 
Don't add the axle weights together!! The axle weights are the max weight that each axle can legally carry, combining them does NOT give you the gross vehicle weight!!!!

There will be four wieghts on a plating certificate. The first one is the gross vehicle weight (maximum permissible weight of the vehicle with load, fuel etc). Anything in excess of 7.5 tonnes is classed as a LGV. The second weight is the train weight, which means the maximum combined weight the vehicle, load, and any trailer can be. The third and fourth weights are the max permissible axle weights. DO NOT ADD THESE TOGETHER, it serves absolutely no purpose.

If you want to know the unladen weight of the vehicle, and so be able to work out what your payload will be (how much is left over for your horse / hay / tack / etc), then go to a public weighbridge and get it weighed. It is surprising how many so-called non-hgv lorries are almost up to their weight limit with no load on board!

Hope this helps.
 
ECho all the above. There is a braked weight or something on the platong cert that will give you a rough idea of your unladen weight but only way to be sure is to pop on a weighbridge!
 
Echo the others about the weighbridge. I think our local one charges about £5, so it doesn't break the bank. Assuming it is a 7.5ton lorry it is very unlikely you will be able to put 3 horses on board (despite it being stalled for 3) without being over weight.
 
Ask the seller for the brake test sheet they weigh the axle load during the brake test and although not 100% acurate it will give a guide to the unladen weight so you know if it could carry what you want,but to be sure you need a visit to a weighbridge and always do both axles... others are right about the plate in the cab it sounds like a 7.5 ton so non hgv, if you passed the test before 1997 ....
 
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