Horsemeat banquet on BBC3

Moomin1 said:
Personally I think it's borderline distasteful some people saying that if they had their way horsemeat would be banned worldwide, simply because they feel strongly about horses being pets and leisure horses.

What about in Third World areas with people starving to death?:confused:
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Breeding horses for meat would be the quickest way to ensure that even more millions starved. The only advantage horsemeat has is that as the horse gets older, the meat gets more tender unlike other food animals. But raising horses is not all "cost effective" for making good use of limited availability of fertile land.

And it's haram under Islamic law to all intents and purposes. There is a question as to whether it is truly forbidden but the vast majority of Muslims err on the side of caution. Horses are used for "Jihad" (holy war) so mustn't be eaten, the small doubt is that obviously some horses wouldn't ever be used for "Jihad".

(Don't worry about the fact that tanks are used nowadays, the rules were written 1400 years ago and are still seen as unbreakable law)

Donkeys are definitely forbidden, that's stated quite clearly.
 
Its not the eating of horse meat I have problem with, in fact I think a lot of people don't.

BUT Where does this meat come from??
You are eating old racehorses and kids ponies etc? What do you think the likes of Spindles Farm was doing??? That is where horse meat comes from. In Poland, horses for meat are tied up and fed, and never allowed to move until they are taking to the abbatoir.
Often the journey to the abbatoir is long and horrific.
So no a horse is no different from a cow, but there should be law stating on they are farmed.
The meat in a lasagne is not only from a horse, but probably one that had a miserable existence.

And that's what I have problem with, thats why I have my own chickens, and even eat some of my own chickens, as I know they have had as happy and natural life as possible. I would not eat anything from a battery hen.

And ALL meat should be ethically sourced. So what is people are starving, that is our fault, but to make innocent animals suffer because we are incapable of sharing wealth is, in my opinion, evil.
 
Pale Rider said:
I was watching comic relief the other night. The scenes of children starving I found very upsetting. I know that there is a lot of waste in the world as far as food goes, but to see these children starving is wrong.

I think the amount of horsemeat that is wasted in this country is sinful. I know it wouldn't help the children starving to death, because of economics, but to waste it when people are dying for lack of it is so wrong.

Horsemeat is probably fairly healthy when you compair it with beef and the amount of growth promoters and antibiotic's they put in cattle.
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I find comic relief upsetting!!
the way these well meaning but misguided interventions are exacerbating a problem, staving children become starving adults these barren countrys can only support so much population be it animal or human!! help with birth control would be the kindest thing we could give , but then it would ruin the charity /feel good industy so the whole thing rolls on
year after year...
 
dominobrown said:
Its not the eating of horse meat I have problem with, in fact I think a lot of people don't.

BUT Where does this meat come from??
You are eating old racehorses and kids ponies etc? What do you think the likes of Spindles Farm was doing??? That is where horse meat comes from. In Poland, horses for meat are tied up and fed, and never allowed to move until they are taking to the abbatoir.
Often the journey to the abbatoir is long and horrific.
So no a horse is no different from a cow, but there should be law stating on they are farmed.
The meat in a lasagne is not only from a horse, but probably one that had a miserable existence.

And that's what I have problem with, thats why I have my own chickens, and even eat some of my own chickens, as I know they have had as happy and natural life as possible. I would not eat anything from a battery hen.

And ALL meat should be ethically sourced. So what is people are starving, that is our fault, but to make innocent animals suffer because we are incapable of sharing wealth is, in my opinion, evil.
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+1.. good post.
 
I missed the beginning so where did they find the "diners"?

I wouldn't have eaten the first two courses but then I wouldn't if the meat used was beef as I can't stand the coriander they polluted the raw meat with and dislike meatballs. The steak looked lovely.
The whole thing smacked of sensationalism though and they should have had a bovine in the hall and offered beef as an alternative. Now that would have been interesting..
 
Quite worrying that the lab tests found the chinese takeaway beef-in-black-bean-sauce contained

Meat but it wasn't

cattle
pig
sheep
horse
goat
chicken
duck

so what sort of meat was it?!
 
Well said domino brown. The ethics of how meat is raised & slaughtered is my only concern, not what animal it was. Personally I would never eat horse myself, but provided it had been ethically produced I'd happily buy & cook it for someone else if that makes sense?
 
ester said:
and lots of wine etc has powdered fish swim bladders (he forget the swim bit!), I think it helps with the clarity iirc.
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Yes I remember being told wine wasn't vegetarian and being surprised! (it's really weird... makes me wonder how on earth that got discovered! "ooh, my wine isn't very clear... I know, I'll add some fish! :eek::o:D)

Moomin1 said:
Personally I think it's borderline distasteful some people saying that if they had their way horsemeat would be banned worldwide, simply because they feel strongly about horses being pets and leisure horses.
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Quite. Some religions find eating pig meat distasteful. If that got banned no more bacon sandwiches for anyone, ever! :eek:

dominobrown said:
Its not the eating of horse meat I have problem with, in fact I think a lot of people don't.

BUT Where does this meat come from??
You are eating old racehorses and kids ponies etc? What do you think the likes of Spindles Farm was doing??? That is where horse meat comes from. In Poland, horses for meat are tied up and fed, and never allowed to move until they are taking to the abbatoir.
Often the journey to the abbatoir is long and horrific.
So no a horse is no different from a cow, but there should be law stating on they are farmed.
The meat in a lasagne is not only from a horse, but probably one that had a miserable existence.

And that's what I have problem with, thats why I have my own chickens, and even eat some of my own chickens, as I know they have had as happy and natural life as possible. I would not eat anything from a battery hen.

And ALL meat should be ethically sourced. So what is people are starving, that is our fault, but to make innocent animals suffer because we are incapable of sharing wealth is, in my opinion, evil.
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Absolutely agree that meat should be ethically sourced, and the horsemeat scandal has made me think twice about what I buy. But I have to point out that the spindles farm ponies weren't much good for meat :(

I would prefer all horsemeat to come from horses farmed for meat in the same way that cattle and the like are farmed. Then again in principal I don't have a problem with my little pony and racehorses being used for meat, as long as the medication and history was fully, accurately recorded, and slaughter was without stress, quick and as painless as possible for them.
Then again, who doesn't want all that for all meat animals? I guess it's particularly harrowing for a horse lover to think of a former pet going to slaughter... I don't know, it's not an easy or straightforward subject at all :(
 
I know that half starved coloured cobs living in filth don't make good horse meat, but they probably make 'cheap' horse meat.
Again if there were proper horse farms, where the horse were raised in acceptable conditions, and then slaughtered in the most humane way possible, then no I wouldn't have a problem eating horse meat.
Again to go back to my chickens, which are essentially pets, occasionally I breed some, and the cockerels are killed (by neighbour) and plucked, dressed etc by me. Firstly its actually satisfying to see the whole journey and I know exactly what is has done/ eaten etc.
 
CaveCanem said:
It wasn't, my late uncle remembered being served horse in England during WWII.
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One of my late grannies major beefs (bu, bum- I'm here all week) with us being veggie was that during the war you'd had to eat whale meat as there was no other optios, before admitting she never did, grannies are funny things :D
 
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