Horseriders Against Hunting FB Group

[JosieB]

I don't think anyones ''trolling'' or whatever is any excuse for another individual wishing someone a horrible death, threatening petrol bombs, etc.. thats just a clearly disturbed individual who i doubt would have the nerve to say it to the individuals directed at. Nasty people who lack something in their real life. Actually lack two somethings.

 

[Alec Swan]

I am sorry Mr.Swan but you did not! You responded to my post regarding YOUR trolling of an anti hunting page (Horseriders against Hunting), attempting to justify this with your actions on another, the Hillside Sanctuary page which is not anti hunting. Two very separate matters. You're entirely correct, they were two entirely separate issues, and were dealt with on two different sites. Short of talking nonsense, I fail to see how you've managed to connect the two, and attempt to lay the blame at my door.
YOU trolled an anti group (whilst you complain about trolls on here), bringing tit for tat attacks on this forum and one of its members from anti's. Perhaps this might be the point at which you should understand what a troll is. I have disagreed with others, I have made my point s clearly, or so I thought, IMPORTANTLY, I have not hidden behind a user name, and nor have I changed by name to suit my argument.If you are going to bring this forum into disrepute and think you are being clever,then boast about it on these pages please have the balls to admit your guilt! I would feel a degree of guilt if I thought that your accusations could be in any way substantiated, and as for your suggestion that I admit to guilt, when you've regained your composure, ceased to hide behind yet another user name, which most would consider trolling, then I'll happily discuss the matter with you, further, should you so wish.End of discussion.
Now I shall return to my normal username. That would be interesting!

ALEC SWAN.

 

[justforfun]

what a horrible and nasty facebook group,they are wishng that people die, if they want to protest against hunting, ok, its their choice but the hateful, nasty and evil comments made about anyone who has a picture on there, albiet hunting oe not is shocking. its full of nutters.
I have reported the whole group for its slanderous comments and treats to kill direct to facebook.

 

[Fiagai]

RUBBISH Fiagai!! I have changed my username to address this issue and shall return to it so this matter can be laid to rest amongst ourselves. Members of this forum went to an anti hunting Facebook page to 'have their say' (troll), and then we have a thread about it on the Hunting forum??? This led to anti's posting abuse on this forum and directing it at one of our members.
This did not happen out of the blue, certain posters caused it. If they want this forum to sink to the levels of others then they should carry on. If not they should bloody well grow up! I have had my say on the matter.

DO please then tell us as to why you changed your Username and to what purpose? If you are a genuine memeber of this Forum then do please enlighten us (if you look you have minimal posts btw - if you had 'changed' your Username it would by default have carried your previous post count) So I stand by my analysis that you have 'joined' to stir more verbal manure to the matter at hand

Members of the hunting forum on HHO are more than aware of what is going on outside this relatively small interest group on HHO. Where hunting is being denigrated and misinformation is being posted I would expect individuals to actively comment as they see fit. The HHAH is very clearly trotting out the rantings of established Anti Groups without recourse to veracity or engaging in logical discussion.

Do ask yourself why Forum members felt obliged to comment on this piece of propaganda FB page? To me it is obvious, if you do not then your interaction here smells badly. As for your ludricous accusation that members of this Forum were to blame for individuals from the HHAH FB page posting abuse and directing it a member of HHO - I find that your arguments here reminiscent of putting the cart before the horse. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. My right to swing my fist ends at your nose. Any individual who takes it upon themselves to threathen another person in such a manner is not deserving of any respect or excuse because there is no excuse for this type of behaviour. Finally I would look to your own response before instructing others to grow up...

 

[combat_claire]

It's not unfair to socks, either, the socks are entirely willing participants

The diamante ankle sock I saw being chased round by you lot didn't look at all happy. Tied to a rope, dipped in fake fox scent and then bumped around by a runner or quad bike. It is barbaric!

The disturbing truth is that socks mysteriously vanish after the drag hunt have met in the locality. My best Lions Rampant striped sock was not a willing participant and did not have my permission to take part!!

League Against Cruelty to Socks is open to new members...

 

[combat_claire]

It does appear to the casual observer of this thread that certain members somewhat enjoyed a bit of trolling on an anti hunting Facebook page until such time as the H&H forum had to pay the inevitable price. I guess such activity is not beneath some of our members sadly!!

There is a common misconception amongst the anti-hunting brigade that anyone posting something that disagrees with your viewpoint is a troll. Like most of their beliefs it is completely erroneous. A troll is someone who deliberately tries to inflame the situation, not someone who tries to correct misleading information being spewed on sites.

 

[smokey]

There is a common misconception amongst the anti-hunting brigade that anyone posting something that disagrees with your viewpoint is a troll. Like most of their beliefs it is completely erroneous. A troll is someone who deliberately tries to inflame the situation, not someone who tries to correct misleading information being spewed on sites.

Couldnt agree more! I've left a comment on a foto on the fb page, will be interesting to see if its removed. I'm amazed and disgusted by the ignorance of some of these people, and the pure venom they spout. ,

 

[Copperpot]

Have posted on there! They say that hound was placed on a railway line, absolute balls. I am a train driver and he has wandered onto an electrified 3rd rail and gotten a shock. There would have been no rescuing him i'm afraid as anyone who fancied walking across several electrified lines to rescue him would have been electrocuted themselves the second they touched him.

I see many foxes/badgers etc that have been killed this way. The current on rails on the floor is DC and "grabs" you rather than the over head lines which fling you away. No one could have saved that hound.

What a group of idiots!

 

[VoR]

Well now, this is a bit of a Hornet's Nest I must say!

I hunt (within the law), I like hunting(within the law), I enjoy hunting (within the law), I understand that some people do not hunt, like or enjoy hunting, I fail to see, however, what they have against what hunting has now become!!?? I accept that they may feel traditional hunting is cruel, inhuman and barbaric, I accept that they may want to state their case against hunting and I'm happy to state my case for it, between two parties taking an adult approach it can be quite enlightening for both sides.

However, I have been confronted by anti-hunting protestors, I have maintained a dignified and polite approach, I have been called a 'bar steward' and a four letter word that begins with C and is quite unpleasant, been told to 'fork-off' and so on without replying in kind, I wouldn't wish those that have an alternative view to my own ill, I would wish them to contract a serious illness, be maimed, paralysed or any other terrible happenings, I wouldn't make outright threats or incite others to be violent towards them because I am not cruel, inhuman or barbaric, neither are the people I hunt with for that mattre............and this begs a fundemental question, who are the cruel, inhuman, barbaric thugs here ???????????????????????????????????

 

[smokey]

Oh dear, I seem to have been blocked from the fb site! I didn't even say anything inflammatory, just pointed out that the "severe" bits being used were in fact a loose ring snaffle and a hanging cheek snaffle. How pathetic!

 

[Alec Swan]

Smokey,

Ah well, that's where you went wrong. There is no place, in the world of the bigot, for knowledge, experience or courteous correction.

The simple fact that those who disagree with us are as free to use this forum as any, speaks volumes, when the same consideration can't be shown to us.

Alec.

 

[skydy]

I must say,(firstly) that I was absolutely stunned when the U.K. antis actually had traditional fox hunting banned.

I thought we, in the U.S.,had a lock on the weird "animal rights"
people(most of whom are city dwellers who do not seem to understand that the meat that they buy from the grocery has been an animal, alive, that has been killed). Neither have they ever had livestock killed by fox, coyote or wolf. However, the "antis" in the U.S. have been unable to supercede the farmer's/rancher's interest in controlling the threat to livestock.

What makes me happy to be here in the U.S. is that, although it is against the law to dye your poodle pink (or any other color) in many localities, hunting is allowed (only, not of an endangered species). Protecting your livestock IS allowed. We still have many stubborn and independent farmers and their political representatives know better than to cross them.

I do believe that hunting deer with hounds is not legal in the U.S. (I'll check when I have a moment) however fox and coyote are fair game, though many U.S. hunts only chase and do not kill ,the purpose,especially with coyote, is to keep them away and afraid of people and civilization to keep the losses of livestock in control.. My brother's little dog was savaged by a coyote and our neighbour's cats were killed by foxes. Perhaps if you "anti's' pets were being eaten regularly thay would have a different view.

My dear grandmother was British and her family came to the U.S. from Surrey when she was a child.(Long ago). She loved animals but was a no nonsense person.
I have many old foxhunting books that were left to me , that I enjoy still, and I really was shocked and surprised at the ban..

Am I correct that foxes can still be shot in the U.K.? Can they still be trapped? Poisoned?

 

[smokey]

Smokey,

Ah well, that's where you went wrong. There is no place, in the world of the bigot, for knowledge, experience or courteous correction.

The simple fact that those who disagree with us are as free to use this forum as any, speaks volumes, when the same consideration can't be shown to us.

Alec.

Alec, sadly you are correct! The older I get the more I realise this, and the more depressed I become. Its a sad state of affairs when people can't be civil and tolerant of others opinions. Although I do find it quite difficult to tolerate the rubbish spouted by some of the vile people on that page.

 

[TiddlyPups]

I had a glance on the page and read this written on a photo on a horse pecking on landing and in the process of galloping off:

"I hope the horse is OK but I hope the person is killed in the same way this horse will die"

Well I'm sorry but how can "hoping a person is killed" be better than someone hunting an animal?!!! And anyway the horse was not on the brink of a torturous death.

 

[dunkley]

I await my ban.............................having posted the following comment. (I tried to sit on my hands, honest I did!)

"So, Gillian.............. I guess the 'Toffs' comment shows just how much you are actually worried about the fox, rather than nurturing the bloody great chip on your shoulder?"

 

[Fiagai]

Oh dear, I seem to have been blocked from the fb site! I didn't even say anything inflammatory, just pointed out that the "severe" bits being used were in fact a loose ring snaffle and a hanging cheek snaffle. How pathetic!

Ahh smokey you see that is where HHO and the 'Horseriders' against hunting differ. Most people here actually ride or at least have ridden in the past. The HRAH brigade are in all evidence the usual bunch of Antis masquerading as 'horseriders' so that their propaganda 'appears' to have some veneer of seriousness, unfortunately the whole thing fails to stand up to even the slightest bit of applied intelligence...

 

[Littlelegs]

I don't do Facebook, but I've had a look, my best guess is now the gns over, they have to do something with their time.
We live on the edge of a town, with urban foxes who'd rather raid bins than kill stuff. However at the farm we had an injured dog fox who was of the larger country variety. Within weeks of his appearance, several cats had gone & he got in with the chickens & decimated them. Poor old thing is too timid to scavenge near houses & too weak to hunt. Now there's only agile farm cats in the area & chickens penned securely he's slowly starving & reduced to raiding the feed bins for pony nuts & chicken pellets. I took the time to explain to my 7yr old daughter why it was kindest to put it out of its misery & she understands. However whilst doing a school project with a trainee teacher, she was very much jumped on when the teacher asked who'd seen them, & my daughter said she had, but ours had to be shot soon as x could catch it. The teachers take on it was we should put food & water out for it, & it didn't matter about the cats & chickens. Daughter, bless her, said as it had killed one of our farm cats, & wanted to kill the other she'd rather it die than her cat. And then tried to explain the fox wasn't a very happy fox as he was hungry & can't even run. Sad thing is, even when I went in to school to discuss this, the teacher still didn't get it.

 

[combat_claire]

Skydy, yes shooting, trapping and snaring all remain legal. There are also certain exemptions that allow foxes to be killed by hunts such as flushing to a bird of prey or a gun.

 

[dunkley]

That's it - I'm banned

 

[Alec Swan]

.......

Sad thing is, even when I went in to school to discuss this, the teacher still didn't get it.

It is not the job of a teacher to indoctrinate children into their own, narrow blinkered views on life. In your shoes, I'd have explained things, in a way that there would have been no room for doubt!

Alec.

 

[Littlelegs]

Agree entirely Alec. In fairness to the schools regular staff, they agreed too, it was just the inability of the trainee, to grasp that the cutesy wutey fox couldn't be taken in & fed like a stray dog. She accepted she couldn't teach those principles but I doubt she really understood why her opinion was invalid. I could readily imagine that in my shoes she would have captured the petrified fox & taken it home to feed it pedigree chum. Luckily hunting didn't come up, the woman's thoughts would fit right in with the Facebook group!

 

[amy_b]

on one photo they'r slagging the hunt off for not saving a hound from the train tacks...on another they'r slagging the huntsmen for being ON the tracks!!! (endangering people lives )
make your minds up at least!!! half of those photos of people falling/riding badly/overbitting/blah blah blah can be seen weekly round the country at dressage/SJ and eventing. its hardly unique to hunting?! idiots.

 

[smokey]

on one photo they'r slagging the hunt off for not saving a hound from the train tacks...on another they'r slagging the huntsmen for being ON the tracks!!! (endangering people lives )
make your minds up at least!!! half of those photos of people falling/riding badly/overbitting/blah blah blah can be seen weekly round the country at dressage/SJ and eventing. its hardly unique to hunting?! idiots.

I don't think they can see the irony and sometimes downright cruelty in some of the comments. I bet these folks are a joy to be around! I wish they hadn't banned me, there's so much I'd like to say. Idiots is right!

 

[Fiagai]

on one photo they'r slagging the hunt off for not saving a hound from the train tacks...on another they'r slagging the huntsmen for being ON the tracks!!! (endangering people lives )
make your minds up at least!!! half of those photos of people falling/riding badly/overbitting/blah blah blah can be seen weekly round the country at dressage/SJ and eventing. its hardly unique to hunting?! idiots.

Agree they appear to know bog all about horseriding...I like the name you have chosen and suggest on reflection that the FB page should be in fact renamed as Idiots Against Horseriding....

 

[Pale Rider]

They appear to have some pretty disgusting photographs even if some of them have been enhanced.

 

[skydy]

Skydy, yes shooting, trapping and snaring all remain legal. There are also certain exemptions that allow foxes to be killed by hunts such as flushing to a bird of prey or a gun.

Thank you combat_claire,
I thought that was the case. How on earth do your antis justify the ban? A fox left to suffer in a snare or from an inaccurate gunshot, rather than being killed quickly by a predator (hound) ?

From my perpective (admittedly from across the pond) the "antis" seem to be more anti equestrian than pro fox...

Of course, we have our fair share of nuts in the U.S. as well. I suppose at this point in time ,our rural people are able to keep their local politians in line with their interests.

In the U.S. , the state's autonomy , I think, makes a difference. City people can have their views, but their opinion won't fly in a rural area, so they most often only have influence in their own locality.

Of course that does not keep them from trying to dramatise the situation as they seem to do in your country, a- la the sweaty horse on that facebook page (so stupid).

For what it's worth,I was absolutely stunned and disappointed, for everyone's sake, by the ban of foxhunting in your country...

I'm happy to see you keeping on hunting in the legal way that you are allowed and hope that you will be able to turn things around!

 

[Copperpot]

I explained to them why they couldn't rescue that hound from tracks but they have chosen to ignore me

 

[Fiagai]

They appear to have some pretty disgusting photographs even if some of them have been enhanced.

i agree PP some are disgusting - Some are taken from other equestrian pursuits, many appear to have been photoshopped and others are taken in the years previous to the Hunt Act of 2004 when fox hunting was legal. In effect this FB page comes across a general incitment to hatred to those involved in equestrian activities. I believe it is time for FB to get its house in order in relation to such underhand and grossly offensive propaganda.

 

[marmalade76]

How on earth do your antis justify the ban? A fox left to suffer in a snare or from an inaccurate gunshot, rather than being killed quickly by a predator (hound) ?

This is because, IMO anyway, the ban is about getting at the people who hunt, perceieved (by the antis) to be moneyed and upper class (shown by commments about 'toffs' on the group page). You don't see them harrassing the gypsies that were shown hare coursing on TV recently!

Of course, many different types of people hunt, including me and I am niether moneyed (mores the pity) nor upper class (even middle for that matter!)

 

[Herne]

Yep. I have been banned too.