Horses...always baffling. Bitting and bridling.

Caol Ila

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Some of you may or may not remember a thread I started about troubles with bridling Fin. He would throw his head back and spin away from you as soon as you put the reins over his head, and good luck pulling the bridle over. Had the vet out, found nothing wrong, etc. etc.

I changed bits and bridles, from a mechanical hackamore to a simple Western headstall attached to a very nice Fager titanium snaffle (luckily for me and horses, Hermosa didn't like it... it was expensive so I am over the moon that Fin did). Once you got the tack on, he seemed happier in this setup. He'd hated every other bit I had tried, hence the hackamore*, which he went really well in for a while. Until he suddenly didn't. Made a pair of hacking buddies who fancied a fast, far hack turn for home early because he felt like he was going to lose it. That was our low point. However, he felt more relaxed and like himself in the Fager, so that was a start. Then I worked out that if you undid the cheekpiece and put on the bridle like headcollar, he accepted it like a quiet, happy little lamb. Problem solved. So that's what I have been doing for about six months.

A friend of mine is on a course to get certified as an equine behaviourist and needs case studies, so I offered up Fin. Mainly for his hacking alone stuff, but he has many other quirks. She wanted to see what he did if you bridled him the normal way. The whole spinning giraffe impression. I proceeded to put on the bridle the way most people put on bridles, and he stood like the best behaved riding school pony and quietly accepted it. "Oh," I said to my friend. "Nevermind." For the last couple days, I have continued to bridle normally, and he continues to act calm and happy about it.

My best theory is that the poll pressure from the hackamore must have become unpleasant. Maybe from repeated use. Maybe from something happening in the field. Fireworks night happened around the time bridling got tricky, and he could have strained a muscle freaking out. Who knows. Hence immediate improvement once ridden in the little Fager, but he still associated 'normal' bridling with pain. I put on the bridle in a different way, and the bad association gradually broke because he no longer connected the bridle itself with pain or discomfort.

Sometimes, the 'future me problem' approach to horsemanship does work!

*I am very aware that mechanical hacks are one of the harshest bitless bridles out there. Fin occasionally likes to try to take over the steering, and unfortunately riding in things like bosals and sidepulls was a good way to end up having an adventure crashing through trees. Or landing on top of long-suffering OH when he stepped into the bushes for a pee. To the great chagrin and confusion of my behaviourist-trainee friend, who thinks all bits are cruel, a snaffle is the least harsh thing you can ride him in that gives you enough control to not end up in a bush. She has kind of acknowledged that, which is a mega revelation for her.
 
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I've got a small pony in a hackamore because that's what she likes. Spent quite a lot of money trying "nicer" options too.

Reminds me of when I needed a transport company to get big mare to the vets. Lots of advance warnings about how difficult she was to load, so owner brought an assistant. Well she marched up the ramp onto the lorry like butter wouldn't melt there and back. I felt like a right muppet!

At least Finn is happy even if your friend now needs another case study.
 

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Interesting. All my previous horses became reliable ridden bitless in just a rope halter but I would not contemplate even trying Woody in one. He is far too prone to making his own decisions about the best way to go unless he has a bit in his mouth which he takes willingly and never fights or argues with providing his bridle does not have a browband or a noseband. My take on this is that some horses need the direct physical connection to feel safe. The behaviourist seems in need of a more varied experience of horses.
 

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Did you check his ears for plaques we had one who got harder and harder to bridle hated anything near his ears because of this. You can see them in their ears.
 

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Interesting. All my previous horses became reliable ridden bitless in just a rope halter but I would not contemplate even trying Woody in one. He is far too prone to making his own decisions about the best way to go unless he has a bit in his mouth which he takes willingly and never fights or argues with providing his bridle does not have a browband or a noseband. My take on this is that some horses need the direct physical connection to feel safe. The behaviourist seems in need of a more varied experience of horses.
My Appy is much the same. I re started her bitless because she'd gone over backwards before me and I didn't want to unintentionally cause her to go up. Changed gradually over to a bit and she was never settled bitless after that. Needs a v wide browband and also doesn't like a noseband.
 

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Why not try a micklem? It goes in like a head collar without a bit and it’s easy to add the bit once it’s on since the bit straps are separate from the cheek pieces. If you get the multi bridle like I have then you have three bitless options.
 

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Hacking solo remains an issue, so she can use that as a case study. Not that I am totally optimistic because wild pony reactivity may always be there, and weird stuff may happen when you're out and about. Like yesterday, when out on the youngster, we encountered a tractor on a narrow road, and a teenager who shot out of a garden in front of us at a flat-out run and hit a hedge as he tried to squeeze past us without breaking stride. She was a bit startled but fine. Fin, on the other hand, would have had a much more dramatic reaction, and if you'd been alone, it would set you right back on the going alone thing. I don't know if a newbie trainee-behaviourist will have any insights that I haven't had yet, but she needs the case studies, and who knows, her supervisor might.

He seems to like his Western headstall, so I'm sticking with it. No noseband. Wide browband. The bitless options on a Micklem are probably a good way to end up in a tree. He definitely has opinions about where he would like to go, but at least he listens to the snaffle. Sounds a lot like planete's horse.

And yes, the vet checked his ears when I had her out.

My friend is just at the start of her course. She doesn't have much experience with different horses - just her own horse, really. But everyone has to start somewhere. Hopefully she will become less dogmatic about bitless= good and bits = bad as she gains experience.
 

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'Sounds a lot like Planete's horse'. Woody was picked up by the RSPCA as a four year old. Definitely used to looking after himself but no clue about his background. Very weary about hacking out on his own but now ok if he knows we are aiming for a rest stop with long grass to eat as this knowledge propels him forward no matter what! Please keep us updated with Fin's progress as I for one can do with all the useful tips I can get. :)
 

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A friend of mine is on a course to get certified as an equine behaviourist and needs case studies, so I offered up Fin. Mainly for his hacking alone stuff, but he has many other quirks. She wanted to see what he did if you bridled him the normal way. The whole spinning giraffe impression. I proceeded to put on the bridle the way most people put on bridles, and he stood like the best behaved riding school pony and quietly accepted it. "Oh," I said to my friend. "Nevermind." For the last couple days, I have continued to bridle normally, and he continues to act calm and happy about it.
Funnily enough, when mine was newly backed this happened - the only way we could get a bridle on him without fuss was to undo it all like this. Then one day a few weeks later I was on auto pilot and just put it on the "normal" way and he stood like a rock..... and never looked back since!
 
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