Horses killed on M4

[ester]

don't bring me into it.

I know f all about quorn

 

[ycbm]

That's all well and good but in the Highway Code I read in 1964 it said - keep to a speed from which you can safely stop in the distance you can see and this incudes motorways. I can see the M25 from my upstairs windows and invariably there is far less than one vehicle's length in between herds of HGV - they could be circus elephants trunk to tail.

So you would stamp on your brakes to save a horse that suddenly runs into your path and let the vehicle tailgating you run into your rear, would you? When I was taught to drive I was taught not to make any sudden changes to save an animal.

I was able to see protein being made in an oil refinery because that's where the damn stuff was - it used to be only for cows and was labelled up Liquid Paraffin Animal Protein by the Bibby company as far as I can remember. Quorn uses very similar recovered fungii - the original adverts used to include a voice over that said "it's made from a tiny relative of the mushroom" and so it is. I reckon Ester might know more.

There isn't one mention I can find anywhere online about the production of protein from petrochemicals. Can you find me a source? I think you may be confusing the fact the petrochemicals can be used to split out proteins from plant sources?

 

[Alec Swan]

……..

I know f all about quorn

Ah, now there I can be of help; The Quorn are a first class pack, I'll have you know!

Alec.

 

[Keith_Beef]

So you would stamp on your brakes to save a horse that suddenly runs into your path and let the vehicle tailgating you run into your rear, would you? When I was taught to drive I was taught not to make any sudden changes to save an animal.






There isn't one mention I can find anywhere online about the production of protein from petrochemicals. Can you find me a source? I think you may be confusing the fact the petrochemicals can be used to split out proteins from plant sources?

There's almost certainly a way to use petroleum hydrocarbons as food for something in order to produce single-cell protein (SCP). I found a few papers describing the use of petrochemical wastewater mixed with peptone and a trace of dipotassium phosphate. It was apparently used in Italy until banned in 1977 for economic reasons. I suppose it was judged more important to recover the hydrocarbons from the wastewater, rather than to use it as feed for SCP production.

Whether it would be acceptable for human consumption, though is a different question...

 

[ycbm]

Ah, now there I can be of help; The Quorn are a first class pack, I'll have you know!

Alec.

I heard they were a bunch of fun guys

 

[ester]

I think ycbm just killed the internet for the evening...... :rolleyes3:

out of my area as a southerner, and probably my capabilities .

 

[Alec Swan]

There's almost certainly a way to use petroleum hydrocarbons as food for something in order to produce single-cell protein (SCP). I found a few papers describing the use of petrochemical wastewater mixed with peptone and a trace of dipotassium phosphate. It was apparently used in Italy until banned in 1977 for economic reasons. I suppose it was judged more important to recover the hydrocarbons from the wastewater, rather than to use it as feed for SCP production.

Whether it would be acceptable for human consumption, though is a different question...

You'll imagine my dismay when I bought in some high energy feed blocks for my sheep and found that they were based on urea and from which, so I was advised, protein was extracted. I'll be honest, I was truly shocked.

They were sent back and I reverted back to 'straights'.

Alec.

 

[fburton]

So you would stamp on your brakes to save a horse that suddenly runs into your path and let the vehicle tailgating you run into your rear, would you? When I was taught to drive I was taught not to make any sudden changes to save an animal.

A valid point. Regarding city driving, I was taught to slam on the brakes for a football but not a dog, for the obvious reason. However, if someone is tailgating me I do try to get out of that situation or at least make things safer for myself and the tailgater.

 

[fburton]

There isn't one mention I can find anywhere online about the production of protein from petrochemicals. Can you find me a source? I think you may be confusing the fact the petrochemicals can be used to split out proteins from plant sources?

"I'm sure I saw it on Tomorrow's World once."

 

[fburton]

I heard they were a bunch of fun guys

But with questionable morels.

 

[Archangel]

For those who haven't noticed, OF joined forum a month ago, stormed straight into being a prolific poster and attempts to raise an argument on pretty much every thread he joins.

The posting style reminds me of FirstClassAlan - anyone remember him?

if he isn't a troll he's a pretty offensive idiot at times.

FirstClassAlan was a bit

but he did liven things up a bit.

 

[ycbm]

But with questionable morels.

Boom boom!! Very good, FB

 

[ycbm]

The posting style reminds me of FirstClassAlan - anyone remember him?



FirstClassAlan was a bit

but he did liven things up a bit.

I don't remember him. I think Old Fogie is a lot of fun as long as no-one gets upset or takes anything he says as true without double checking first.


What a great emoji!

 

[Clodagh]

But with questionable morels.

I actually geddit! Very clever.

 

[OldFogie]

.... I think Old Fogie is a lot of fun ...

Well, Gee, shucks! Most people would probably say that I am a "fun guy" - out in the real world I usually greet disaster with laughter more than tears.

as long as no-one gets upset...

that could be difficult by the looks of it as folk here seem to take offence very easily, often seeing one like my mare saw ghosties in the hedge.

..... or takes anything he says as true without double checking first.

I would be the first to reccommend double checking - so long as one bares in mind that most things written down were originally wrong and have been repeated ever since by folk who couldn't be bothered to double check.

What a great emoji!

I might adopt it as an avatar! Reminds me of Hymns Ancient & Modern (117) if I remember - "his chariots of wrath, deep thunderclouds form - and dark is his path on the wings of a storm." Hahaha.

 

[OldFogie]

BTW - in fifty six years of driving - I've "slammed on my brakes" once - the emergency stop in my driving test. Ever since then I followed my Chief Flying Instructor's famous phrase on avoiding incidents that might call upon superior flying skills - KEEP LOOKING OUT OF F'ING WINDOW!

 

[ycbm]

BTW - in fifty six years of driving - I've "slammed on my brakes" once - the emergency stop in my driving test.

If you have spent fifty six years driving and never had anyone pull out on you unexpectedly or a cat/dog/deer/sheep/child come out of nowhere, then you've led an extremely sheltered driving existence. If your experience was normal then there would be no need for an emergency stop in the driving test.

 

[HEM]

BTW - in fifty six years of driving - I've "slammed on my brakes" once - the emergency stop in my driving test. Ever since then I followed my Chief Flying Instructor's famous phrase on avoiding incidents that might call upon superior flying skills - KEEP LOOKING OUT OF F'ING WINDOW!

Now that is a ridiculous claim. I have been driving only 3 years and I have a number of times needed to 'slam on my breaks' - not necessary anything to do with my driving but the people/objects around me.

 

[OldFogie]

Now that is a ridiculous claim.

Hmmm, well look, I'm sort of new here but in the relatively short time I've been posting, I get the impression that most folks are pretty touchy on personal criticisms. I put it to you, click on my posts, read my stuff, do I look like the kind of person who writes "ridiculous" material? I've been in large businesses, done important stuff with stern faces look at me expectantly - when I post a simple little thing on here - kindly accept it for what it is. I do not and have not slammed on my brakes. Mind you, I've probably p.o.'d quite a few folk behind me.

.....and I have a number of times needed to 'slam on my breaks' - not necessary anything to do with my driving but the people/objects around me.

And I bet they all could have been avoided with a little more attention. I'm sorry to keep bring up flying but it's appropriate again - Aviate, Navigate and Communicate - notice the order? Fly the damn plane, know where you are going and then tell people.

I will grant you that there could be scenarios where other people cause one problems - I have watched World's Craziest Drivers but most of those incidents take two to tango.

 

[HEM]

I don't believe you are touching on anyone's personal criticisms and I also don't see how being in large businesses alters your driving capability. I am also currently in a large business doing 'important stuff' maybe that changes your views on the way I drive?

Personally I don't know how to fly a plane and I will be the first to admit that, but I do have a driving license and as previously stated there are reasons you are taught to do an emergency stop. Don't judge a book.

 

[Alec Swan]

The posting style reminds me of FirstClassAlan - anyone remember him?

FirstClassAlan was a bit

but he did liven things up a bit.

Alan was a thoroughly decent bloke. He did go on a bit, we know, but he left when he was hounded by two women on here both making the most shameful and ill-founded accusations — it wasn't a day when HHO was at it's best.

Alec.

 

[OldFogie]

I don't believe you are touching on anyone's personal criticisms

Sorry, you seem to have missed my drift - my point is - other posters get the hump very quickly even if they have to imagine an insult.

... and I also don't see how being in large businesses alters your driving capability

Not necessarily no, but it does infer a certain competence in stating matters correctly. Lives depended on my decisions (or at least I'd be blamed for them ending!) therefore what I write is not ridiculous - you may not agee, that is your prerogative but merely another opinion not a fact.

..... I am also currently in a large business doing 'important stuff' maybe that changes your views

Well I hope you can run it without slamming the brakes on. (that was far too easy.)

...as previously stated there are reasons you are taught to do an emergency stop.

Well, since you bring it up - why? Everything in the modern method of tuitition is geared ( note the motoring analogy) to thinking ahead and foreseeing potential problems. I could probably see the necessity of it say, in my test days because half the folk turning up for one could hardly control the car and the idea of "if in doubt - both feet out" was a good way of the examiner checking to see if you could still steer in a stressful situation but it should probably be condemned to the historical scrapyard.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Aviate, Navigate and Communicate - notice the order? Fly the damn plane, know where you are going and then tell people.

Isn't the correct order Communicate, Navigate, Aviate?

As in

• Communicate: file your flight plan that you want to go from A to B
• Navigate: work out point A to point B taking into account wind that would make you deviate from a straight line,
• Aviate: start engines, taxi, take off, fly, land, taxi.

 

[OldFogie]

Isn't the correct order Communicate, Navigate, Aviate?

Ah, Keith - I think you are confusing general commonsense with particularly partisan opinion expressed in bombastic terms within selective groups - try this :- https://www.pea.com/blog/posts/6-pilot-rules-that-everyone-should-live-by/

It's still not compulsory to file a flight plan for general aviation (little planes) - it makes the search for a downed one so much more exciting when you have no idea where to look!

To be fair to the spirit of A.N.C. - it really refers to what you should be doing actually in the aircraft while in control - you'll be amazed by the amount of headless chickens get to be in the lefthand seat! I wouldn't like to unduly worry the nervous flyers here but this is truly enlightening :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJND9CE7Euc where no less than three, highly qualified, well educated men managed to drop a fully loaded Airbus into sea while it was working perfectly.

 

[ycbm]

Well, since you bring it up - why? Everything in the modern method of tuitition is geared ( note the motoring analogy) to thinking ahead and foreseeing potential problems. I could probably see the necessity of it say, in my test days because half the folk turning up for one could hardly control the car and the idea of "if in doubt - both feet out" was a good way of the examiner checking to see if you could still steer in a stressful situation but it should probably be condemned to the historical scrapyard.

OF please don't treat us like idiots just to get IPC to pay you to get the view count up.

The emergency stop is taught and required because people, especially children, step/run/bike/skate out from between parked cars where they can't be seen and into the road where they might be killed, on a regular basis.

 

[Sussexbythesea]

Please stay OldFogie I don’t know whether you’re a “plant” or otherwise but your posts amuse me. Plus this forum is dominated by a handful of opinionated people and it’s entertaining that you’re winding them up intentionally or not

 

[fburton]

The emergency stop is taught and required because people, especially children, step/run/bike/skate out from between parked cars where they can't be seen and into the road where they might be killed, on a regular basis.

This happened to me twice. Once a child ran out on to the road. It was small enough not to be visible above the top of the parked vehicles. Fortunately I was going at 25mph on a 30mph road, slower than the limit because of all the parked cars, and slow enough that when I slammed on the brakes I stopped with a couple of yards to spare. I cannot be sure that with more gentle braking I wouldn't have hit the child.

The other time, I was driving through Kirkintilloch and a dog ran out of the front garden and on to the road. I did an emergency stop (I knew there wasn't a car immediately behind me) but still hit the dog. Fortunately it was just bruised and shaken. The owner was apologetic, and I called by the nearest police station to report the incident. Again, the outcome would have been worse for the dog (and possibly my car) if I hadn't braked so hard.

That's two occasions in decades of driving. Emergency braking is rare, but may still be necessary even if one maintains a high level of vigilance and anticipation.

 

[ycbm]

Please stay OldFogie I don’t know whether you’re a “plant” or otherwise but your posts amuse me. Plus this forum is dominated by a handful of opinionated people and it’s entertaining that you’re winding them up intentionally or not

Yes, stay! I've already posted several times that I find Old Fogie amusing. He's great fun, but on this thread he's been stupid and insulting to good drivers out there who know how to use an emergency stop and why, and don't blame a lorry driver for killing a horse on a motorway. It's a great shame that we don't have as many posts these days so that those of us who still post a lot look like we are dominating. But since the forum needs to sell advertising and can't if it doesn't get visits, you really should be thanking us through your gritted teeth And there's not much point posting if you don't have an opinion, is there

 

[ycbm]

This happened to me twice. Once a child ran out on to the road. It was small enough not to be visible above the top of the parked vehicles. Fortunately I was going at 25mph on a 30mph road, slower than the limit because of all the parked cars, and slow enough that when I slammed on the brakes I stopped with a couple of yards to spare. I cannot be sure that with more gentle braking I wouldn't have hit the child.

The other time, I was driving through Kirkintilloch and a dog ran out of the front garden and on to the road. I did an emergency stop (I knew there wasn't a car immediately behind me) but still hit the dog. Fortunately it was just bruised and shaken. The owner was apologetic, and I called by the nearest police station to report the incident. Again, the outcome would have been worse for the dog (and possibly my car) if I hadn't braked so hard.

That's two occasions in decades of driving. Emergency braking is rare, but may still be necessary even if one maintains a high level of vigilance and anticipation.

Exactly FB.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

A young child ran out between parked cars straight in front of me. It was in a school zone so 20mph speed limit. I was going about 10mph because it was busy with little kids and parked cars! So plenty of forethought and anticipation of potential problems. But I still had to emergency brake and missed the child by no more than a yard.