Horses tucking up badly?

Nicole-Louise

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At the moment, out of 21 horses on the yard, there are at least 15 that are struggling with weight. However, approximately 17 of them are all cobs, and the other 4 are an Arab, 2 thoroughbreds and my girl who is an Irish Sport Horse. These 4 are struggling the most, even though the cobs are losing their weight quite badly.

One of the thoroughbreds is 5 years old and an ex-racer, he is on 3 feeds a day, ad lib hay and turnout during the day and stabled at night. Last week he had put on s much weight. Within a week he has lost everything (even though feeds, turnout etc are all the same), and has started to tuck up VERY badly. And he isn't keeping his weight on at all.

My 3 year old is also the same. She is on 3 feeds a day, balancers, ad lib hay, long periods of turnout in varying fields. Her weight was perfect the other week, however, she too has started losing weight, she's lost her covering on her ribs slightly and is starting to tuck up. She is only in light work to keep her ticking and try to slowly build her up, but even this isn't enough. She's also double rugged, lightweight stable rug underneath, and a heavyweight rug on the top. Have checked and she isn't too hot, she's a comfortable warmth. She's eating and drinking plenty too..


However, I did notice when my mare was eating the other day, she'd stop and start swinging her head constantly to her stomach, would bite at it, keep flicking her tail then carry on eating. If you touch around her flank, she tucks her stomach in. I've been keeping an eye on her, and others have too and she's acting her usual self. No other signs.


Both are up to date with vaccinations, worming etc. Although we are having worm counts done as precautions again. We've tried everything, from build up feed which both are still on, stabling, balancers, etc. They're losing weight rapidly.


Does anyone have any idea what to try? In spring she triples her weight, they both do. But it's worrying to see them like this in such a short time :(
 
What are their droppings like? Are they farting a lot? My first thoughts are sugar content in grasses and hay? Has there been a new supply of hay or haylage? Nutrient and sugar content, of hay especially, can vary dramatically. Worms is another or have they been wormed recently?
It has been colder and this affects grass. Feeding some yea sacc or similar might help if they're not on it already. Have they all got (edible) hay left in the mornings?
Just some ideas...
 
is your horse clipped, the horses at work fully clipped are wearing less rugs than that, it has been a lot warmer this last week so we have reduced rugs accordingly-are you sure she is not too hot. i would be very concerned if that many horses at the same time on the same yard were dropping weight.
are the definatly getting all the hay and feed you are told they are?
i would be wanting grazing and hay analysed as well as feed.

i would be very concerned indeed
 
I agree, it is concerning. Another thing to consider is the drinking water.

Are there any new staff or liveries that are responsible for feed/haying? Also, I had a batch of hay recently the horses just would not eat. They picked through it but left most of it.
 
my guess would be the forage ! you could try buying small bale hayledge for a week for yours to see if there is an improvement to prove or disprove it !

I would be swapping immediately as last thing you want is a nice vets bill for colic or worse - if not forage then test grazing next.

Virus could be another possibility as soo many struggling ! take temps to see if any are showing signs !

good luck.
 
I agree, it is concerning. Another thing to consider is the drinking water.

Are there any new staff or liveries that are responsible for feed/haying? Also, I had a batch of hay recently the horses just would not eat. They picked through it but left most of it.

I had exactly this problem. Both if mine dropped a fairly significant amount of weight but just wouldn't eat enough of the hay. Looked and smelled fine to me but they just wouldn't eat it. Have changed back to haylage provider I used last winter and they're now eating this fine. I have found though that they are needing more hard feed this winter than they did last year which I put down to quality of forage available. Last year was so wet, think it has affected hay/haylage and when this accounts for majority of their diet .....
 
What are their droppings like? Are they farting a lot? My first thoughts are sugar content in grasses and hay? Has there been a new supply of hay or haylage? Nutrient and sugar content, of hay especially, can vary dramatically. Worms is another or have they been wormed recently?
It has been colder and this affects grass. Feeding some yea sacc or similar might help if they're not on it already. Have they all got (edible) hay left in the mornings?
Just some ideas...

Droppings haven't changed, usual rounded pellet forms, not hard, nor water like. Soft formed, if this makes any sense? Both eat all of their hay, and still want more. Both of them are greedy, finish all their food without leaving any. And they don't rush either, quite relaxed eaters.
Hay is off the same supplier, and worming is up to date. But we are sending off worm counts just to make sure we've covered it all.

No hay left in mornings, everything is eaten x
 
is your horse clipped, the horses at work fully clipped are wearing less rugs than that, it has been a lot warmer this last week so we have reduced rugs accordingly-are you sure she is not too hot. i would be very concerned if that many horses at the same time on the same yard were dropping weight.
are the definatly getting all the hay and feed you are told they are?
i would be wanting grazing and hay analysed as well as feed.

i would be very concerned indeed

My horse isn't clipped, but the 5 year old tb is fully clipped and wears a fleece and heavyweight on top. Mine tends to feel the cold, I've tried her with just one rug and she dropped quite a bit of weight, whereas with 2 she tends to keep it on.
I feed her myself both hard feed and hay. Grazing is awful so we're having to make the most of it whilst we can. We've had the hay and grass already analysed and I have put her on a vitamin/mineral balancer to compensate for what it lacks x
 
If there is no hay left, the first thing to do is give them more so there is some still there every morning, unless you know exactly how much they eat they could be spending hours every night with nothing.
 
If there is no hay left, the first thing to do is give them more so there is some still there every morning,
Ditto this. Forage is where horses get most of their nutrients and insufficient is the number one cause of weight loss and gut upset. I get hay off one supplier but he buys hay from all over so it varies considerably. I know because I have a laminitic. If hay is high in sugars she gets footy almost immediately so I have to soak it all.

Haylage might be the answer but it can bring its own problems for some horses and you need to feed quite a bit more due to it's higher water content. If you can get a reliable supply of well made haylage it might be worth a try but it sounds like this is a one off circumstance or does it happen each year?

High sugar and starch upsets the hind gut balance of micro flora and fermentaion and this affects nutrient uptake so look to the bucket feeds as well as forage for high levels of these. People feed poor doers high calorie feed and wonder why they can't keep weight on. Decent low sugar and starch forage is the foundation of a good diet.
ps. Also if the grass is very poor it might be worth putting hay out in the field as well.
 
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