House training

Have you tried only giving her a small meal in the evening and feed her earlier , maybe 4 ish? Mine have their main meal in the morning and a smaller one later , my thinking is that they get most of their poos done during the day and the last one at night should be all there is to come out for a while
 
Gorgeous pup!!

Our fox red was a nightmare to house train. She was nearly a year old before she really clicked on. Not a single mess since. Sorry, that's not helpful!! My PJRT was brilliant as is our new black lab pup, thank goodness!!
 
Flowerofthefen said:
Gorgeous pup!!

Our fox red was a nightmare to house train. She was nearly a year old before she really clicked on. Not a single mess since. Sorry, that's not helpful!! My PJRT was brilliant as is our new black lab pup, thank goodness!!
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Fox red what?

Sorry… but it’s one of my pet hates!! 😳😁
 
My BWs were terrible to house train. I have never had dogs toilet on the furniture before..! However there were 3 of them so I knew it would take longer and I am very free range in my dog raising now 😂and all sleep in the bed etc. at 10 months it suddenly clicked.
 
splashgirl45 said:
Have you tried only giving her a small meal in the evening and feed her earlier , maybe 4 ish? Mine have their main meal in the morning and a smaller one later , my thinking is that they get most of their poos done during the day and the last one at night should be all there is to come out for a while
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I’ve tried most permutations of when to feed, sometimes she doesn’t eat until 3pm, which obviously pushes the evening feed back. Awkward little creature! I can’t go to one feed a day at her age - ideally she’d still be on three but she won’t eat that often.
 
Clodagh said:
Will she eat wet food?
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She came on frozen which she wasn’t fussed about. She doesn’t mind wet, and tbh she likes her dry, she’s just not food driven.

She is crated to eat, fed at the same time as Rew. She would like to get in his bowl, so she ignores her food while he eats (a few feet away, within earshot), once he has finished I have tried leaving her in the crate for half an hour, or letting her out to see his bowl is empty and shoving her back in - neither of these works. She generally eats a few hours later. 🙄 she’s obviously getting enough as she looks great and poo is plentiful and firm… it’s just that some aspects of training are harder than others!
 
KEK said:
My BWs were terrible to house train. I have never had dogs toilet on the furniture before..! However there were 3 of them so I knew it would take longer and I am very free range in my dog raising now 😂and all sleep in the bed etc. at 10 months it suddenly clicked.
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What are BWs?
 
Spotherisk said:
She came on frozen which she wasn’t fussed about. She doesn’t mind wet, and tbh she likes her dry, she’s just not food driven.

She is crated to eat, fed at the same time as Rew. She would like to get in his bowl, so she ignores her food while he eats (a few feet away, within earshot), once he has finished I have tried leaving her in the crate for half an hour, or letting her out to see his bowl is empty and shoving her back in - neither of these works. She generally eats a few hours later. 🙄 she’s obviously getting enough as she looks great and poo is plentiful and firm… it’s just that some aspects of training are harder than others!
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Maybe try feeding him in the other room so she doesn’t have to think about it?
And if she looks ok I’d train her what constitutes feed time rather than her telling you.
I’d also try something really tasty for breakfast like tinned chappie.

I know you weren’t asking about feeding but 7pm is very late imo, for last dinner.
 
Clodagh said:
Maybe try feeding him in the other room so she doesn’t have to think about it?
And if she looks ok I’d train her what constitutes feed time rather than her telling you.
I’d also try something really tasty for breakfast like tinned chappie.

I know you weren’t asking about feeding but 7pm is very late imo, for last dinner.
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We generally feed at 6pm, last walk is around 11.30pm though so 7 is okay - she will often poo in the evening (outside!) and sometimes again at 11.30pm, she just can’t go (or just doesn’t try, or prefers to shit indoors) all night. Wearing. I do feed at a similar time each day, but sometimes she doesn’t eat it. Now she’s older I’m not so fussed if she misses a meal but at still under 5kg I’d prefer she ate! Maybe I should feed her with the other five, she’d have drive to eat then! 🤣

I haven’t tried tinned but she was briefly on Forthglade (could take or leave it), I’ve tried a bit of warm water on the food to bring out the smell, doesn’t care. I’ve tried yogurt, licks it off in a half hearted manner. She would live on training treats given by hand if she could! Oh and I’ve done training using her food and she’ll eat it then. She’s just not that fussed about meal times.
 
Spotherisk said:
We generally feed at 6pm, last walk is around 11.30pm though so 7 is okay - she will often poo in the evening (outside!) and sometimes again at 11.30pm, she just can’t go (or just doesn’t try, or prefers to shit indoors) all night. Wearing. I do feed at a similar time each day, but sometimes she doesn’t eat it. Now she’s older I’m not so fussed if she misses a meal but at still under 5kg I’d prefer she ate! Maybe I should feed her with the other five, she’d have drive to eat then! 🤣

I haven’t tried tinned but she was briefly on Forthglade (could take or leave it), I’ve tried a bit of warm water on the food to bring out the smell, doesn’t care. I’ve tried yogurt, licks it off in a half hearted manner. She would live on training treats given by hand if she could! Oh and I’ve done training using her food and she’ll eat it then. She’s just not that fussed about meal times.
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Well hopefully she’ll grow out of it one day.
 
Hopefully she’s just being a bit fussy but if she stays a not a good eater IBD (inflammatory bowl disease /chronic enteropathy) would be worth considering, not uncommon in dogs IME.
She’s sooooo cute
 
Night time pooping continues. She went out at 9 pm and 11:30 pm and pooped both times and within six hours has pooped in her crate. She’s now being fed at 5 pm next to my other dog which is giving her more drive to eat so we seem to have sorted that out. Poops are good, solid, don’t smell, about the size of a woman’s middle finger which is about right for the size of the dog.

Do I take her out out of her large crate with her pee pad down and go back to a small crate with no pee pad and take the risk that we’re going to get poopy bedding again? Or do I move that small crate next to our bed (husband not keen) so I hear her move at night, given that she never asks to go out? We are well set up for quick exit to the garden!
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If the crate is not in your bedroom, have you tried it having it in there before. It could be a separation anxiety issue, not her digestive system ?

Also look at what you are feeding, maybe change the type of protein ( lots of dogs have issues with chicken/beef/salmon) or if the food has grain etc. My beddie whippet pup had many poos on kibble, but much better on a mixture of raw and cooked.
 
Thanks @Teaselmeg thankfully she doesn’t have separation anxiety - she trots into her crate during the day and evening if she fancies, and waking her up or getting her out of bed is more difficult! She arrived on raw, which she didn’t like, and I loathed (I’m vegetarian), we have tried Forthglade and she wasn’t fussed, but hopefully now I am closer to getting her into a routine with when she eats. Today I’ve weighed food again to check I was about right with the amount I feed (I was), today she’s had half for breakfast, and I’m going to trial 1/4 at lunch and the final 1/4 at around 5pm. I don’t want to keep switching her food about whilst she is still relatively young. Poo has always been generally good. I am hoping she’ll just grow out of it really!
 
OP, I think now I would be looking very carefully at the ingredients in what you are feeding. It's beginning to seem as if she could be reacting to something, as that is a lot of (very badly timed) pooing.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
OP, I think now I would be looking very carefully at the ingredients in what you are feeding. It's beginning to seem as if she could be reacting to something, as that is a lot of (very badly timed) pooing.
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A lot of evening pooing yes. She’s on Essentials small breed puppy. It is a good product - our other six dogs are on the adult working dog. She looks and acts fab. She likes fish and is very happy to get a few nuggets of Essentials Nautical (but they are massive!). As she is so tiny, around 5kg, I don’t want to chop and change and upset her digestion as the only issue is night time poo, and I do want to stay on kibble. She doesn’t like her dry food wetted and hasn’t been excited about wet food.
 

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That's not a brand I know but no matter how good she looks something isn't quite right and investigating the diet is a good place to start.
As I've said before, though, ours have their last meal at 11.00pm and don't poo during the night. The older ones rarely had accidents even as pups, they were practically house-trained when they left the breeder at 8 weeks. The younger one was 5 months old when we got her, the move upset her system but she was clean overnight by about 6 months, if I remember rightly.
So unless its a vet issue, it has to be something to do with either ingredients or timing and if the others are fine with the timing but eat different ingredients, I would start with the ingredients.

Eta, having looked at the website, I would suspect that the chicken is causing her problem.
 
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Pearlsasinger said:
That's not a brand I know but no matter how good she looks something isn't quite right and investigating the diet is a good place to start.
As I've said before, though, ours have their last meal at 11.00pm and don't poo during the night. The older ones rarely had accidents even as pups, they were practically house-trained when they left the breeder at 8 weeks. The younger one was 5 months old when we got her, the move upset her system but she was clean overnight by about 6 months, if I remember rightly.
So unless its a vet issue, it has to be something to do with either ingredients or timing and if the others are fine with the timing but eat different ingredients, I would start with the ingredients.

Eta, having looked at the website, I would suspect that the chicken is causing her problem.
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If she had a dietary allergy I’m sure the poo wouldn’t be as ‘healthy’ as it is.
 
I don’t think there’s a problem with the food. Pup came to me at 8-9 weeks, in November- it being a grim wet winter she had spent a lot of time indoors so that natural go outside to poo wasn’t in her mindset - and still isn’t really. I suspect that unless I offer her to go out she would nip under the dining room table with no qualms and deposit there. I did try the late night feed but it did not change anything - we just seem to be in a routine where she has a private night time poop 🙄 thankfully they are absolutely solid, inoffensive little numbers!
 
For me it sounds like a combination of having a small bowel and probably being a precious princess about the cold/wet, as a thin-coated and skinned type.

How she was raised in the litter will also have had an impact in knowing where to go, I've seen it umpteen times where a puppy has gone on a certain type of flooring in early life and takes a long time for them to get out of that habit.
 
CorvusCorax said:
For me it sounds like a combination of having a small bowel and probably being a precious princess about the cold/wet, as a thin-coated and skinned type.

How she was raised in the litter will also have had an impact in knowing where to go, I've seen it umpteen times where a puppy has gone on a certain type of flooring in early life and takes a long time for them to get out of that habit.
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Thank you, and yes the pups were raised indoors, there were puppy pads and a wood shaving area. Fake grass in the garden but the weather was so awful that there would have been a lot of indoor time. I will persevere and hopefully better weather will help.

She has no issue with going out in any weather, I do stick a coat etc on her, but obviously she does get cold quickly. If she pees then wants to go back inside she’s picked up and taken further down the garden and normally goes - she normally always does both when taken outside. Very often doesn’t poo or wee when away from home - that’ll come in time.
 
Apologies if I've said this before but most of my dogs have needed to really move around/be taken for a walk on a leash before they poo. Even if they had been in a crate overnight or kennel during a working day or if I was out (and mine are clean in kennel), could take 15 or 20 minutes or more to do a poo.

Someone I know raised a litter in a garage/shed with mats on a concrete floor. A new owner took months and months to stop his puppy going on any sort of mat or carpet in the house.

And I think there was a dog on here that preferred wooden flooring as the house they grew up in had decking where they toileted.
 
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