How bad is this??

as i said in my pm, DO contact Dubble...she'd give you loads of support with this, having gone through it herself with Snowey...
 
Yes AmyMay...I bought Henry about 9 weeks ago, and apparantly there's nothing wrong with the condition of the guys horses....it's deemed acceptable, and the guy has wormer and feed on his property....so obviously he MUST use it.

To give you a quick recap, henry's an 18 yr old TB gelding who lived out in a small bare paddock with several other horses, all winter, with no rugs, no shelter and hay every few days which would probabl amount to 2-2 1/2 between them all per week....

I paid £100 for him and he came home with me that afternoon.

That was about 9 weeks ago now and he's getting there, slowly....very, very slowly...

JM I'll PM Dubble, I was talking to her about something else last night and she seems nice, Epsom and a few others have also been very supportive.
 
There was a photo in PG the other week about a horse that was bought from a similar situation.

The transformation in some 5 months has been dramatic. It was fed I believe on D&H Build up cubes. Someone will remember who posted it - you may have seen it.

Good luck, and as others, would love to see updates.

Poor lad. Well done you.
 
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......My missus and her friend mucked out, fed and watered this animal otherwise it would have died. The r.s.p.c.a told her NOT to feed and water it in order for them to get a conviction. They actually expected her to feed and water her own animal while the one in the next stable was left without. All they cared about was getting the conviction of the owner, not the welfare of the animal. Feckin clowns......

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As far as I can see, there's no indication when this actually took place. Under the old Welfare Act, unless an animal was deemed to be suffering, then BY LAW, the RSPCA or any other welfare organisation couldn't intervene.

http://www.redwings.org.uk/lfts/welfare-law.pdf
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"It is not uncommon for equines to be fed and watered by members of the public to compensate for apparent neglect. Unfortunately, this means that should a welfare officer investigate, because the animals are fed and watered and therefore not suffering, no action can be taken"

Included in updated Animal Welfare Act 2006:

http://www.harrogate.gov.uk/localdemocracy/search/ViewSelectedDocument_public.asp?DocumentID=12184
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The Animal Welfare Act 2006 will.... "allow action to protect animals to be taken much earlier, rather than have to wait for an animal to show signs of suffering eg: enforcers will be able to intervene before suffering begins"

I've no doubt the RSPCA do get it wrong at times, but maybe their hands where well and truly tied on this occassion?
 
to be honest i think alot depends on the luck of the draw of the inspector, i do have a low opinion of the rspca but i cant really knock them on my neglect case, ok there communication with me is pants, but thanks to vet and farrier i know they are acting and prosocting the stupid woman. pluto is looking amazing now.

i think we also have to think about the good they do do and the cases that they have that are successful, its not all bad.
 
Well in my opinion they are useless. I have had many dealings with them and they proved utterly clueless and even less interested. Give them a chance to get their shiny uniforms on TV and they're there being "ernest" and frequently "outraged". Any opportunity to get some public funding their way and they are keen to be seen and heard. I'm sure there must be decent officers amongst them but I have never encountered one.
 
same here PWH........I was even threatened by one because one of my rescues had a terrible skin condition when she came to me and the best thing for her was fresh air and sunlight so she went out without a rug. RSPCA turned up and demanded proof that she was a rescue (fair enough) then insisted that I had to have her "looking right" within a month or she was going to call in a vet and apply for a prosecution! FFS I run a RESCUE yard...they wouldn't be with me if they were in top notch condition...bloody idiots!
 
the most utterly rediculous situation i had with them was quite recent, actually.

i've had them visit on the odd occasion because i've bought Scraps at a sale and they, admittedly looked poor, but this took the biscuit....

i'd mentioned on another Forum that when i went to my yard that particular morning i noticed that i'd forgotten to put in a tub trug of water into the stable the previous night, and how i was a baaad owner, but hey-ho as the pony wasn't harmed we all had a laugh about it....

within 2 hours...i kid you not!!!..an RSPCA officer/inspector rolled up someone had read the thread and rang the RSPCA and made a complaint!!!!!!!

he spent the next 40 minutes snooping around and as i had had previous visits from them, things were of concern to him!!!!

i just left him to it, carred on with my yard work and said IF and WHEN you actually find something of interest, i'd be mucking out.

the advice he gave me????

store my feed in solid bins..just incase a pony gets into the store, it COULD be a colic waiting to happen!!!

PMSL.................and joe public pays the wages of that idiot!!!
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Didn't Boodle have some problem regarding the horses she was looking after in that she would have to deliberately neglect them before the RSPCA (or was it the ILPH?) would step in and do something to help? She knew that if she stopped going to them, the owners wouldn't take over so it would have been Boodle doing the neglecting? Caused her no end of distress, being given that directive.
 
if Joe Public feels the need to help puppies and pussy's then they'd do better by supporting the PDSA......
 
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absolutely JM. What are The Blue Cross like? I haven't had anything to do with them

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no, nor me....they deal with horses/ponies too....
 
I have no time for the RSPCA and wonder if eventually they will end up winding the whole thing up.
The people who used to leave them legacies etc have been seriously peed off by their hunting stance, and people like me refuse to donate after seeing lambs drown in liquid mud during Foot and mouth. Anyone with half a brain could have lifted pallets then bales of straw over the fence with a long tractor loader then the lambs could have had a place to dry off. No, they allowed them to drown.
They would get short shift if they appeared here, the ILPH are welcome anytime unnannounced (the SW Inspector lives in the same village) but RSPCA, I'd lock the gates..
 
The Blue Cross have a place near me at Burford. They hold a show there every year and the helpers, Blue Cross staff, are typical 'jobsworths'. They all seem to have adopted the Natural Horsemanship approach and if a member of joe public is seen to be using any other type of 'persuasion' with a difficult horse or pony then they come down on them like a ton of hot bricks.

There are beautiful large buildings, well fenced paddocks and MANY well-paid staff but a friend of mine who worked in admin. left because too much money was being poured into 'deadstock' instead of livestock.
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I rehomed 2 cats from the local RSPCA rescue centre , suffice to say that I did it because I felt sorry for them, both long haired which was totally matted after a few weeks in caged confinement, various health issues appeared pretty fast and my vet was disgusted. Apparently the RSPCA claim that they give all animals they take in a full MOT. Just glad that I took both boys, if they can't uphold their alleged policies for cats what hope anything else....
 
How many of you have made complaints to the rspca? Do you action anything you say on here, or leave it as grievances on here? I wonder why so many people call the rspca but no other rescue or charities?
 
We went to Chester-le-Street Blue Cross to look at a pony. It all looked very impressive (full size swimming therapy thing)and the ponies were in good nick. I'm sorry to say my overall feeling was that the facitilites were a luxury private rest home for a small number of ponies so wrapped in red tape that you'd never really get one out of there.

The ILPH is full of similar creatures. Small companions and large companions and ponies with back and unlevelness issues, which I think would be better off 'not' if you get my meaning. Rehabilitate using the vast funds and be a pit stop for scraggy neglect cases til you sort out the wheat from the chaff and then re-home the fit, useful ones. 'JM07' the rest
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Doing a JM I'm going to call it from now on
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ETS I have wandered totally off topic here. Someone please start a new thread..........
 
I have made reports to them, a bunch of gypsy horses were tethered during the summer whilst it was particularly hot they had no water at all. I rang the RSPCA just to alert them and was told "they get sufficient water from the grass" I couldn't believe this was the response so I ended up traveling 15 miles a day to top up their water. A couple of weeks later they were moved.

As for other charities, I have had no reason to be annoyed by their behaviour but I can assure you that if I felt they had the same standards as the RSPCA I would feel exactly the same. This isn't a witch hunt but opinions on the way the RSPCA work or more often the case, DON'T work.
 
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How many of you have made complaints to the rspca? Do you action anything you say on here, or leave it as grievances on here? I wonder why so many people call the rspca but no other rescue or charities?

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i stopped calling the RSPCA about 12yrs ago...

ILPH/BHS everytime
 
Useless. I acted to assist in the removal of a number of horses some years ago, (one of which I kept and rehab'd), one went to another local rider for the same, the third was dead in the stable by the following morning totally emaciated and in foal.

These horses had been reported to the RSPCA for months by many people. The RSPCA guy that came out to see me, because I totally lost my rag in the end, said they would have to be dying in a ditch before they could do anything.

I found out not long after that the horses owner had a number of prosecutions for neglect of cattle.

ILPH everytime or put my hand in my pocket.
 
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The people who used to leave them legacies etc have been seriously peed off by their hunting stance,

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To tell you the truth, I doubt if the RSPCA have ever been left legacies or donations by hunt supporters anyway.

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...and people like me refuse to donate after seeing lambs drown in liquid mud during Foot and mouth. Anyone with half a brain could have lifted pallets then bales of straw over the fence with a long tractor loader then the lambs could have had a place to dry off. No, they allowed them to drown.


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During the F&M outbreak, when MAFF restrictions where in place. I personally witnessed the RSPCA coming to the aid of lambs and ewes that where trapped in a waterlogged field. They erected a make shift shelter to help protect the animals and even arranged for a load of wood chippings to be delivered. Fortunately, as my sheep where on higher ground, they didn't experience such bad conditions.

If I remember correctly, there was also an RSPCA help line phone number that people could contact during the F&M outbreak, to donate food or bedding for animals in trouble.

So, IMO, far from being perfect, the RSPCA does get it right sometimes.
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