How bad is this??

i phoned the r.s.p.c.a after visiting a dealers yard where every horse looked like that,they were chained to one another all in a line inc mares in foal so if one moved they all had to move,one had very bad wire cuts all over it.while i was there i witnessed a horse being "run up" which involved a beating with a bit of 4 by 2.i was told that because there was hay(1 round bale)and water(1 trough)there was nothing they could do.i found it very very disturbing and came away in tears!my faith in rspca is nil.these dealers are still advertising.it makes me sick!!!
 
It is when I read threads such as this it really makes me feel sick to be called a human being it really does. I cannot believe the condition in which some people keep their horses and yet the very organisations which are meant to oversee welfare and a duty of care to animals repeatedly fail to see when intervention is required.
I cannot understand how one of the horses posted earlier, Henry was perceived by the RSPCA as being in an acceptable condition. That poor, bloody horse. If that is acceptable then I will eat my hat. I am both saddened by this thread but also thrilled to read of heartwarming stories where horses have been rescued and their lives turned around.
Bankendrescue that palomino mare is stunning and you should be very proud of what you have achieved.
I just think too many people perceive equines and indeed animals as commodities. To do with them what they like. Feed, water and as they like. Treat as they like, in which in some cases even beatings are perfectly acceptable in 'their' eyes. When the animal is no longer deemed useful or suitable for their needs, it is either killed, abandoned or simply neglected to a point in which death can only be a relief for the poor soul.
Recent stories have been emerging in the press about horses being found dead in lanes or else left for dead ( the case about the mare that had legs tied and sheeting around her belly and left to die was appalling).
I know events such as this have been happening for a long time. Neglect, starvation and abuse of equines will always continue so long as those who are responsible for such actions feel they are above the law and either won't be caught or punished. The deterrents for animal cruelty is just not enough in my opinion. Maybe after the recent Amersham case it has increased public awareness of such cases and even if the case all blows over when all the facts come to light then at least we can hope there will be a positive outcome for the future welfare of equines.
Anyway I would also like to say that I take my hat off to people like bankendrescue and JM07 who offer to give equines another chance at life.
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I have been trying not to say anything on this as the point has been said but i can't not.
For the people that have been on our website the horse my dog ran off to was Tuppence. I did not know a horse could be so thin and still be alive. She had horrendouse rainscold and lice in what hair she had left. She was tethered with a very heavy chain.
I had to do something. I called the RSPCA. They said there was nothing they could as someone came to feed her when they arrived - stale crusts of bread! She had no water - they get it from the grass!
I rang the council as she was on one of our commons - it is illegal in our commons act to tether a horse on the common and also illegal to have one unregistered. If a horse is found flouting these laws they are impounded.
I got the council and rspca to come out together and took them a copy of the bye laws. They were not at all interested and did nothing. I spoke to my vet who i bumped into in a shop, he said to give her hay and not put a rug on her due to her skin condition. I started to do this and she flew at me for it. I tried every which way to get her help as i was adament i was not - Florin was still to raw in my heart.
One day she dragged her chain up and started standing opposite my house - it overlooks the common. One day she laid down and did not have the strength to get up. I was trying to get her help every day but no-one would help her. I took her chain off and hid it. She finally got up but was very weak. I took a video of her and i was going to send it ti Rolph Harris. I begged people to help her but no-one would. I was finally given the owners tel number by the owners family - who was supposed to have been looking after her. I gave it to the rspca. Their response was "Its only got a week to live" and left it. I rang the owner. He was travelling and had left the £26,000 trotter in the care of his family. Yes that price is for real, i had all the hassle that followed from other people that knew the mare and each told me what she was worth when raceing. The owner said he would sell me her. I firmly told him i did not want her and she's not worth Tuppence - it became her name when i folded and said i would take her in. He gave her to me. She broke the bank getting her well. I will try and find the photo's, before and after at a show where the photographers made a bee line to her as she was so stunning. My vet said she would die when we took her in we were not a charity then by the way -. My farrier said her feet would never repair as they were in such a state. We had her 6 wonderful years before something went pop from a weakness when she was starved - starved by being kept in a tin hut with a dog. She had perfect feet in super condition herself. Sorry but i have a dim view of most of the RSPCA. There are so many stories i could tell i would be here a week telling them.
A pony was reported to the rspca by 100's of people A welsh a pulling a massive scrap cart built for a 15hh cob, piled full of scrap and towing a volvo car behind was just one of the occasions - no he was not a gypsy etc. The pony was emaciated and covered in sores. We took it one night. It was so ill it could not walk and someone helped us with a trailer. The next day i rang the police to confess i had pinched a pony. The police came saw the pony and how ill it was and they rang the rspca. We had a visiting officer on that day who normally works down south. An officer like they all should be. To cut a long story short i was a witness in court and the man got a 5 year ban - not long enough. He was a fantastic rspca officer. The only one i have ever met. I could write a book. It infuriates me. We became a charity out of necessity but we were better off when we weren't one. Another rant comeing on but i think this has been long enough.
 

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picked up 5 more today..

will be totally different little guys in 4 weeks
 
Silver_florin that is such a sad, sad story. I am glad that she had someone like you to look after her though.
I have sat and listened to a few stories about horses -and how the authorities have been so inactive- this past twelve months and at times I have literally been in tears.
I know someone personally who has had a right old battle in getting someone to listen and help. It is not just the stories of suffering that upsets me but how people who are supposed to care and be helping these animals appear to be constantly looking the other way. Were it not for do gooders and people with a conscience then I think it is suffice to say there would be a hell of a lot more animals in distress today.
At the end of the day though it should not be left up to these people ( no offence intended btw at anyone as I wholly commend what you do) to mop up after the mistakes and lack of care of others. I simply don't understand how we can be a supposedly 'caring' nation when we have animal welfare bills in place in order to ensure the care and welfare of animals and then incompetent people/organisations to enforce them.
I can understand that this whole matter is not clearcut but surely if people were doing their job properly then matters would not be escalating as bad as they are.
To err is human that is true but sadly in the case of animal welfare I feel that some humans just err too much for my liking.
Caz
 
.....and all the more sellable....sorry i did try to curb that comment and not type but i am compulsive im afraid and maybe a liitle cynical.

I guess at least they are alive and well and not on a butchers table and have the chance for life, where they didnt otherwise.

Its to be hoped these equines are sold to are responsible people.
 
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.....and all the more sellable....sorry i did try to curb that comment and not type but i am compulsive im afraid and maybe a liitle cynical.

I guess at least they are alive and well and not on a butchers table and have the chance for life, where they didnt otherwise.

Its to be hoped these equines are sold to are responsible people.

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exactly Blueberry...but i see nothing cynical in it??

i have at my yard, 2 equines that are, in my words, special needs....they have been there nearly 2 years, still waiting, if ever, for that Special person to come along..they are perfect conformation wise, just "different" mentally..i see no need for them to go to a sale or the butcher as yet..as they aren't costing me anything and yes, one day when i feel its right, they will go to a new home.
 
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.....and all the more sellable....sorry i did try to curb that comment and not type but i am compulsive im afraid and maybe a liitle cynical.

I guess at least they are alive and well and not on a butchers table and have the chance for life, where they didnt otherwise.

Its to be hoped these equines are sold to are responsible people.

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so whats the problem with them being sold then?
you have just said yourself thats its better than going to the meat man so i really fail to see why you made that comment towards JM07....

at least these ponies now have a real chance of finding love - with JM07 to start with and then a loving family afterwards.

i know some people have dim views on JM - but until you know what actually happens to these ponies - why comment??

i have seen pics via pm of some of JM07 ponies - all brought from auction - that are all stunning compared to how they came to her.

i really also doubt that JM would would just sell to anyone - when i asked about a pony for a child at my yard, JM07 specified that she wanted it to go to a nice home.
that was before she even told me any information on the pony in question.

rant over.
 
It seems to me that JM07 is sensible enough to know when there is a chance of a pony finding a good home, but also sensible enough to pull the plug when there is no hope. The evidence of what she can do speaks for itself in the photos that have been posted before. Far better that horses in the no hope situation are spared the further distress of doing the rounds of the sales or ending up in a neglectful home.

As for the RSPCA - I've not got much time for them. They've never helped out when I've needed them. I had a real go at one inspector at Southall sales, who stood back and watched a foal that should not have been away from its mother virtually hang itself. He said it was fit to be at the sales, so he couldn't do anything. Physically fit maybe, but mentally, no - it was suffering. They don't get a penny from me or my family.
 
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As for the RSPCA - I've not got much time for them. They've never helped out when I've needed them. I had a real go at one inspector at Southall sales, who stood back and watched a foal that should not have been away from its mother virtually hang itself. He said it was fit to be at the sales, so he couldn't do anything. Physically fit maybe, but mentally, no - it was suffering. They don't get a penny from me or my family.

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I was at a sale once. A little foal with its emaciated mum which had no milk. It was clearly apparant the foal had colic. A long story but the pair were imediately withdrawn from sale by the auctioneers and they got the RSPCA in. What did they say when it was rolling about in agaon? Its got an itchy coat! I stood my ground - against all the dealers shouting at me and people watching and insisted a vet be called - took hours in which time the foal passed pure worms. I tried speaking to the RSPCA officer asking about his equine experience and what he knows about colic. The vet did arrive many hours later and had to give emergancy treatment to a now very sick foal with colic. A lot more went on but that is the short story.
People offered me money to buy the foal so i could get it veterinary care. The RSPCA prevented it. I was told its "Stupid women like me why these dealers carry on" I did hold my temper and put my point politely!
 
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As for the RSPCA - I've not got much time for them. They've never helped out when I've needed them. I had a real go at one inspector at Southall sales, who stood back and watched a foal that should not have been away from its mother virtually hang itself. He said it was fit to be at the sales, so he couldn't do anything. Physically fit maybe, but mentally, no - it was suffering. They don't get a penny from me or my family.

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I was at a sale once. A little foal with its emaciated mum which had no milk. It was clearly apparant the foal had colic. A long story but the pair were imediately withdrawn from sale by the auctioneers and they got the RSPCA in. What did they say when it was rolling about in agaon? Its got an itchy coat! I stood my ground - against all the dealers shouting at me and people watching and insisted a vet be called - took hours in which time the foal passed pure worms. I tried speaking to the RSPCA officer asking about his equine experience and what he knows about colic. The vet did arrive many hours later and had to give emergancy treatment to a now very sick foal with colic. A lot more went on but that is the short story.
People offered me money to buy the foal so i could get it veterinary care. The RSPCA prevented it. I was told its "Stupid women like me why these dealers carry on" I did hold my temper and put my point politely!

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I'd have knocked the RSPCA guy out if he had said that to me! At both our local sales there has NEVER been any RSPCA or other welfare officers in attendance. Holmfirth is the worst....it breaches every rule in the book. Very few animals are sold through the ring, it's all done in the car park as most have no passports and are of "dubious" origins. The sale yard charges every wagon £5 to get in because they know the chances of the sale going through the ring is negligible therefore they won't get their commission.
 
Id certainly support BER in the comment about Holmfirth, horrible sale that takes me back to the old 'Pannal' sales the way the horses are chased around, and doesnt every single one of 'those' dealers have to have a little tap with their stick as the horse passes them. I remember many years ago, as a child, taking the stick from one of the gypsy kids and hitting him with it the way he hit the pony he was chasing - looking back I guess I was very lucky not to be strung up. I have never seen RSPCA reps at Holmfirth, and Im pretty sure Ive never seen them at York either.
 
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Best way to be..

the "Horse World" is VERY small...
 
God Pannal sales were bloody dreadful. We hear so may people saying that this type of sale should be closed down but in all honesty, if they were how would we, the general public be able to keep tabs and take in some of the sorry states that we do? What is needed is REGULATION to make the changes. The last thing we want is for the trade in these pitiful animals to be forced underground
 
I agree with that statement totally, how can regulations change?
A sale of this type is an ideal opportunity for the powers that be to liase with the sellers, build up some communication/relations with them and make assessments on all animals visiting the sale.

Is it so difficult to do? maybe we need to invite the ILPH etc to these sales? Do you think they would be interested to come.

I know we have talked of the RSPCA but i know that another well known organisation is not on hand to help when you would expect it.
Their campaigning brings in a lot of money but they will only spend it on what they choose to. I dont think any of the organisations successfuly, consistantly intervene on demand as needed.
It ends up coming down to kind hearted individuals and small charities to do whatever they can.
 
JM I think you do a fantastic job...You give these ponys a chance if they are good they go to lovely homes if not they go to horsey heaven.

If one day I can afford a horse again it will be you I would come and see to find me one, I just wish more of the bunny huggers on here would take the time to get to know what you do before they judge you
 
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......My missus and her friend mucked out, fed and watered this animal otherwise it would have died. The r.s.p.c.a told her NOT to feed and water it in order for them to get a conviction. They actually expected her to feed and water her own animal while the one in the next stable was left without. All they cared about was getting the conviction of the owner, not the welfare of the animal. Feckin clowns......

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They said the exact same thing to us when one of our liveries attendance at the yard was very sporadic - say once a week for his fully stabled horse. But can you walk past a horse that is neighing at you for food and water?
 
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They said the exact same thing to us when one of our liveries attendance at the yard was very sporadic - say once a week for his fully stabled horse. But can you walk past a horse that is neighing at you for food and water?

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I can't and do but in. I did once on a livery yard. Other owners were concerned about a horse as the owner was not comeing down every day. The stable was next to mine and it didn't take much to do her as well. Early one morning - used to go before getting kids ready for school - the owner came. We had a heart to heart and we both ended up crying. Her situation was horrendous at that time, not in a situation to contact anyone. Lucky i looked after the horse. I offered her help and she was extremely grateful. I could not tell anyone her personal circumstances, i wish i could have done as they were after her blood instead of trying to find out the situation.
I am happy to say things did get better and with support her life got sorted. Sometimes it is a terrible situation and sometimes pure cruelty. I do tend to but in first and find out after if a horse needs feeding and watering as they cannot go without.
 
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