How do they make Racing safe?

rhino said:
Why are you even bothering with this again? :confused:

People gave you some great opinions/evidence on your last thread:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=497434
Here in case you have 'forgotten' about it.

You were completely unwilling to understand anyone else's point of view yet you expect them to help you again.

Just what is your agenda?
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I did not ignore their view, I read every comment and nearly agreed with them all. You have to look at other perspectives.
The reason why I have asked another question is that nearly everyone is saying that Racing is not detrimental to the horse's welfare so I am asking them to PROVE IT. Back up their answers.
Why does everyone have to be so aggressive on here, all I was looking for was people's opinions on how they make it safe, don't have to be so snobby about it!!!!!
 
Unlike humans who willingly compete in dangerous sports, horses are not able to choose whether to participate in racing: they are forced to. The multi-billion dollar racing industry victimizes racehorses by endangering their welfare and literally gambling with their lives. Horseracing can therefore never be an acceptable form of "entertainment" to those who truly care about the welfare of animals. by nature.


http://www.idausa.org/facts/horseracing.html

MY POINT
 
You can't quote yourself as a source, which they have done... Also quoting journalistic articles which have no sources listed isn't a good idea either.

They make racing safe by having vets onsite, regular checks/ scans and the public ready to pounce of they get it wrong. Horses who show no aptitude are sent along- we have such a horse. Racing isn't flawless and there is stuff lacking, but unlike so many aspects of equestrianism it's closely monitored and does strive for constant improvement. Think of the whip ban...

Check out the BHA.
 
I just agree with what the quote said.
Also, the whip is not causing the horse to die, they need to reduce the size and amount of the jumps and also make the distance smaller if they want to make an improvement. The whip rule is nothing on the jumps and distance.
 
Interesting that the three fallers in the big race at Aintree today were all at the modified fences which in theory are meant to be easier and safer to jump now; I'm just wondering if that means they won't be as respected as the old fences were.
 
Floretta90 said:
I just agree with what the quote said.
Also, the whip is not causing the horse to die, they need to reduce the size and amount of the jumps and also make the distance smaller if they want to make an improvement. The whip rule is nothing on the jumps and distance.
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This just shows you really don't know much about racing at all- smaller jumps over a shorter distance will just mean the horses go faster, it won't make racing any safer.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on horses competing in other sports like eventing and polo where there are fatalities and the horses are also 'forced' to take part?
 
Floretta90 said:
I just agree with what the quote said.
Also, the whip is not causing the horse to die, they need to reduce the size and amount of the jumps and also make the distance smaller if they want to make an improvement. The whip rule is nothing on the jumps and distance.
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I suggested you contact the BHA way back, have you done that?.

Im afraid you are showing total ignorance in asking why they dont make the distances smaller because they already do. Instead of coming on here asking random and bizaare questions pose your questions to the experts the BHA.
 
millitiger said:
This just shows you really don't know much about racing at all- smaller jumps over a shorter distance will just mean the horses go faster, it won't make racing any safer.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on horses competing in other sports like eventing and polo where there are fatalities and the horses are also 'forced' to take part?
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I'm interested in this too- I'd argue eventing at the highest level was far more stressful for a horse than most racing?
 
rhino said:
Why are you even bothering with this again? :confused:

People gave you some great opinions/evidence on your last thread:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=497434
Here in case you have 'forgotten' about it.

You were completely unwilling to understand anyone else's point of view yet you expect them to help you again.

Just what is your agenda?
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WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SAYING THAT I WAS COMPLETLEY UNWILLING TO UNDERSTAND ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW I SAID MANY TIMES THAT I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
WHY ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE? IF YOU ARE UN WILLING TO HELP ME THEN GET THE HELL OF MY POST!
 
Floretta90 said:
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SAYING THAT I WAS COMPLETLEY UNWILLING TO UNDERSTAND ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW I SAID MANY TIMES THAT I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
WHY ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE? IF YOU ARE UN WILLING TO HELP ME THEN GET THE HELL OF MY POST!
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Why are you shouting? It's a public forum, I can say what I like within the t&c's thanks. :)

I wouldn't dream of speaking for other people and don't feel that I did, however it is fairly easy to see people's frustrations in your posts ;) :)
 
You already responded to rhinos post so why quote it again "screaming" at her?

Also I work in racing, you cant force a horse to go up the gallons. We've had a few who plant themselves at the bottom and no matter what you do to them they wont go. A couple have even refused to leave the yard. At races if they don't want to race then they refuse to jump.out of the stalls or go with the rest if jumping.
 
Now you know what? I have never "pushed the button", but I just might be tempted. How obnoxious, how conceited and how aggressive are you?

Vile behaviour demonstrated- with a temper like that I wouldn't want you near an animal of mine!
 
Floretta90 said:
I am asking them to PROVE IT. Back up their answers.
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Why should we have to prove it? You would be better going to the relevant authorities, as numerous people have said, if you want PROOF.

People are trying to help you as you have demonstrated significant ignorance of racing practice:

Floretta90 said:
But they get do not live a proper life, they are never turned out, fed all sorts, some of them are given drugs, owners probably do not have the right amount of patience with them, and if they are that unlucky to die on the track, the owner is already thinking about the next race horse he/she's gonna get whilst sorting out the horse that's just died! It's all about the money, and thousands of horses are dying because they do not have a choice!
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Floretta90 said:
Why does everyone have to be so aggressive on here, don't have to be so snobby about it!!!!!
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We're being aggressive?

Floretta90 said:
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SAYING THAT I WAS COMPLETLEY UNWILLING TO UNDERSTAND ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW .

IF YOU ARE UN WILLING TO HELP ME THEN GET THE HELL OF MY POST!
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:confused: :rolleyes:
 
Floretta90 said:
I just agree with what the quote said.
Also, the whip is not causing the horse to die, they need to reduce the size and amount of the jumps and also make the distance smaller if they want to make an improvement. The whip rule is nothing on the jumps and distance.
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May I firstly say... Wow, what a wonderful attitude you seem to have. :p

If the fences were made smaller and the distance shortened then this just mean the horses will be encouraged to go faster, which in turn would probably mean the likelihood of an accident would be increased.

If you look at the number of horses that die compared to the number of finishers, there is a big difference between the two. Injuries are going to happen.
If a horse were to fall over a big fence when racing, would your reaction be the same as if a horse fell over a big fence at Badminton/Kentucky/select your own big event here ?? Neither horse would have a 'choice' as such. It is what they are trained to do.

You said you take in an accept the point and perspectives of others, but IMHO, that doesn't seem to be the case from what I have read of your posts.

Try posting on a racing forum to get a better point of view from specific racing people? http://www.theracingforum.co.uk/

Other sites...
BHA - http://www.britishhorseracing.com/
HBLB - http://www.hblb.org.uk/

ETA- http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2009-128/pdfs/2009-128.pdf
Go to the end of page 21 of 28 and through to pages 22 and 23. Look at the sources and journals used to reference the report. They are all studies looking into the safety of horse racing. Does that help it to be 'proved' or factually justified?
 
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Oh dear, this again.
On the point of proving about fences, only two horses died between 1880 and 1900 in the grand national when the fences were HUGE! In fact if you look at this link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equine_fatalities_in_the_Grand_National
you will see that since they started making the fences smaller there have been more deaths.
To make jumping fences safer, softer fences (which the national fences are) and better ground are key factors in my mind. Jumping any fence risks the horse's life, I have watched 1.30m SJ on one of the best surfaces in England with a very good rider and a very good horse, and when the horse landed it did a tendon.
So making it nice and simple for you to understand... smaller fences over a shorter distance will make the horses go faster (and believe me, as I know,some horses are impossible to hold up!) and when faster the falls are often nastier.

Again, distances depend on the horse. Some horses are useless of short distances, but over 3 miles are fine. Some horses are built for speed, others stamina. Understand?
 
Hi All, I'm new to the forum and really didn't want to be involved but here we go! ......,,,

In answer to the question they don't make racing safe, they can't possibly same as no one can make LIFE safe - where would the fun in that be? Almost every professional sport has a level of risk as does getting in a car in the morning, as does drinking a glass of wine - get the drift?

Now I know you'll hit back with race horses don't have a choice ............ neither does the child whose parent asks them to get in a car - always a risk. No parent would want an accident to happen to their child and I am sure that no owner or trainer wants their horse to be injured. It is a calculated risk, oh and after owning several ex race horses I know as a fact, they will not do something they don't want to do!

I will not be posting links to other sites for your proof as it is my opinion which I am entitled to.
 
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