How do you break PTS news to a youngster

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Hi, sorry this will be a bit of a long one but bare with me.

My little sister is at boarding school. I live 30 mile from the family home with my partner. My sister has had the horse for 5 years and therefore obviously loves it dearly, when she won her place at a prestigious school 2 years ago to board it obviously meant that her horse had to find a new home. We managed, quite luckily to find a loan home for the horse.
18months ish later the loaner contacted us to say the horse had kicked her and she wanted to return her. She then changed her mind by the time her livery payments were due to run out and said she would keep her. By this point we had realised actually she did really be need to be sold as 1. We have lost our land 2. Could not afford livery, they have school fees for sister and have recently defaulted on mortgage 3. My mother is not horsey so she would have to find/pay someone to ride her 4. She is a high maintenance type of horse 5. Sister is going to uni after school so realistically was never going to be able to keep horse for herself again.
Two months came and went and the loaner once again changed her mind but assured us she would keep her in exercise till the end of notice period.
Two more months went by and after only one viewing and very high livery bills my mother was starting to worry. As I said she isn't horsey and had been worrying a lot about the horses welfare, if it was getting enough attention ect, the horse wasn't exercised for a month due to contract issues (according to the yard, but turned out they had been told untrue stuff about the horse and were too frightened to ride her)
Getting desperate mother phoned up a good friend who is a professional horse woman, she is very creditable and we trust her implicitly, she went to see her and ascertained that the horse had a back issue, similar to kissing spine but not quite, that was causing her pain and discomfort and had been for a while (backed up by vet opinion later)
This lady has always been fond of the horse and offered to take on all vet care on the chance she came right she would have a very nice horse.
Given the huge amounts of stress my mother has been under (including supporting the family and a huge mortgage while my father is unemployed, working long hours) she acted as to what was entirely best for the horse and signed her over. This of course caused massive agro with sister who was angry and upset mother had acted on her behalf.
The horse then went into residential vet care for 6 weeks intensive massage and physio, therapy ect, all through investigations, steroid injections, everything possible that could be done was. Unfortunately she is only getting worse and deteriorating fast and in a lot of pain moving so the lady and vet have told mum that they think its time for PTS, the lady is devastated too, we were warned there would be a chance of this prior to hand over. Mother and I fully support this decision, the horse is in vets hands 24/7 and deteriorating and in a lot of pain, sort of like she has aged faster than her years. She is only 13 which is heartbreaking as we have known and loved this horse for 5 years but we know that means making the ultimate act of kindness.
At the end of all this, my question is how on earth do we break this to my teenage sister? When she heard it was a possibility of PTS she was thinking of everything possible to do instead (companion ect) and kept saying but she was ridden for 2 years fine, only now, but that was then and this is now and the horse has according to vet had condition masked by calmer supplements keeping her a bit out of it.
She is going to be so totally devastated as understandably she is young, has never lost a horse or person and adores the horse! How on earth do we break it to her? I am also worried about my mother as sister is already blaming her and I know she will blame her for this too.....
No nasty comments please, just some advice please....
How have you coped/done it when having to make this decision for your child's horse/pony? As I don't think its a decision my sister could or would make as she is still young and understandably ruled by her own emotion, but obviously the best, albeit saddest, for the horse.
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I am not sure how old your sister is but I would be honest with her and make sure nothing is hidden from her. If you can bear it the news may be better coming from you than your mother. That way your sister gets to calm down before she speaks to your mother and you get to point out some home truths if she has a teenage response to the situation.
 
you just tell her, the horse no longer belongs to any of you and the sensible decision has been made. your sister will most likely blame your mum yes but thats what kids do, she will get over it and she will move on.
 
Just tell the truth, she is 13 so liable to tantrums I would think, but it sounds like this is the only way forward, regardless of who owns the horse.

Having watched my sisters pony die when I was 14 you just deal with it, as that's the only thing you can do. Life expectancy for any animal you keep is lower than ours so its inevitable IMO.
 
She sounds if she is at Boarding School that she is old enough to cope with this if it is explained that the horse is in pain and it is for the best. I can understand her being upset at not having any control over the matter but I think most people (kids included) can understand that sometimes things happen medically which we have no control over. Perhaps the vets could write a report of sorts giving their opinion that the horse needs to be PTS for welfare issues so that your sister knows that it is an official opinion and not just that your family doesn't want to pay/give time to her horse which is how she may see it. Could you go and see her and take her out for tea to break the news or perhaps a nice, compassionate letter with vet details?

I lost my first horse to intestinal damage whilst at boarding school (she was on working livery with me at school); she was whisked off to Bristol and operated on after deteriorating quickly so I didn't get the chance to say goodbye but they did keep her shoes and my family drove me there to pick them and her ashes up which was some closure. Good luck; it's never easy but push the kinder to PTS/horse in pain point and hopefully she will see it's the right thing.
 
It's horrible & i really do feel for you, but at the end of the day, you need to do what's right for the horse first & foremost.

I had a very similar situation when my daughter was about 9 yrs old. Her fabulous little jumping pony was very poorly, (she was very old & had suffered with cushings for years)daughter was at school but knew the vet was coming out to see her that morning & she knew that she was very likely that the pony would have to be PTS but had made me promise that i would leave her over the weekend (this was Friday) so she could spend time with her. It still makes me cry that i had to let my daughter down but the vet & i decided that it was unfair on the pony to make her suffer for 2 more days. My daughter was very, very upset but she understood that ultimately we had to put the ponies welfare first.

I'm sure that your sister will understand too. Maybe she would like to go & see her once more to say goodbye?
 
You either tell her the actual truth, or you all agree on a version of that truth to tell her - eg, mare passed peacefully in her sleep. Only you know which option will be best. It depends on the child. If you are worried the truth will be too hard, then sugar coat it and make sure everyone is telling the same version. Eventually, the truth will come out, indeed she will very probably know instinctively but it may be easier for her to process if she has the lie to cling to.
 
You either tell her the actual truth, or you all agree on a version of that truth to tell her - eg, mare passed peacefully in her sleep. Only you know which option will be best. It depends on the child. If you are worried the truth will be too hard, then sugar coat it and make sure everyone is telling the same version. Eventually, the truth will come out, indeed she will very probably know instinctively but it may be easier for her to process if she has the lie to cling to.

don't lie to her the deception from trusted loved ones is always so hard to come to terms with
 
What ever your Mum says your sister is going to be upset, but she should be intelligent enough to understand the sense of the decision and the fact if you still owned her the outcome would just be the same. If she truly cares for the horse she must understand the horses welfare comes first.
 
You must tell her the truth. its never easy and yes there will be tears and poss tantrums/blame but it would be worse if truth came out later. Death of animals sadly happens through our lives and its not easy regardless of agebut it is a part of having them in our lives. please though tell her face to face (which im sure you will) as she will prob need a sisters cuddle. hard situation for you as well x
 
What ever your Mum says your sister is going to be upset, but she should be intelligent enough to understand the sense of the decision and the fact if you still owned her the outcome would just be the same. If she truly cares for the horse she must understand the horses welfare comes first.
I think she will come round to see that in time, or then again she may forever (wrongly IMO) hold it against my mother as the way she sees it, the horse was, on the surface, fine the last time she saw it (she is only home holidays) and this has all happened since really. That's the trouble I guess she hasn't seen it for a while due to school, so in her head she is the happy healthy horse she has had since a child. I don't know if it's a good idea to bring her home from school ASAP to say goodbye or if she will cope better in the long run staying at school with distractions, with her age she cannot see why mother made the decision without asking her, but it will be 100% decision in horses interest with vet advice, and she has never even had to sell a horse before or lost a loved one so it's a horrible scenario because I know it will go down so badly, regardless of if she can see its in the horses interest it will hit her so bad, after all horses are like our best friends :(
 
I would talk to her honestly. If you treat her as a mature young lady, you give her a chance to live up to that. If she doesn't, you haven't lost anything as you are already expecting an immature reaction.

I was very young when my first pony was PTS, seven, I think. My riding instructor explained that he wasn't going to get better and that the vet was going to give him an injection and he'd just float off to sleep. I gave him carrots and we made daisy-chains for his mane. I never forgot it but I have always been grateful that my parents were always honest with me. I never felt as though I was excluded from any serious decisions.

When I lost them subsequently, at 12 and 15, I think I handled it well and was always involved in the process. I think it must be harder to feel like decisions are made for you.
 
Hi, To be perfectly honest I think kids handle this better than adults. My daughters had to be told it twice. The first time at about 6 and she cried for half an hour before enquiring why dinner was late.
Next was worse, she was 10 and I told her the total truth, that her beloved pony was really poorly and it was no longer fair to keep her. She said goodbye both before and after and within a day or so was back to her normal self. She did grieve this time and spent the odd emotional hour pouring over photo's but both times handled it better than I felt inside.
Kids are so much tougher than we give them credit for!
 
I think the best thing would be to take her out of school for a day (they will understand) & you, your sister & your Mother go over to the vet's & see the mare. The vet can then, carefully, explain to your sister why PTS is the kindest option.

She's not a baby & she feels let down by not having been consulted about her horses future. Let her be involved, you will be helping her grow up & probably reduce the blame she feels towards your Mum.

How does your Mum feel?

I would have been pretty peed off at that age if my parents had 'bypassed' me with regard to one of my ponies. I was 16 when my childhood pony broke a leg in the field. I called the vet myself as parents were at work. You can't protect them against everything forever.....
 
I think the best thing would be to take her out of school for a day (they will understand) & you, your sister & your Mother go over to the vet's & see the mare. The vet can then, carefully, explain to your sister why PTS is the kindest option.

She's not a baby & she feels let down by not having been consulted about her horses future. Let her be involved, you will be helping her grow up & probably reduce the blame she feels towards your Mum.

I would have to say that if I was 13 I would prefer this. OP's sister isn't tiny now, she's old enough to cope with this and may surprise the OP. If new owner is amenable, it would probably be helpful for mum's sake to hear it from the vet, and to be able to say goodbye if she wants to.
 
Mother made the decision for her because she wasn't sorting it out herself. She made no effort to find another home for the horse hence mother was backed into a corner of literally not being able to afford to hold on to her for much longer and not having a clue about horse care, and then when she found out the horse was in pain and needing medical she made a decision a quickly to get the horse the treatment it needed. The lady is a long time acquaintance who said she could still visit. That's fair to me, yes mother could have phoned her and asked but she would have only said no(as she told me she would) and expected her to keep paying its livery (out of magic non existent money) she couldn't offer any other alternatives, mother does feel guilty about not asking her but then she owns her technically, she paid for her and she knew she needed immediate vet treatment and the lady who is a long term acquaintance offered it the best care possible.
We aren't trying to 'cotton wool' her but I know there is a right way and a bad way to go about it, hence just trying to get people's inputs, it's a big deal that we don't want to make more difficult for her than is needed. Perhaps it does need to be worded like she can decide, but unfortunately really there is only one answer :( and last time it was brought up that it might be a possibility she flipped and couldn't/wouldn't accept it .
 
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See, from the update the girl sounds as if she won't be able to cope very well, and honestly I would just want to make it as easy as possible on everyone else, including your mum. So yes, I would go against the grain on here and concoct a sugar coated version where no one made any choice, the mare simply died peacefully.

Not all teenagers or children do cope with bad news appropriately. Yes, most do, but not all. And sometimes it is easier to avoid upsetting them and let them grow up a bit.

I would ask myself this: does she have to know at all that the decision to PTS was made? Yes, she must know after her former horse has passed, as she has been told she can visit during holidays etc. But I don't think she needs to be told the mare was PTS. I am sorry if this offends, but she sounds as if she may react badly, and honestly I don't think your mum or new owner need the extra pressure.

It is just my opinion. I hope you find a solution, ideally yes one where you can tell your sister the truth. But if this is impossible, do what you have to. Very sorry for the mare, horrible situation for you all.
 
You just tell her the truth, that the horse is in a lot of pain and the kindest thing is PTS.

Yes. I have always known that our dogs, cats and sheep have been PTS when I was little. There was none of this "gone to live on a farm" stuff. I don't see any point in lying or padding the truth out. (For perspective, I was the kid who still believed in father Christmas when I was 11, so my parents weren't exactly the life is harsh type!).

13 is fully old enough to know IMO. The only thing my parents ever his from me was that our tortoise who had run away had been found dead soon after by my dad. The rest is life, and I think knowing what happened with our dogs etc helped me be mature enough to make the decision with both my ponies.
 
HazyXmas, mum feels absolutely awful, she knows the decisions she has made have been with horses best interest and it goes without question she has never acted to intentionally upset sister, ever. She loves the horse as much as sister and was in tears on phone this morning at that and the thought of how much it will hit my sister.
I would have to say that if I was 13 I would prefer this. OP's sister isn't tiny now, she's old enough to cope with this and may surprise the OP. If new owner is amenable, it would probably be helpful for mum's sake to hear it from the vet, and to be able to say goodbye if she wants to.


Perhaps you are right, we may well not be giving her enough credit for maturity. The biggest worry is she is at a very heavy workload, performance related place at school, she is ecstatic she has finally got on top of school which has been a difficult, yet desired path to follow, mother is knowing she will have to tell her very soon as she can't hear it delayed, but feeling it is so unfair to lump it on her when she already has a lot of stress too.
I think I'm going to say to her to go see her with a letter from the vet, that way they can talk it through and if she decides she can't face mum until she calms down and thinks it through she will have the space to do so.
 
Arizhan, thank you for your kind words and considered response, yes I have considered the same thing you say but think she must accept, esp. If she wants horses in future that they come with the responsibilities of these type of decisions. She is, as you say not one who copes well with these things at all, she is a very passionate, intense person, ruled by her heart, who can not always see things rationally and really struggles to empathise with others (mother in this case) stress and see she is as upset.
It's a beautiful horse we have all grown up with and will miss x
 
Arizhan, thank you for your kind words and considered response, yes I have considered the same thing you say but think she must accept, esp. If she wants horses in future that they come with the responsibilities of these type of decisions. She is, as you say not one who copes well with these things at all, she is a very passionate, intense person, ruled by her heart, who can not always see things rationally and really struggles to empathise with others (mother in this case) stress and see she is as upset.
It's a beautiful horse we have all grown up with and will miss x

I really hope that the situation is resolved as well as possible for all involved. I have a family member who is similar, and I know how hard it is to be the bearer of bad news. All the best, OP.
 
You just tell her the truth, that the horse is in a lot of pain and the kindest thing is PTS.

This absolutely. Be totally honest and matter of fact. Quality of life is the most important thing for any animal. Death goes with keeping any animal, it's something you do have to get used to - which doesn't mean you feel it less just that you're better able to handle it. As a teenager she's old enough to face facts not be fobbed off; you'll probably feel the worse for having to tell her.
 
I think the best thing would be to take her out of school for a day (they will understand) & you, your sister & your Mother go over to the vet's & see the mare. The vet can then, carefully, explain to your sister why PTS is the kindest option.
This is exactly what I would do ^^. Allow your sister to say her goodbyes to the horse, have the vet explain to her what is going on and why this decision is the kindest for the horse.
 
This is exactly what I would do ^^. Allow your sister to say her goodbyes to the horse, have the vet explain to her what is going on and why this decision is the kindest for the horse.

Mother just told me she offered to take her to go see the horse a week ago and she declined :( I think it's the strategy of distancing herself to make it easier, I still think it would be good if mother went to see sister but she is worried it may just aggravate the matter, it's difficult if face to face, knowing my sister she might say some things she later regrets.
 
I think the best thing would be to take her out of school for a day (they will understand) & you, your sister & your Mother go over to the vet's & see the mare. The vet can then, carefully, explain to your sister why PTS is the kindest option.

She's not a baby & she feels let down by not having been consulted about her horses future. Let her be involved, you will be helping her grow up & probably reduce the blame she feels towards your Mum.

How does your Mum feel?

I would have been pretty peed off at that age if my parents had 'bypassed' me with regard to one of my ponies. I was 16 when my childhood pony broke a leg in the field. I called the vet myself as parents were at work. You can't protect them against everything forever.....

This is exactly what I would do ^^. Allow your sister to say her goodbyes to the horse, have the vet explain to her what is going on and why this decision is the kindest for the horse.

Have to agree with this.

There's a lot going on for your sister, she is already under pressure from the school.
Taking a decision without her being involved, without her seeing the horse could have serious consequences.

Take her to the horse and let the vets talk to her. Much better she is spoken to as an adult by the vets than either you or your mother.

And I know it sounds unrealistic but try and play down the money side of things, she just doesn't need that at the moment.
 
Mother just told me she offered to take her to go see the horse a week ago and she declined :( I think it's the strategy of distancing herself to make it easier, I still think it would be good if mother went to see sister but she is worried it may just aggravate the matter, it's difficult if face to face, knowing my sister she might say some things she later regrets.

She had her chance then. The mare is deteriorating and vet has advised PTS, your sister did not want to go and visit her last week, there is no reason to prolong this animal's suffering any further.

Apologies if I have misread, but it sounded in your first post as if her new owner had been told there was nothing left to do? It really is not fair on the mare or her new owner to delay if this is the case.
 
Dreamoffairhorses, maybe the best approach is not to spring this on her entirely. I fully believe you have to be honest with her but perhaps you can do it in two stages.

Firstly, I'd let her know the horse has deteriorated and that the vet has advised that PTS in possibly the only outcome. Also give her the veterinary details. Give her some time to come to terms with this. Also give yourself time to gauge her response. Then, when date has been set for PTS, either tell her that it's confirmed that horse is going to be PTS or, if she's taken it very badly, tell her that horse took a sudden turn for the worse, there was no choice and it was an emergency.

Horrible to lose a horse and I really, really feel for her.
 
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