How do you get a livery to leave your yard when they just wont go???

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englund

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I have had to give notice to a livery as I need the space for my own horses coming back from loan. The livery was only to be here temporary which they were told in the first place but he has now become aggressive and says he will not leave and there is nothing I can do about it.

He says there is no other livery yards taking DIY but that is a lie as I have rang 5 local ones and they all have places some with far better facilities than I have.

My yard was never ran as a livery yard and the space was given as a favour at the time but it was made clear that this was a private yard and not a livery yard for the public.

Its now very uncomfortable on the yard and we are now having arguments on a daily basis. He was given a months notice 3 weeks ago.

Any advice greatfully recieved as my act of kindness has turned into a nightmare.
 
If horses are dumped on your land, which his will be when the notice period is up, they become the landowner's property to sell once (another) written notice giving that intention has expired.
 
Well seeing as you have given him a months notice, surely after that month is up and he hasn't left you can call the police and have him removed as he is then technically trespassing on your land?
I'm no expert though, however if the above is correct then I would be inclined to let him know this and say "Is running the risk of getting a criminal record really worth staying here" or something along those lines.
I'm sure that there are a few more people who are experienced in this field out there who will help, sadly I am not too savvy when it comes to laws and private land!

Best of luck!
 
Solicitors Letter PDQ to tie in with 1 months notice, is this person paying? because accepting payment would extend his contract with you.
 
I'm not sure how legal this is, but I would change all the padlocks, if he has tack and stuff in your barn, put it outside your property and tell him you will get let him back on the land when he turns up with transport to remove the horse!
 
Unfortunately the old saying "the law is an @ss" is only too true when it comes to things like this. When OP you say the livery was "given notice" I am presuming that (irrespective of whether a formal written contract was in place) that this was in writing??

You could try upping the pressure a bit: give the livery another letter, saying that basically as he/she has seen fit to ignore your formal notice he/she is there illegally and is trespassing on your property, and you require him/her to remove their animals & all personal possessions within (a set period, say 48 hrs) or you will take legal advice. If you're worried, you could ask for a PCSO or a Police Special to be present when you hand him/her the notice, but hate to say it, but the police will probably do sweet FA to help with your problem unless he's actually causing a disturbance as they'll hide behind the fact that its a "civil matter".

And do so (i.e. take legal advice). Make sure you pick a solicitor with a bit of spunk in them tho' coz you don't want some faffing old git who is good at wills & probate but sweet FA at anything else.

We had a problem when we moved in here of a bloke in a caravan who my uncle had let in here when he was here, and we had a helluva job to shift him; he was a crafty devil who knew how to argue persuasively. In the end we offered him a cash "incentive" to get out; which worked!!! (but we shouldn't have had to).

I would recommend you seek legal advice PDQ; perhaps a solicitors letter will do the trick and frighten your problem livery off. THEN when they've gone you'll need to get a locksmith in and change all the locks.

You have my sympathy; it must all be very unpleasant for you and you don't need it! Grrrhggh, blimmin' people.
 
I will not be accepting any more money from him as I do not want to imply he is able to stay longer. I am worried about my possessions as I am not about 24/7, I dont think he will steal them or anything but he may conveniently forget to lock the tack room or main entry gate on purpose. He seemed very nice at the beginning but has turned so bitchy now, yet ive gone out of my way to make this change easier for him, maybe I should have been a bit harder than I have been.
 
Well, I would triple his rent for starters! Agree re all the other aspects of seeking legal advice, but also give him notice today that when his next rent is due, then it will be increasing to some astronomical amount. If he refuses to pay you have far more rights I suspect ;)
 
Don't forget to change all the locks yourself, in fact, do it today and make things very difficult for him to access etc.
And as for the nasty arguments part I would be looking at registering with the police that he is being very aggressive and threatening towards you and start a case for harassment. Expres to them the fact that he is making you feel in fear of him. If you can get the police to pay him a visit and warn him about his behaviour then you can also get a harassment case to exclude him from being on the yard etc...
 
wait til he goes for a hack and put new padlocks on gates so he can't get back in and have a couple of large male friends for back up. Plank all his stuff out side the gates and let him get on with it. If you can't lock the gates, lock his stable up so he can't put horse in. I would make things as difficult as possible. What a cheek.
 
englund said:
I will not be accepting any more money from him as I do not want to imply he is able to stay longer. I am worried about my possessions as I am not about 24/7, I dont think he will steal them or anything but he may conveniently forget to lock the tack room or main entry gate on purpose. He seemed very nice at the beginning but has turned so bitchy now, yet ive gone out of my way to make this change easier for him, maybe I should have been a bit harder than I have been.
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Can you move and lock your posessions up elsewhere?

I would be tempted to remind him that he has 1 week until his notice period is up, and then XYZ will happen. Depending on if BHS said it was okay, on the morning of the day after his notice is up I would be tempted to shut off a key water valve and/or fuses so he has no access to water (electric, lighting etc) on the yard, and if horse is in then put new padlocks on access to fields so he can't turn out, or locks on stables so he can't bring in, and make it clear that A B and C all have livery spaces available, here is their numbers can I dial that phone for you now?

Ditto having some men around.

Stay safe.
 
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littlelegs said:
Change the locks & find someone equally aggressive to tell him to leave asap.
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Im afraid I agree with you. the softly,softly approach doesnt always work. It sounds to me that there isnt a male presence at yard? If so he is a bully. Men don't behave like that when other men around.

I know this isnt the same thing, but i had lodgers that wouldnt leave, and because they were male, and i was only female they took serious liberties. Last resort I called on my male friends who escorted them and their stuff from my property.

Elizabeth

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LittleBlackMule said:
If horses are dumped on your land, which his will be when the notice period is up, they become the landowner's property to sell once (another) written notice giving that intention has expired.
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This is not true I'm afraid. I own a horse that was previously left on a livery yard and it is a huge lengthy process for ownership to be transferred to yard owner. You're right in saying that a written notice must be given to owner to remove horse, sent by recorded delivery to their home and placed visibly at main entrance to yard where horse is being kept, stating a notice period of a minimum of 14 days for horse to be removed. The yard owner must then start court proceedings to have ownership transferred into their name before horse can be sold on to cover money owed. This is a very lengthy process and an expensive one too, with no guarantee of winning, especially since there is very little proof of ownership with horses.
 
When are your horses coming back? When they do - replace his horse with yours, ring him (assuming YO keep liveries contact details) to tell him his horse is in the car park & needs removing. I'm sure if he loves his horse, he'll be there like a flash.
 
Thank you for all the advice I think I need to harden up a bit. It is a difficult situation as I genuinally think he likes it here but unfortunately I need the space. I suppose I should take it as a bit of a compliment as I know so many people who cant wait to get out of the yards they are in but he does have to go so I will definately ring BHS tomorrow and get their advice.
 
englund said:
Thank you for all the advice I think I need to harden up a bit. It is a difficult situation as I genuinally think he likes it here but unfortunately I need the space. I suppose I should take it as a bit of a compliment as I know so many people who cant wait to get out of the yards they are in but he does have to go so I will definately ring BHS tomorrow and get their advice.
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Maybe make it a little less comfortable for him so he wants to leave? I dunno, up the rent etc, I'm sure the HHO mafia have enough experience of nightmare liveries that we could send over to you to scare him off- 'Rent a Horror' :D
 
I would ring the BHS helpline pronto.

I had someone at my place as a livery and they were awkward about leaving and I found it wasn't that simple to put them out; also that I was responsible for the welfare of that horse while it was on my premises. Partly I had wanted them to leave because they were leaving me to take care of the horse and being neglectful.

Luckiliy they did leave (with my hay) but it was very stressful and unpleasant.

Hope you get it sorted soon.
 
Put your prices up to silly amounts...£500 a week for livery? Once he's missed a payment then you can start taking items of his up to that value to pay his bill.

He's only go 1 week left of his 4 week notice so say that the new pricing rules will come in to effect the date he's due to leave.

Or at £500 a week you could afford to keep your other horse coming off loan an a really nice yard for a while!??!
 
increase your prices to £1,000 per month for DIY. If he's got a problem nothings stopping him from leaving, you find your yard is worth that much then he can't stop you!
 
Just wondering how its going OP?

As some here have suggested, you could up your prices. BUT bear in mind if you do accept money from any sort of nuisance "tenant" you're seeking to get rid of, it complicates the issue if you accept money from them (daft but unfortunately true).

From what you say this is an undesirable livery and you want rid PDQ don't you.

Hoping there's some progress in this??
 
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