how do you teach "Roll over"??

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As the title really........... its time for beau to try to learn a new trick.

We have sit and down and paw sorted and stay..........

though a new trick will keep our brain going!
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sort off!
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Put him in a down. Then physically (gently!) push him right the way over while giving the command, then praise, or, again from the down, tempt him right the way round with food or a toy, give the command first, when he flips, give him the reward.

It is quite easy to train
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What age is he again? (Sorry
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he is 18months old. No worries I always have to count from July 1st to remember!
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Ok, right, hmmmm just got to find a treat worth flipping for!
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being my first dog Im sort of lucky Iv managed to teach sit down stay etc well enough to work (most of the time!
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When he downs, does he go down square or does he 'flop' over to one side? If the latter, it will be easier to train and encourage him to roll over.
The former is more 'correct' though
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ye, sometimes he is straight (when he is being keen and paying attention) if he just does it coz i say to he often flops!
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beau doesn't like to be super keen all the time, its way too much effort!
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Right, well when he flops we will have a go!
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what do you use to flip him? Like I am assuming not grabbing legs and flip?!
 
Once you've got that sorted try 'shooting' him.

My favourite trick! Our Lakie does it quite well - we point 2 fingers at him like a gun and say 'Bang'. He lies down, rolls over and lays on his back with all 4 paws in the air.

My friend's collie goes one further......if you say 'bang' he turns a quick circle 3 times then rolls onto his back with his paws in the air. But then that's collies for you.......
 
lol that sounds like a clever collie........... beau is a "special" collie!
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But that sounds a mint trick! if I can sort roll, that is the next one on the list!!! (sure my OH will love doing that! especially on the farm! lol)
 
o beau has conversations!
If you yap to him, or make like short yowl noises, he copies them back to you!
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its really funny!

also he yawns like a human too, so does that high pitched drawled out squeaky noise as he yawns. I make it too yet he looks at me like im totally bonkers when i do it!
 
Another way to do it is by shaping the behaviour. Shaping basically involves breaking a complex behaviour like rolling into its component parts and then teaching those one at a time.

Think about what the dog's body does to get into a roll over and then work on these movements one at a time:

- from a down use a treat to encourage your dog to move its head as if it is trying to look behind it - reward
- repeat and wait until you see the shoulder start to collapse - reward
- repeat and then wait until you see the hips collapse sideways (so effectively you are waiting for more twist each time)
- repeat. From here you might start getting one or two (one front one hind) legs start coming off the ground - reward
- repeat. You will now start getting half rolls with 2-3 feet off the ground, or maybe even almost half way.
- repeat until the dog finally goes all the way around.

Once the dog has mastered the going all the way round start naming the behaviour.

Do all this without touching (this can be quite helpful for dogs that are more sensitive, as find being physically put in a roll over quite intimidating), but use the treat all the time to encourage the dog's body to move in the right direction (the position of the treat is crucial, play around with it until you find where you should place the treat in order to get the dog's body to do all this sideways movements).
 
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Booboos that is what I meant by 'tempting' him into it, only you actually explained it instead of expecting Lucy to be a mind reader
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Sorry, I was skim-reading, I should have paid more attention!!!!

I have seen people touch the dog to demonstrate what it ought to do, I was always taught to keep hands off - whatever works best with each dog!!
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J is so hyper sensitive I think he would find touch too stimulating, B will just sit there and look at you until you give her a very firm clue what you would like so I am sure she would not mind being touched at all!!
 
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Another way to do it is by shaping the behaviour. Shaping basically involves breaking a complex behaviour like rolling into its component parts and then teaching those one at a time.

Think about what the dog's body does to get into a roll over and then work on these movements one at a time:

- from a down use a treat to encourage your dog to move its head as if it is trying to look behind it - reward
- repeat and wait until you see the shoulder start to collapse - reward
- repeat and then wait until you see the hips collapse sideways (so effectively you are waiting for more twist each time)
- repeat. From here you might start getting one or two (one front one hind) legs start coming off the ground - reward
- repeat. You will now start getting half rolls with 2-3 feet off the ground, or maybe even almost half way.
- repeat until the dog finally goes all the way around.

Once the dog has mastered the going all the way round start naming the behaviour.

Do all this without touching (this can be quite helpful for dogs that are more sensitive, as find being physically put in a roll over quite intimidating), but use the treat all the time to encourage the dog's body to move in the right direction (the position of the treat is crucial, play around with it until you find where you should place the treat in order to get the dog's body to do all this sideways movements).

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This is how I taught Tink to do it. We used to have a whole "stick em up" routine where she would sit, then put her paws up on command ( beg
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