How far can money get you in riding? Pondering

I think its such a grey area really.

What I would say is that yes money can get you to the top, but its not as simple as anyone throwing money at a problem - look at KP for example.

To explain what I mean, I'll use the example of a person I know who is on the Young Rider teams, and who IMO is far from a unique example. From day one his parents have thrown huge amounts of money towards his riding. He's never had anything but the best tuition and the best horses, push button schoolmasters. He's not really interested, doesn't have anything to do with the care of the horses and doesn't even ride apart from in lessons and competitions.

Having grown up with all of that from day one, how can you fail to be successful? If you've always had incredibly talented, honest, push button horses, and excellent tuition every day for your whole life, then its inevitable that you're going to have a certain level of skill. People who watch him compete probably envy him his talent or bravery, and yes, he is a good rider but its a product of money rather than anything else.

By contrast, you could be a very natural, talented rider, but if you've never really had any money, never been able to afford a good horse, or great tuition, or a lorry to go to competitions - you're pretty much screwed. I mean if you know you're good, then you can go the hard route as a working pupil for a bigger name, and school on your own horses trying to make a name for yourself, but its such an uphill battle. Plus I think that a lot of the time someone like that doesn't know how good they could be - people tend to measure talent and competence by a competition record, and without that, without a good horse or trainer they probably don't have the confidence in their own ability - if you haven't jumped round a Foxhunter track how do you know you could? How do you know you're anything better than average?

Anyway, that's my musing on the subject. I think natural talent is pretty much irrelevant without at least a decent whack of money behind you - enough to at least have a good horse to go out competing on so you can prove that talent. Its not impossible to get to the top without a lot of money, but realistically I think having the money to have access to quality tuition and horses is far more influential.
 
I may be miles behind here, but who is Tim Gredley?

IMO, as others have touched upon, the biggest benefit of limitless money would be the instruction and time it buys you. If you think of actors preparing for a film role that requires a particular skill, they throw money and time at it so they can play the role, e.g. become an expert musician / wrestler / stuntperson.

I'm sure it's similar with riding, particularly a discipline such as dressage. Obviously being able to buy good horseflesh once you have the skill is a benefit as well! But if I had the cash, the training is where I'd want to spend it (it's certainly what I need the most
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SeeNoEvil I see what you are saying but when I say 'money' I mean real money, i.e. not simply enough to buy the odd ready made horse, however expensive, but enough to have a string of 8-10 top horses, live-in trainer with a generous salary, grooms, and optimal facilities. Like the example I quoted above (and there are plenty of young women with very similar set-ups and family situations).

In those cases, I think the role played by luck is almost insignificant; apart from money, I really believe it's purely a question of enough motivation on the part of the rider not to give up.
 
Tim Gredley`s family own unex towerlands, he represented GB at W.E.G and progressed to that level very quickly largely due to finincial backing.However, he woould not have been selected for the team if he wasnt up to it
I agree that to compete at the top you need alot of financial support to buy the horses and then travel to the shows.
 
i think most the big names are born into it,with family,and have alot of money,i come from a family of which noone else is the least bit interested in horses so i kinda guess i'm never gunna get anywere,as i pay for most myself,so im bankrupt at 14 haha! But on the other hand,as people say if you work hard enough for anything you'll get it,so i suppose its luck really! * reads my paragraph and realises it makes no sense and goes to run a bath*
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To answer the first question, you would have to look at the likes of Zara Phillips and Ellen Whitaker. Does Ellen ever bring on/compete youngsters or difficult horses or is she always provided with ready made, tallented horses that someone else has done the donkey work on?

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Someone maybe doing the donkey work these days - lets be honest why would she? - but when she was in Juniors she rode a lot of "cast offs" from others that couldn't get them going and was successful on them. She's talented but also helped by her dad being one of the top trainers - he always used to bring on youngsters for John and Michael.
 
Money can get you to the top , but cant keep you there, John Michael , Nick Skelton, Geoff Billington, Geoff Luckett, Peter Charles, Tim Stockdale Guy Williams , Phillip spivey.

All these riders have made it without the help of being of being wealthy. In a way they were all IMO helped by not being top young riders.

There are many eventers who make a living without financial family benifits.
 
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