How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

[PurpleSpots]

Poor Mabel .

Now started headshaking too.

I'm not sure there are many other ways left for her to express her difficulties/discomfort/distress about ridden work. It really is quite a long list now.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Crikey, someone's encouraged me to re-read the post, and it's there in black and white - she needed a bute trial to see that the horse was footsore in front.

I mean sometimes hind foot soreness is harder to spot for people, but this is a vet, and missing it in front?

How can any of her clients ever be confident that her assessment of comfort/soundness of their horses is accurate and reliable?



ETA: But in the recent hacking post (2 weeks ago) there was mention of foot discomfort without shoes as I commented on it on this thread. So she DID already acknowledge it, just didn't do anything about it until after the bute trial and carried on riding her in the meantime - even though she was headshaking too now???

 

[frankieduck]

There has been a catalogue of symptoms something is very wrong with her, I almost wonder if SV is sticking her head in the sand a bit as she doesn’t want there to be anything wrong. I guess for most of us we’d have the impartiality of a vet with no emotional prejudice to tell us what was going on, but as she’s self treating/diagnosing the mare she’s lacking that and her judgement is no doubt clouded.

Explosive behaviour when ridden, a mystery lameness that was due to toe clips on shoes (?!) which was apparently so subtle It couldn’t be seen and only SV could feel it, yet when she Bute trialled her recently she discovered she’d been lame without shoes and she hadn’t realised?! A resistance to work into the contact in any bit. Now violent head shaking.

Something is going on.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Yes, there is a part of me that has empathy for her because breeding your own then having something be wrong is even harder to take than with a horse you've bought in some ways.

I do also think she's dug a bit of a hole for herself by publicly ridiculing anyone who has voiced concerns over the mare's comfort.

The sad thing is that it may initially have been one issue that could have been managed or relieved, but the more time goes on the more the body has to compensate and you get a far more complicated issue which is so much harder to unravel and try to alleviate.

 

[Ceifer]

I feel sorry for the horse.
The social media page will be the same comments about how lucky Mabel is to have such a dedicated owner.
Some people will put their experiences which may be acknowledged but dismissed and of course her sycophants will be out in force to tell her to brace herself for the ‘armchair experts’. Lots of ‘Be Kind’ will be wielded.

 

[fairyclare]

I must have been blocked because I cannot find SV on Facebook, I can see her personal profile but not the veterinary one.
I wonder what I did, I never commented or liked anything!

 

[MuddyMonster]

I must have been blocked because I cannot find SV on Facebook, I can see her personal profile but not the veterinary one.
I wonder what I did, I never commented or liked anything!

I'm the same! I can't see it at all & there's no obvious connection to my FB and HHO account where I've semi followed this. I've definitely never commented and I'm fairly certain I've not liked anything. Oh well

 

[paddy555]

I haven't liked or commented. I called SC vet up on FB, opening screen with posts is completely blank, there is her award thing at the top but that is it. I can open the photos, about etc pages. No idea what I did.. Is anyone still on there? any mortals considered good enough for her?
I cannot think in anyway she has linked me on here with FB. I think, for various reasons, that would be impossible.

I seem to have joined the "not wanted club" is the membership going to be rapidly expanding?

seriously is this any way for a vet to behave ie get rid of or disregard anyone who could possibly disagree with them. Thank goodness I have better vets than that.

 

[ycbm]

Try again later. I think she closes access while she is sanitising the comments.

I had this yesterday and then when I went back later it was back.
.

 

[PurpleSpots]

If you log out of FB completely you can search for her page via google and should be able to see all posts and comments - even if you're blocked.

The more people who make noise about her conduct, treatment of her horses, treatment of people, and the 'advice' she gives the better in my opinion.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

She is rapidly morphing into a Trump version of herself isn't she? Or Maria Antoinette even. Or perhaps the Emperor's new clothes..... what a very unprofessional professional she is.

 

[frankieduck]

Yes, there is a part of me that has empathy for her because breeding your own then having something be wrong is even harder to take than with a horse you've bought in some ways.

I do also think she's dug a bit of a hole for herself by publicly ridiculing anyone who has voiced concerns over the mare's comfort.

The sad thing is that it may initially have been one issue that could have been managed or relieved, but the more time goes on the more the body has to compensate and you get a far more complicated issue which is so much harder to unravel and try to alleviate.

I agree, she’s been so adamant with the rhetoric of “there’s nothing wrong with her, not all naughty horses are in pain” that she’s backed herself into a corner and now has to find bizarre excuses for all of her issues.

Was it Mabel who also stopped a lot and also wouldn’t jump doubles? I lose track.

 

[Jellymoon]

Ugh, now I will HAVE to go and look at her page again as I have nothing better to do and am fascinated, having vowed to not engage in all of this any longer. Thanks guys.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Isn't it odd how the drug 'Arthramid' is often featured on the page in question. I've wondered why a few times, and had something nagging at the back of my mind so did a quick search.

In 2021 on a post about it, the following was added at the end:
'(NB: Conflict of interest; I am a shareholder in the U.K. wholesaler that supplies Arthramid).'

I wonder if the person in question is still a shareholder. The drug is still being featured on the page, but the conflict of interest declaration is not being added any more.

 

[meleeka]

I just googled and this popped up

Arthramid Vet – Adverse events

Increased discussion of suspected adverse events in social media following use of Arthramid Vet in horses.

www.gov.uk

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Isn't it odd how the drug 'Arthramid' is often featured on the page in question. I've wondered why a few times, and had something nagging at the back of my mind so did a quick search.

In 2021 on a post about it, the following was added at the end:
'(NB: Conflict of interest; I am a shareholder in the U.K. wholesaler that supplies Arthramid).'

I wonder if the person in question is still a shareholder. The drug is still being featured on the page, but the conflict of interest declaration is not being added any more.

Afaik she's still a shareholder for nupsala

 

[frankieduck]

I’m surprised a practising vet is allowed to be a shareholder or have an affiliation to a particular drug full stop. Clearly they are, but it seems bizarre to me as surely they should be completely impartial to treatment options?

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Vet med s hugely commercialised now. Think about how many have certain foods they recommend and how many private practices are being bought out by huge conglomerates

 

[PurpleSpots]

Recommending or selling products you endorse is one thing, but recommending or selling products without declaring a conflict of interest (in this case financial) is quite another.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

The most recent list of shareholders I could find was 2016 though so it might not be up to date

 

[PurpleSpots]

In 2021 on a post about it, the following was added at the end:
'(NB: Conflict of interest; I am a shareholder in the U.K. wholesaler that supplies Arthramid).'

The post this evening was just a photo of 5 boxes of it, with a short description starting,
'Stocking up for the week ahead…..

'

It struck me as an odd thing to post about, and something jogged my memory about there being a vested interest so I had a quick google. She doesn't do this for other random items she uses (such as other drugs, or vetwrap, for example), and I'd be surprised if she's not still a shareholder, especially as Arthramid is mentioned on the page a fair amount (subtle advertising). I can't think of any other brand names which are mentioned on the page, other than the paid/gifted sponsored items.

It's not right anyway, but reading the link Meleeka shared makes it worse still.

Recent comments on another post about the Arc Equine again state that there's no potential for side effects, encouraging others to use her discount code.

This is not a vet adhering to the Code of Conduct, behaving impartially, disclosing all relevant and honest information.

 

[meleeka]

She is indeed a shareholder

ETA - So as not to go against the rules, I've blocked the name.

 

[PurpleSpots]

A basic FB search for 'south coast equine vets arthramid' has revealed 10 posts involving Arthramid. Several solely about it. I'm sure there have been more mentions of it too.

On only one was any disclaimer - the one I quoted above - used.

 

[meleeka]

I can't see, in the RCVS Code of Conduct, where this is not allowed. Can anyone else find it?

 

[little_critter]

I can't see, in the RCVS Code of Conduct, where this is not allowed. Can anyone else find it?

It may not be specifically outlawed, but it must make complying with point 3 incredibly difficult

 

[frankieduck]

I just googled and this popped up

Arthramid Vet – Adverse events

Increased discussion of suspected adverse events in social media following use of Arthramid Vet in horses.

www.gov.uk

I had a horse treated back end of last year and my vet made a point to make me aware that there had been these reports recently and they were seeing some flares after using arthramid, to make sure I was fully informed ahead of treatment. I wonder if SV advises her clients the same? There’s no mention of it in any of her posts or comments.

 

[PurpleSpots]

A post today, again trying to drag backwards our understanding of how horses express themselves, which in turn affects peoples' ability to promote and uphold good welfare
.

Perhaps the horse would have taken and eaten a sweet, but it doesn't change the fact that there is tension and strain in his face which is clear to see.

The horse was 'trying to look at [her]' - that means his ability to see what he felt he needed to was limited, thus creating stress on a very basic level! That would make sense given that he is stated to have been in the wash box, where her horses are generally cross-tied (from all the photos shared on the page). Let alone what else may have been causing him stress/tension at the time.

The post was an 'example' of how you can't tell from a horse's eye alone (though this photo showed from the tips of the horse's ears to just above the facial crest/cheekbone) if a horse is in pain or distressed. And then went on to disparage those who comment on the distressed/in pain facial expressions of horses seen in competition.

 

[Marshpiper]

A post today, again trying to drag backwards our understanding of how horses express themselves, which in turn affects peoples' ability to promote and uphold good welfare
.

Perhaps the horse would have taken and eaten a sweet, but it doesn't change the fact that there is tension and strain in his face which is clear to see.

The horse was 'trying to look at [her]' - that means his ability to see what he felt he needed to was limited, thus creating stress on a very basic level! That would make sense given that he is stated to have been in the wash box, where her horses are generally cross-tied (from all the photos shared on the page). Let alone what else may have been causing him stress/tension at the time.

The post was an 'example' of how you can't tell from a horse's eye alone (though this photo showed from the tips of the horse's ears to just above the facial crest/cheekbone) if a horse is in pain or distressed. And then went on to disparage those who comment on the distressed/in pain facial expressions of horses seen

 

[Fjord]

That doesn't look like the face of a horse begging for a sweet.

 

[Pinkponyclub]

And now promoting individual turnout her horse management honestly must be crap, yes it happens but honestly in my 30 odd years of horse ownership (many many horses and different horses in and out as we have sold a few over the years too) I’ve touch wood never had a single incident.