How Long When Turmeric Kicks in Do Horses Settle?

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Have made up the cooked version of golden paste Turmeric and mine has been on it for a week or so. He is much livelier, spookier but so much sounder!!

So I have no intention of taking him off the proper Golden Paste which is made up by me but I understand from previous threads that horses do settle down after they realise that their new mobility is not going to be short lived!!
 
do horses eat turmeric naturally? do they find it whist grazing the wide plains of asia?why on earth should anyone want to feed it to a horse? just another fashion and marketing fad for the gullable.
 
Whilst I personally would prefer to use something researched and licensed for horses which is known to work, there is a lot of research being done in humans to the possible effects of curcumin and a lot of positive results coming out of decent trials.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664031/
 
I have all of mine on turmeric black pepper and linseed. My veteran cob mare became very very lively in the first weeks of feeding it but did settle. It made a huge difference to her mobility. We did the Newmarket 20 mile ride when she was 22 years old. It's brilliant stuff and my hubby and I also take it. Even my vets acknowledge the benefits of feeding it.
 
Willing to give anything a go for my oldie, what should I be buying/mixing? Know there are lots of posts but would appreciate some pointers
 
YasandCrystal said:
I have all of mine on turmeric black pepper and linseed. My veteran cob mare became very very lively in the first weeks of feeding it but did settle. It made a huge difference to her mobility. We did the Newmarket 20 mile ride when she was 22 years old. It's brilliant stuff and my hubby and I also take it. Even my vets acknowledge the benefits of feeding it.
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Thanks, that is comforting to know!!
 
Downton Dame said:
do horses eat turmeric naturally? do they find it whist grazing the wide plains of asia?why on earth should anyone want to feed it to a horse? just another fashion and marketing fad for the gullable.
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Well, you could say that about the vast majority of stuff we feed our horses...
I mean, my older girl is on Danilon, don't think they'd find that in the wide plains of asia either?
 
I've read loads of research, and I know there is evidence that curcumin can have a positive effect on inflammation. My issue is that it would be pretty much impossible to get enough turmeric down a horse to get the required therapeutic dose of curcumin - about 500g per day of turmeric to get 20g of turmeric.
 
Its worth noting, if you make up your own, that horses don't need the addition of black pepper.

Cucumin is oil soluble, so does need the oil (or can be mixed with linseed) but its bio availability is much higher for horses than humans as their digestive system is more set up for such things. The black pepper aids absorption in humans, but is unnecessary for horses (it can occasionally cause irritation).
 
Downton Dame said:
do horses eat turmeric naturally? do they find it whist grazing the wide plains of asia?why on earth should anyone want to feed it to a horse? just another fashion and marketing fad for the gullable.
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So we assume then that you do not feed your horse ANYTHING other than grass? Because in nature they wouldn't find cereals, root veg like carrots, hay/haylage etc. on the "plains of Asia". Such an ignorant attitude as seems rife in the horse world where much opinion seems to be that if it hasnt been being done for the past 100 years then it must be wrong.

Ive found turmeric very useful, I did feed it for a while (usually through the summer) and mine tended to settle after a couple of weeks although he's retired but can be sore so he just skipped round the field a bit more than usual for a bit feeling a bit brighter. I tend to use it more externally - after trying other stuff to no avail, I ended up using it 3 summers ago mixed in with sudocreme on an old sarcoid which the flies had irritated and amazingly it healed over and shrunk so you cant even feel it now. Brilliant stuff. I also drink golden paste in hot milk at night to give me brilliant nights sleep, it literally knocks me out within 30 mins - am desperate for it at the moment as Im pregnant and not meant to have it so cant sleep!
 
Auslander said:
I've read loads of research, and I know there is evidence that curcumin can have a positive effect on inflammation. My issue is that it would be pretty much impossible to get enough turmeric down a horse to get the required therapeutic dose of curcumin - about 500g per day of turmeric to get 20g of [curcumin]
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I can't find any research in horses. It wouldn't be the first drug that is much more potent in some species/breeds than in others. Ivermectin and collies, for example.
 
Downton Dame said:
do horses eat turmeric naturally? do they find it whist grazing the wide plains of asia?why on earth should anyone want to feed it to a horse? just another fashion and marketing fad for the gullable.
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Gullible*

Anyway, I have a 26 year old WB; low ringbone, coffin joint arthritis.. unable to comfortably trot without buting him. I introduced turmeric and he was eventually totally off the bute and sound on turmeric only. Not a fad, it helps.
 
I would personally go to the effort of making it yourself as Ive always understood making it into golden paste makes it easier to digest. Its very easy and cheap to make, just mix up a pan on the hob with a certain number of cups of turmeric powder (you can get decent stuff in bulk online, I think I got mine off Ebay) and add coconut oil and black pepper. Then just pour into big jars or an old supplement tub. I normally keep mine in the fridge if its summer but otherwise its generally cold enough in my tackroom to keep it there.
 
To be fair it does grow in (SE) Asia so not beyond the bounds of possibility actually - they are certainly more likely to eat turmeric than lush green English grass anyway! (Think of Mongolian herders, wild Przewalski's and so forth...)
 
Counterpoint said:
Its worth noting, if you make up your own, that horses don't need the addition of black pepper.
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I understood from a turmeric group on FB that the bioperine in black pepper is pretty much essential to good absorption, along with oil - what is the source for not needing it now?

And that curcumin is contra indicated in animals with a history of gastric ulcers - seen lots of arguments for and against, again, anyone know for sure?
 
JillA, there is no way of knowing for sure about ulcers because there's no proper research published, which is half the problem. You'll literally only get people's opinions, but most my understanding is that most vets think it's a bad idea for ulcers.

Re pepper - this is what someone posted on a past thread:

Below may be of interest. Email from Dr David Marlin www.davidmarlin.co.uk
when we asked questions re Turmeric:
Published studies have shown that the bioavailability (essentially the amount of a substance taken up into the body from the gastro-intestinal tract) of curcumin from turmeric is very low in human subjects and is significantly enhanced by the addition of piperine, an alkaloid found in black pepper. In contrast, studies in animals have shown a significantly greater capacity for uptake of curcumin than in people and the enhancement in uptake in animals by piperine is only around 1/10th of that in human subjects. Other animal studies have indicated over 60% of curcumin administered is taken up. These studies were also undertaken without the use of oils or emulsions. Thus, on the basis of this research we do not consider that it is necessary to add black pepper or piperine or oils to enhance uptake of curcumin in horses. With respect to the curcumin content, In studies, pure turmeric has been shown to have an average curcumin content of 3.14% (Tayyem et al., Nutr. Cancer. 2006).
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...-pepper-to-Turmeric/page2#Xvs8Rf8YBGek8ovz.99

Interesting abstract here too (not just about the black pepper thing though) http://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-0806(17)30242-3/abstract
 
MagicMelon said:
I would personally go to the effort of making it yourself as Ive always understood making it into golden paste makes it easier to digest. Its very easy and cheap to make, just mix up a pan on the hob with a certain number of cups of turmeric powder (you can get decent stuff in bulk online, I think I got mine off Ebay) and add coconut oil and black pepper. Then just pour into big jars or an old supplement tub. I normally keep mine in the fridge if its summer but otherwise its generally cold enough in my tackroom to keep it there.
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Thats what I have done and it seems the availability is higher doing it this way - hadn't thought of not keeping it in the fridge but at the yard - but you are right, it is cold enough now to do that - saves me having to remember to take it to the yard every morning!!
 
I might try with my next batch leaving the black pepper out and seeing if I continue seeing the improvement in his movement that I have done.

It does amuse me that people are happy enough to feed horses bute and loads of bagged cereals full of molasses and a few grains of minerals thrown in, keep them in a lot of the time, restrict forage so they are left for hours with nothing to eat, or keep them on lush green grass or lots of clover, clip them and rug them and ride them and then talk about the fact that horses on the wild plains of wherever wouldn't eat Turmeric - possibly they wouldn't, but equally they wouldn't be eating haylage, or kept in small lush paddocks, or ridden or shod or anything else and would probably be dead by about 8 if they were lucky - think we need to keep it all in perspective really - we don't keep horses naturally - unless your horse is turned out in hundreds of acres of dry hay like grass with very many different terrains and natural shelter and water - something no horse in England is ever likely to encounter - then probably we aren't keeping them as they are meant to live - but they adapt to what they are given and some of us try to adapt to give them something a little more natural. Ayurvedic supplements for sarcoids worked for my horse as did rebooting his immune system with ayurvedic supplements - he had around 6 sarcoids when I bought him and over a course of time on this system I got rid of them - I have a friend who has spent a lot of money on the Liverpool treatment route which is accepted and recommended by vets - and indeed it is so chemically nasty the vets have to apply it, rather than the owners, and the sarcoids on her horse have returned and a lot more aggressively - so she has had to continue on this route because its mainstream and what you do when your horse has sarcoids and you listen to your vet.

As always, its horses for courses and it was a thread I started to ask about the effects of turmeric, not whether anyone agreed with it or not.
 
sjp1 said:
As always, its horses for courses and it was a thread I started to ask about the effects of turmeric, not whether anyone agreed with it or not.
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surely it's effects, that you asked about are rather directly correlated as to whether you may or may not agree with it/think it a good idea?
I am not sure who you are amused by but as I do have a barefoot, forage fed, molasses free horse I am presuming not myself :p. But I opt to feed boswellia over turmeric, and have more recently tested it on myself too ;). I do find some of the anecdotally reported side effects of turmeric in people a little worrying which is why I also haven't opted for it myself, and am a little surprised how many people are then happy to feed it to their animals, as a result I might be a bit concerned about any change in behaviour after I had started feeding it, if it were me.
 
Slightlyconfused said:
People keep suggesting it for me and completely ignore the contraindications as i have low blood pressure and its not recommended.
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And that is of course different - my father's Doctor prescribed him tablets and seemed to completely forget that he had glaucoma - in spite of the fact that my father has been to the Eye Clinic at the Hospital for a year and all of the information about my fathers eyes has been fed back to the local GP practice - luckily my father (who is 81) appears brighter than his doctor and flagged the issue up to him as my Father had taken the time to read the enclosed contra indications on the pamphlet which the Doctor had a) not bothered to do and b) not had the knowledge to realise there was an issue.

So from that which is not the only issue that we have had from the local surgery of Doctors for my Father - don't ever rely on the medical profession to get it right - be that horsey or human!! Or you could be dead fairly quickly from our experience - research it all - for you and your horse would be my advice!!
 
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