How many of you ....

TBH, I think a lot of it is common sense given a label
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I do some of the T-Touch ground exercises, including pole work. At the moment time is in short supply, but they also do work involving walking over plastic sheets, going past flags, backing up between 2 poles. Helpful if you have a go at Le-Trec.
 
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Because I think its wrong for various reasons.

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can you elaborate ?

Im just interested

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Because chasing a horse round and round in circles in order to frighten and exhaust it into submission is not my idea of
gaining a horses trust.

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I dont chase the horse around causing it to become exhausted , perhaps im doing it wrong then lol
I will however move the horse away if he/she does not want to be near me , and walk away . but i can see how you would think that .
 
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Everyone has their own opinion . No need to be sarcastic

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I wasn't being sarcastic. But do they?? Do you think that it makes a difference. I am happy to have my mind changed - but just don't think that horses 'think' in the way in which some 'join up' exponents would have us believe.

I also think that all of us at some level practice what people term as join up every day, within our relationship with our horses generally. Is it common sense, natural ability, affinity?? Who knows. But I don't think that there is any particular 'trick'.
 
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Everyone has their own opinion . No need to be sarcastic

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I wasn't being sarcastic. But do they?? Do you think that it makes a difference. I am happy to have my mind changed - but just don't think that horses 'think' in the way in which some 'join up' exponents would have us believe.

I also think that all of us at some level practice what people term as join up every day, within our relationship with our horses generally. Is it common sense, natural ability,
affinity?? Who knows. But I don't think that there is any particular 'trick'.

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I totally agree with you , I suppose im using the term " join up" in a large scale
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I do think it helps though esp with difficult horses
 
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Do bonding work with your horse as in join up ?

Just curious to know , I always do it before i ride a strange horse when possible of course lol

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If you mean do I follow fancy techniques and follow specific NH methods then no.

If you mean do I instill trust on the ground during day to day handling by using common sense and compassion then yes.
 
Yes, I do join up and it works brilliantly. I can have my mare following me down the yard, up the field, in the school, basically anywhere- because she wants to. Its important that she choses to be with me and I never use food as a bribary.
 
did join up with my mare a few years ago just to try it out. she was on dIY livery at the time and would come galloping up field to me when she seen me and would whinny from stable when i parked car in yard. so didnt really need to do it but thought i should have a go. It obviously doesnt work (in my case anyway!) because when i moved her to different yard where she is on full livery (except not ridden for me) she runs away from me if she sees me coming across field and when i drive into yard she sticks her head out because of the noise, sees its me and then goes back into stable!!

honestly think horses develop more of a bond with you if they realise that they are depending on you to feed them, etc used to find the whole join up thing pretty amazing to watch and went to see monty robverts years ago but dont necessarily think it works for evrybody plus it can be quite a dangerous thing to undertake with a strange horse.

Wouldnt bother trying it with my other horse she is too stupid dont think she would have a clue what im trying to do with her!
 
Why do people feel the need to do join up - quick fix?
Whats wrong with just spending some time with horse, getting to know each other and build up trust in each other, like good horsemen have been doing for years and years!
 
I do join up with my horses !


Everytime i take them out of their stables.......i join the lead rope to the headcollar and off we go
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Exactly! I would hazard a guess that within 2 days of having my new one she knew who to answer to. I don't do hours of handling, just when I do handle it is in a firm but fair fashion, and I do spend all the time I am with her talking or singing LOL
 
At my last yard we had a small indoor for lungeing and loose schooling, and I found that when loose schooling the minute I put the lunge whip down or went to put up the jump (if loose jumping) Louis would always amble over to me and then follow me around the arena like a puppy! I started playing around with it and if i started running he's stick right behind me in trot even if I did zig zags, circles, spirals etc!
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It was so cute and really really did help us to bond.
 
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Wouldnt bother trying it with my other horse she is too stupid dont think she would have a clue what im trying to do with her!

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totally disagree. The whole point of join-up is that you are communicating in a language the horse (any horse) understands. Horses are not stupid, if you do it properly is should work on any horse. Although I wouldn't recommend a novice person trying it with a pushy or dominant horse. The signals you give out are so slight that if you get it wrong the results can be disasterous.
 
I think there is more then one way to skin a cat, what works for one does not work for another, including the owners. We are meant to be the herd leader, which is what makes the horse want to be with/trust us. If we are consistent then most problems resolve themselves. All our horses know to move back when we enter the stable, especially at feed times. They are not allowed into their bowls until they are set down. Even the yearling has learnt this in a short space of time, he will still try it on, but so do all youngsters. Horses like routine & we try to stick to this as much as possible. It does not mean our horses are angels, not by a long shot. I keep forgetting the yearling is a colt, he is so chilled out about things, I believe this is part temperment, part handling. Hopefully he will stay this way & accept a rider as well as he accepts everything else in life so far.
 
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I think there is more then one way to skin a cat, what works for one does not work for another, including the owners. We are meant to be the herd leader, which is what makes the horse want to be with/trust us. If we are consistent then most problems resolve themselves. All our horses know to move back when we enter the stable, especially at feed times. They are not allowed into their bowls until they are set down. Even the yearling has learnt this in a short space of time, he will still try it on, but so do all youngsters. Horses like routine & we try to stick to this as much as possible. It does not mean our horses are angels, not by a long shot. I keep forgetting the yearling is a colt, he is so chilled out about things, I believe this is part temperment, part handling. Hopefully he will stay this way & accept a rider as well as he accepts everything else in life so far.

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Disagree completely. But then I find Mark Rashid theories more plausible than those of MR.
 
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Yes, I use a dooley haulter which, I have found to be invaluable. I also use a few indian tricks my friend taught me but these are to relax her more than bond.

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Can you tell us any more about the indian tricks, I'd be interested in knowing what they are? PM if you'd rather.
 
QR - horses are herd animals and the prefer to have a leader, some will be more dominant than others, some will happily follow. Whether it's called join-up or something else I think any good horse person will educate their horse as to the pecking order of things, this in turn leads to a well mannered horse and a good partnership. Some people do this by their natural affinity, others need guidance and a method to follow so the scope is quite wide and you must pitch yourself within that scope where you think you fit the best, some people have more natural affinity than others but that doesn't mean the others are lesser mortals, every person is different as is every horse.

If in the wild you had a colt with an attitude, then yes the lead mare would chase the little darling until he submitted, it's called sorting out the pecking order, so only with a hose with attitude would I do the whole send him away bring him back thing but certainly not with a nervous horse.
 
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If you mean do I follow fancy techniques and follow specific NH methods then no.

If you mean do I instill trust on the ground during day to day handling by using common sense and compassion then yes.

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Nail-hit-head for me! Same here.
 
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If you mean do I instill trust on the ground during day to day handling by using common sense and compassion then yes.

Yes ... is it not known as join up then ?

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From what I've seen of NH type join up there has to be a 'send away' part. So no that's not join up. My horse loose schools perfectly and enjoys himself, I see no need to send him away and confuse him.
 
You are teaching the horse who is leader and who is top dog so to speak .... Join up does what ?


Like i said its known as join up in a smaller scale , whether it be the whole hog " monty robert style " or having a horse being sent away , OR instilling manners while in the stable, ground or everyday work
 
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I find it interesting that so many people quote 'my horse follows me round' as a measure of how much the horse trusts them? I had a horse who would follow me round anywhere but would didn't trust me enough not to flip out totally if I asked him to walk past a plastic bag in a hedge.

Why is a horse following you round a benefit? Surely it is only a benefit if the 'trust' extends to other more important circumstances- e.g. the plastic bag, an unfamiliar jump, new places, having to stick a thermometer in the bum type thing etc etc?
 
JACQSZOO "Disagree completely. But then I find Mark Rashid theories more plausible than those of MR. "

What disagree that there is more then one way to do something? Disagree that what suits one person does not suit another? or with "We are meant to be the herd leader"? Because we are meant to be the herd leader, that is our role. The same thing when you own a dog, you are the pack leader. They follow you not the other way round.
 
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I find it interesting that so many people quote 'my horse follows me round' as a measure of how much the horse trusts them? I had a horse who would follow me round anywhere but would didn't trust me enough not to flip out totally if I asked him to walk past a plastic bag in a hedge.

Why is a horse following you round a benefit? Surely it is only a benefit if the 'trust' extends to other more important circumstances- e.g. the plastic bag, an unfamiliar jump, new places, having to stick a thermometer in the bum type thing etc etc?

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I think it does visually illustrate that the horse does look at you as the leader of their life.
 
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You are teaching the horse who is leader and who is top dog so to speak .... Join up does what ?


Like i said its known as join up in a smaller scale , whether it be the whole hog " monty robert style " or having a horse being sent away , OR instilling manners while in the stable, ground or everyday work

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No ! It's called good horsemanship.....until you go and rebrand it and start charging people fortunes for little gadgets that they don't really need...then it becomes NH
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