Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Perhaps, but at least I'm not rude with it.
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How much do you trust product recommendations given on the forum?
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vicijp
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Do you have any idea just how annoying it is when you end a particularly sarky, up your own a55 comment with..
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I swear my PC is out of the window soon.
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I swear my PC is out of the window soon.
Weezy
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I think you've rather missed the point re Coligone and other such products....
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I think you've rather missed the point re Coligone and other such products....
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the watcher
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I get absolutely NOTHING for recommending the product and I feel very aggrieved that anyone would think otherwise
In fact I am positively spitting at that comment. I have had some products at wholesale (less than £100 worth), but I have given many hours of my time supporting the product at events, proof reading and giving support, all unpaid. I have never, and absolutely NEVER would *advertise* for money, what a horrible thing to suggest. I recommend the product if someone on here asks for suggestions re: windsucking, because it has worked for ME. If it hadn't have worked for me, friend or not, I would not pass on the fact I think it is good.
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glad you have cleared that up then, others might assume that since you appear on the advertising material for the product that you might in some way have been recompensed for doing so.
I get absolutely NOTHING for recommending the product and I feel very aggrieved that anyone would think otherwise
In fact I am positively spitting at that comment. I have had some products at wholesale (less than £100 worth), but I have given many hours of my time supporting the product at events, proof reading and giving support, all unpaid. I have never, and absolutely NEVER would *advertise* for money, what a horrible thing to suggest. I recommend the product if someone on here asks for suggestions re: windsucking, because it has worked for ME. If it hadn't have worked for me, friend or not, I would not pass on the fact I think it is good.
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glad you have cleared that up then, others might assume that since you appear on the advertising material for the product that you might in some way have been recompensed for doing so.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Yes, maybe it works....but maybe it doesn't....there is no evidence either way. This is one of the big problems with feed products and supplements.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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Weezy
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I can whole-heartedly confirm I do not!
Weezy
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So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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It IS a genuine product - you can go out and buy it! As for whether it is the right product for YOUR horse is another matter entirely - not everything works for every horse.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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It IS a genuine product - you can go out and buy it! As for whether it is the right product for YOUR horse is another matter entirely - not everything works for every horse.
CastleMouse
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It depends entirely on who is recommending the product... so far I haven't been let down too many times by products that have been recommended to me from here.
the watcher
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Yes, maybe it works....but maybe it doesn't....there is no evidence either way. This is one of the big problems with feed products and supplements.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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OOh - mineral water, why didn't I think of that, does it have to be fizzy?
Yes, maybe it works....but maybe it doesn't....there is no evidence either way. This is one of the big problems with feed products and supplements.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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OOh - mineral water, why didn't I think of that, does it have to be fizzy?
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
I can see where you're coming from (and don't suspect you've been secretly paid as you seem too 'up front') but there is nothing to stop anyone selling a 'snake oil' type remedy and claiming that it works...
But some sort of trial or licensing would be good to prevent ineffective or even harmful stuff being sold.
Do you not wonder sometimes how many people get paid to advertise on here (directly or indirectly)?
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But some sort of trial or licensing would be good to prevent ineffective or even harmful stuff being sold.
Do you not wonder sometimes how many people get paid to advertise on here (directly or indirectly)?
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TGM
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Well I can see what you are saying, Shilasdair. Anecdotal recommendations are very well and good, but for a product designed to solve veterinary problems you would want to see proper scientifically based trials.
If someone wanted to be underhand they could easily create several user IDs on here and promote mineral water as a cure for all ills, anything from colic to canker.
The only way real way for a user to differentiate between the claims for, say, Coligone and mineral water would be to see results from scientific trials.
(Disclaimer: I have never tried Coligone or any of the company's products so I have no idea of their efficacy. However, one of my photos is on their website but I never got a discount in exchange
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If someone wanted to be underhand they could easily create several user IDs on here and promote mineral water as a cure for all ills, anything from colic to canker.
The only way real way for a user to differentiate between the claims for, say, Coligone and mineral water would be to see results from scientific trials.
(Disclaimer: I have never tried Coligone or any of the company's products so I have no idea of their efficacy. However, one of my photos is on their website but I never got a discount in exchange
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Go on, throw that PC
Is this better?
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Is this better?
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Sooty
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Yes, maybe it works....but maybe it doesn't....there is no evidence either way. This is one of the big problems with feed products and supplements.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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What are you on about? It is a product that we have found invaluable in our mare, and I can confirm that it does work. There is no 'perhaps' about this products genuineness. It relieves discomfort and works quickly, but if you have never had a colicky horse maybe you wouldn't appreciate these qualities in a product which can be bought easily. As I said before, our vet recommends it, and he is from a specialist equine practice. I cannot understand your scepticism, which seems to be based purely in the fact that the person who devised and marketed Coligone is a HHO member.
Yes, maybe it works....but maybe it doesn't....there is no evidence either way. This is one of the big problems with feed products and supplements.
So if H's mum's product does work, but I start selling mineral water as a cure for colic, there won't be anything to differentiate between my (fake) product and her (perhaps genuine) product, if you see what I mean?
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What are you on about? It is a product that we have found invaluable in our mare, and I can confirm that it does work. There is no 'perhaps' about this products genuineness. It relieves discomfort and works quickly, but if you have never had a colicky horse maybe you wouldn't appreciate these qualities in a product which can be bought easily. As I said before, our vet recommends it, and he is from a specialist equine practice. I cannot understand your scepticism, which seems to be based purely in the fact that the person who devised and marketed Coligone is a HHO member.
Toby_Zaphod
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I think if the product is recommended by several people then I'll have a think about it & read up & then make my mind up.
I seem to be recommending Bateson Trailers & Premier Equine at the moment.......I'm not with either company I recommend what I have purchased & found is good value & works.
People can recommend Devoucoux saddles as much as they want, I'm sure they are wonderful....but well out of my price range I'm afraid
I seem to be recommending Bateson Trailers & Premier Equine at the moment.......I'm not with either company I recommend what I have purchased & found is good value & works.
People can recommend Devoucoux saddles as much as they want, I'm sure they are wonderful....but well out of my price range I'm afraid
Smash
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I've only just joined after lurking for a while and am now decidedly worried about recommending anything without a full written disclaimer lest you start egging my nonexistant company car.
As for which recommendations I trust - I don't take any to be gospel, but appreciate hearing others' experiences and the reasons why they would recommend a product so I can make my own mind up.
That said, it's always nice to have someone else to blame.
As for which recommendations I trust - I don't take any to be gospel, but appreciate hearing others' experiences and the reasons why they would recommend a product so I can make my own mind up.
That said, it's always nice to have someone else to blame.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
You can't really confirm that it works, though, can you - only that at the time you fed it, your mare improved. You need a test group and a control group really.
In Indonesia, when there's an eclipse, they bang drums to make the dragons spit out the sun/moon. The eclipse ends...does this mean drumming works?
And no, I have nothing against Coligone or the manufacturers.
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In Indonesia, when there's an eclipse, they bang drums to make the dragons spit out the sun/moon. The eclipse ends...does this mean drumming works?
And no, I have nothing against Coligone or the manufacturers.
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Sooty
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Hello Smash and welcome! A couple of very good points there; on the whole the recommendations I have received on here have turned out to be well worth following up.
SpottedCat
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You can't really confirm that it works, though, can you - only that at the time you fed it, your mare improved. You need a test group and a control group really.
In Indonesia, when there's an eclipse, they bang drums to make the dragons spit out the sun/moon. The eclipse ends...does this mean drumming works?
And no, I have nothing against Coligone or the manufacturers.
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You seem to have something against this product though.
Ok, I have used (and do use) it. I use it on a stressy traveller. One syringe before travelling. Prior to using it, he would arrive with sweat puddled around his feet and very tucked up having not eaten. I changed nothing but the addition of coligone - he arrived warm, not tucked up and having eaten. So I wondered whether he had got used to travelling or not and tested my theory - he is travelled most weeks BTW. I travelled him on journeys with roughly the same proportion of motorway, that were roughly the same length. For some journeys, I gave him coligone, for some I didn't. When I did, he would arrive warm, not tucked up and having eaten. When I didn't, he would arrive with sweat puddled round his feet, tucked up having not eaten. This season, I ran out half way through and forgot to order more int ime. Never mind I thought, he's been fine so far this year. He arrived dripping again.
Now given that I cannot control every variable which may have made a difference - air temp, exact driving speeds, nature of vehicles which may have passed us, tightness of travel boots, bale of haylage used etc, I realise that this is not a scientifically sound study. But having used my horse as a control as well as administering the product, and having done this repeatedly over about a year, it does have an effect on him.
Of course, there is probably some flaw in my reasoning...
You can't really confirm that it works, though, can you - only that at the time you fed it, your mare improved. You need a test group and a control group really.
In Indonesia, when there's an eclipse, they bang drums to make the dragons spit out the sun/moon. The eclipse ends...does this mean drumming works?
And no, I have nothing against Coligone or the manufacturers.
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You seem to have something against this product though.
Ok, I have used (and do use) it. I use it on a stressy traveller. One syringe before travelling. Prior to using it, he would arrive with sweat puddled around his feet and very tucked up having not eaten. I changed nothing but the addition of coligone - he arrived warm, not tucked up and having eaten. So I wondered whether he had got used to travelling or not and tested my theory - he is travelled most weeks BTW. I travelled him on journeys with roughly the same proportion of motorway, that were roughly the same length. For some journeys, I gave him coligone, for some I didn't. When I did, he would arrive warm, not tucked up and having eaten. When I didn't, he would arrive with sweat puddled round his feet, tucked up having not eaten. This season, I ran out half way through and forgot to order more int ime. Never mind I thought, he's been fine so far this year. He arrived dripping again.
Now given that I cannot control every variable which may have made a difference - air temp, exact driving speeds, nature of vehicles which may have passed us, tightness of travel boots, bale of haylage used etc, I realise that this is not a scientifically sound study. But having used my horse as a control as well as administering the product, and having done this repeatedly over about a year, it does have an effect on him.
Of course, there is probably some flaw in my reasoning...
Weezy
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I can see where you're coming from (and don't suspect you've been secretly paid as you seem too 'up front') but there is nothing to stop anyone selling a 'snake oil' type remedy and claiming that it works...
But some sort of trial or licensing would be good to prevent ineffective or even harmful stuff being sold.
Do you not wonder sometimes how many people get paid to advertise on here (directly or indirectly)?
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1) Yes I do think that there are people who get paid to advertise on here and other forums - or they themselves are the company and do nothing but say "Wow, just wanted to tell you all about the fantastic service I have had from XYZ" - that, for sure, happens.
As for clinical trials etc - yes, in an ideal world that would happen for all products on the market - as we know, it does not. Coligone does NOT purport to relieve or cure colic - the word COLIC is nowhere to be found on their website or marketing materials. It acts as a stomach acid buffer, and that is explained on the website.
I can see where you're coming from (and don't suspect you've been secretly paid as you seem too 'up front') but there is nothing to stop anyone selling a 'snake oil' type remedy and claiming that it works...
But some sort of trial or licensing would be good to prevent ineffective or even harmful stuff being sold.
Do you not wonder sometimes how many people get paid to advertise on here (directly or indirectly)?
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1) Yes I do think that there are people who get paid to advertise on here and other forums - or they themselves are the company and do nothing but say "Wow, just wanted to tell you all about the fantastic service I have had from XYZ" - that, for sure, happens.
As for clinical trials etc - yes, in an ideal world that would happen for all products on the market - as we know, it does not. Coligone does NOT purport to relieve or cure colic - the word COLIC is nowhere to be found on their website or marketing materials. It acts as a stomach acid buffer, and that is explained on the website.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
You're wrong, I haven't anything against it or any other product (except for the 'humane' girth which cut my horse but that's another story).
I'd really like there to be a product which prevented, or maybe lessened colic.
Your anecdotal evidence sounds interesting as you'd controlled a lot of the variables - but wouldn't you like to find out how it works too? A larger scale study of some horses would be good...
I'm also someone who always reads ingredients (as my horses have various allergies) so would never buy something where they weren't listed.
And even the big fizzy drink companies aren't frightened to list their ingredients - it being the proportions that count.
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I'd really like there to be a product which prevented, or maybe lessened colic.
Your anecdotal evidence sounds interesting as you'd controlled a lot of the variables - but wouldn't you like to find out how it works too? A larger scale study of some horses would be good...
I'm also someone who always reads ingredients (as my horses have various allergies) so would never buy something where they weren't listed.
And even the big fizzy drink companies aren't frightened to list their ingredients - it being the proportions that count.
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SpottedCat
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The bottle does list the ingredients...
It doesn't 'prevent' or lessen colic, it acts as a stomach acid buffer, rather like remedies such as gaviscon do in humans. I know how I guess it works on my horse, but then again I have got a reasonable level of education in terms of physiology, so it's what you'd call an educated guess I suppose.
Yes, I would love to see a large scale study - however, my vets are doing one now on a joint supplement which uses gait analysis before and after the product is used and have struggled to get enough volunteers
It doesn't 'prevent' or lessen colic, it acts as a stomach acid buffer, rather like remedies such as gaviscon do in humans. I know how I guess it works on my horse, but then again I have got a reasonable level of education in terms of physiology, so it's what you'd call an educated guess I suppose.
Yes, I would love to see a large scale study - however, my vets are doing one now on a joint supplement which uses gait analysis before and after the product is used and have struggled to get enough volunteers
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Ah, but I don't have a bottle!
The website seems to say it maintains stomach acid levels (should that not mean reduce the acidity if the stomach is too acidic and there are gastric ulcer problems?)
I think it also says it has microflora for the hind gut, and foals and mares need it for calcium and other mineral uptake (should this not be provided by a balanced nutrient intake, though?)
Is there any reason your vets have struggled to get volunteers? That seems strange...
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The website seems to say it maintains stomach acid levels (should that not mean reduce the acidity if the stomach is too acidic and there are gastric ulcer problems?)
I think it also says it has microflora for the hind gut, and foals and mares need it for calcium and other mineral uptake (should this not be provided by a balanced nutrient intake, though?)
Is there any reason your vets have struggled to get volunteers? That seems strange...
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druid
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Presumably it has similar ingredients to Gaviscon or Acidex (both of those are human acid buffers) - go to www.gaviscon.co.uk and watch the animations - an explanation of how it works.
However...I have only used it for 2 weeks, don't advertise it here or anywhere else, did get a discount (free p&p) same effect as Acidex which is cheaper for me to get so I use it instead.
However...I have only used it for 2 weeks, don't advertise it here or anywhere else, did get a discount (free p&p) same effect as Acidex which is cheaper for me to get so I use it instead.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Thanks, so it's just antacids, plus some pre and possibly probiotics then? Are there many minerals in it (if you are allowed to tell me, I don't want to break any commercial patents)?
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Weezy
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If anyone has a bottle to hand then feel free to write the ingredients on here BTW - I don't have a bottle to hand otherwise I would have done that hours ago
druid
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I don't have any bottles to hand - if some one does I'll post the contents of Acidex for comparison though!
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Acidex ingredients: Per 10 ml - 500mg sodium alginate, 267mg sodium bicarbonate, 160mg calcium carbonate also contains carbomer, methyl parahydroxybenzoate, propyl parahydroxybenzoate, sodium saccharin, sodium hydroxide, anisedd flavour derived from fennel, erythosine and water
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Acidex ingredients: Per 10 ml - 500mg sodium alginate, 267mg sodium bicarbonate, 160mg calcium carbonate also contains carbomer, methyl parahydroxybenzoate, propyl parahydroxybenzoate, sodium saccharin, sodium hydroxide, anisedd flavour derived from fennel, erythosine and water
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Oh, that would be good - thanks bottle posters (you know what I mean!)
Another thought - do you reckon there are sneaky marketers that we don't spot, advising us to buy stuff/do stuff? The obvious ones may be the tip of the iceberg....
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Another thought - do you reckon there are sneaky marketers that we don't spot, advising us to buy stuff/do stuff? The obvious ones may be the tip of the iceberg....
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druid
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Ingredients added above!
Yes, there is def. sneaky marketing - the latest I've noticed is someone with a vested interest in a particular event stud
Yes, there is def. sneaky marketing - the latest I've noticed is someone with a vested interest in a particular event stud
the watcher
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Interesting comment about the humane girth..I love mine and would be reluctant to use anything else
druid
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I won't use those humane girths on the basis if a girth tab snaps you suddenly have a dangerously loose girth!