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Have you done a string test on him?
How much more will he grow
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TheMule
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You are not fat. You are, however, too big for this horse, at least at its current state of maturity, strength and education. Perhaps in a year's time with a lot of in-hand work and correct work by a small, lightweight rider, it will be ok. At the moment, it is not. It's a welfare issue, I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.
I'm Dun
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In answer to your question, he might not grow at all ever again. At his age you might get some growth, you arent going to get enough to level up, and you may not get any at all. Unfortunately, some cobs remain horribly croup high their entire lives, and it will affect soundness as they will forever be heavily loading the front end. They are also horrible to ride.
And no saddle fitter alive is going to get a saddle on that pony that fits you.
I and others say pony, because he's not 14.3hh.
And no saddle fitter alive is going to get a saddle on that pony that fits you.
I and others say pony, because he's not 14.3hh.
Maz AJ
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And how do you know I won’t be doing that? The original question is far from what this has become. I know he needs careful development but anyway im not explaining myself anymore end of discussion. Oh and one last thing the saddle will never be perfect for rider or horse at a viewing as it is not the saddle I will use I will have one correctly fitted and checked throughout his development (dealer very well renowned)
CanteringCarrot
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Roasted Chestnuts
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You know what you do you and then when his backs knackered and he’s chucking you off I wouldn’t bother coming in here asking for any advice. Finding saddles for cob youngsters is a nightmare as well, take is from a Welsh cob owner, so good luck with that also. Also my cob is 7 and still bum high but he doesn’t have conformation like that one your buying. If he did I wouldn’t be riding him.
You seem rather rude and ignorant so yeah batter in but don’t expect anyone here to give you any sympathy when it all falls apart
southerncomfort
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Hi OP,
I think someone upthread asked the question but perhaps you didn't see it - did you make sure that the pre purchase examination was carried out by a vet that has no connection to the dealer?
Did you check on the dodgy dealer FB pages to make sure it was a reputable dealer.
Regarding how much he'll grow, you may find that he levels out a bit, but I don't recall ever seeing a horse quite so bum high at 4.5. Cobs don't tend to mature until 6 or 7, but most of that growth will be outwards rather than upwards, so you may get another inch but probably not much more than that.
If you look at your side on photo of him and draw a line from his croup going towards his head, you'll see the difference in height between his croup and his withers is significant, and likely to be several inches. If he's definitely a youngster he might level out by a couple of inches, but not much more than that. So that would suggest that he might always be quite unlevel.
Looking again at your picture, if you imagine a saddle sitting on his very curvy, dipped back, you can see that will not sit very level, and because of the curve, it gives you a lot less space to play with.
Personally, I wouldn't ride him yet, and I wouldn't be looking to buy a saddle right now as it may be money wasted.
I'd probably turn him away for at least 3 to 6 months (you can keep doing groundwork and taking him for in hand walks in this time), and then look to see if he's levelled out at all.
It might be an idea to have your own vet out in that time to give him a quick health check, and have his teeth done. Perhaps you could ask your vet to confirm the horse's age too, just in case he's a little younger or older than you thought, just so that you can tailor his workload appropriately.
I think someone upthread asked the question but perhaps you didn't see it - did you make sure that the pre purchase examination was carried out by a vet that has no connection to the dealer?
Did you check on the dodgy dealer FB pages to make sure it was a reputable dealer.
Regarding how much he'll grow, you may find that he levels out a bit, but I don't recall ever seeing a horse quite so bum high at 4.5. Cobs don't tend to mature until 6 or 7, but most of that growth will be outwards rather than upwards, so you may get another inch but probably not much more than that.
If you look at your side on photo of him and draw a line from his croup going towards his head, you'll see the difference in height between his croup and his withers is significant, and likely to be several inches. If he's definitely a youngster he might level out by a couple of inches, but not much more than that. So that would suggest that he might always be quite unlevel.
Looking again at your picture, if you imagine a saddle sitting on his very curvy, dipped back, you can see that will not sit very level, and because of the curve, it gives you a lot less space to play with.
Personally, I wouldn't ride him yet, and I wouldn't be looking to buy a saddle right now as it may be money wasted.
I'd probably turn him away for at least 3 to 6 months (you can keep doing groundwork and taking him for in hand walks in this time), and then look to see if he's levelled out at all.
It might be an idea to have your own vet out in that time to give him a quick health check, and have his teeth done. Perhaps you could ask your vet to confirm the horse's age too, just in case he's a little younger or older than you thought, just so that you can tailor his workload appropriately.
TheMule
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That’s a totally different scenario to the OP- this cob appears to be mature, strong across the back, level and with much stronger conformation. It is carrying a bit too much condition but it does look fine for carrying that rider, based off 1 photo
I'm Dun
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The pony in question in the photo, which has been stolen from my private facebook account and posted here as a dig at me, was incredibly fit. Fit enough for outdoor driving trials which is equivalent to three day eventing. I was 16% of her body weight including tack. I sold her not long after this as she was too small for me, but there was an interim period where she transitioned from driving to riding and we discovered PSSM, that I kept dithering about it as she was such an outstanding pony. I fitted into the saddle easily, and the saddle fitted her. She was actually very easy to fit a saddle to, and while I am short and fat, I carry weight on my boobs and stomach so have short legs and no bum, which works well for fitting in small saddles.
Its actually a pretty good comparison, as she was a smart, nicely put together mare who was started slowly and carefully and was either 6 or 7 before I ever sat on her. I'm really unwell at the moment, but will see if I can find the conformation photos I have, or perhaps @biker2020 seeing as you are so familiar with my facebook account you could pop on and post them for me? Theres one of her at 4 looking ropey and one about the time of the photo where shes fit and looking as she did as a mature pony.
And thanks to the person who PMed me. Its fine. If someone wants to do that, its more about them than me and that was such a good day and brought back lots of lovely memories seeing it
ester
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Having met her I can confirm that B is/was a nicely put together decent sort of cob. Pretty much the opposite of the one in the OP
Maz AJ
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This is not your photo so you can stop your lies. This is a very reputable dealer, I am not going to name as I don’t want her reputation tarred by your lack of knowledge. I’m on dodgy dealers have been for a while. I have an equin agent also very reputable, and several very experienced friends who’ve helped me with vettings. The 5 stage was not done by dealers vet. And because of all this I spent more money getting another vet check, spine age and confirmation was all cleared so please can people stop commenting on what they clearly don’t know and to my detriment as I’ve now spent more money because of all this crap. He will be brought on slowly, have a saddle fitter who has already looked and explained what we can do for a suitable saddle and this will be checked frequently. He will be doing more in hand work with the odd slow 30 min hack using hills etc to help him develope and desensitise to varying objects and situations, with correct nutrition for a growing youngster with several very knowledgeable people around me helping and assisting in this process. I am not buying him to blast him around every day. I did equine sports science as my degree so not exactly unknowledgeable myself. Over the next 18-24 months he will very gently be brought on. I don’t even know why I’m arguing but everything everyone said has been disproved by vets, reputable dealer, experienced equestrians, trainers and saddler. So enough is enoughThe pony in question in the photo, which has been stolen from my private facebook account and posted here as a dig at me, was incredibly fit. Fit enough for outdoor driving trials which is equivalent to three day eventing. I was 16% of her body weight including tack. I sold her not long after this as she was too small for me, but there was an interim period where she transitioned from driving to riding and we discovered PSSM, that I kept dithering about it as she was such an outstanding pony. I fitted into the saddle easily, and the saddle fitted her. She was actually very easy to fit a saddle to, and while I am short and fat, I carry weight on my boobs and stomach so have short legs and no bum, which works well for fitting in small saddles.
Its actually a pretty good comparison, as she was a smart, nicely put together mare who was started slowly and carefully and was either 6 or 7 before I ever sat on her. I'm really unwell at the moment, but will see if I can find the conformation photos I have, or perhaps @biker2020 seeing as you are so familiar with my facebook account you could pop on and post them for me? Theres one of her at 4 looking ropey and one about the time of the photo where shes fit and looking as she did as a mature pony.
And thanks to the person who PMed me. Its fine. If someone wants to do that, its more about them than me and that was such a good day and brought back lots of lovely memories seeing it
I'm Dun
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Go back and read it again. You have clearly misunderstood. My pony and the pony you have bought are worlds apart. Tbh though, you also would have struggled to fit into the saddle on my pony, you have much longer legs than me and are much taller so would have had nowhere for them to go. But something like the stamp of my mare about 15 hands would have been perfect. She was the kindest, sweetest pony and would have been ideal personality wise for you, so suitable horses are out there.
I didn't comment for your sake, you have made a mistake and that's for you to deal with. But when someone posts a stolen photo of my pony then I'm going to comment. Its also very useful for anyone else reading this who maybe doesn't quite understand, to see the difference. I'm going to go and dig up those conformation shots now.
Maz AJ
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The pony in question in the photo, which has been stolen from my private facebook account and posted here as a dig at me, was incredibly fit. Fit enough for outdoor driving trials which is equivalent to three day eventing. I was 16% of her body weight including tack. I sold her not long after this as she was too small for me, but there was an interim period where she transitioned from driving to riding and we discovered PSSM, that I kept dithering about it as she was such an outstanding pony. I fitted into the saddle easily, and the saddle fitted her. She was actually very easy to fit a saddle to, and while I am short and fat, I carry weight on my boobs and stomach so have short legs and no bum, which works well for fitting in small saddles.
Its actually a pretty good comparison, as she was a smart, nicely put together mare who was started slowly and carefully and was either 6 or 7 before I ever sat on her. I'm really unwell at the moment, but will see if I can find the conformation photos I have, or perhaps @biker2020 seeing as you are so familiar with my facebook account you could pop on and post them for me? Theres one of her at 4 looking ropey and one about the time of the photo where shes fit and looking as she did as a mature pony.
And thanks to the person who PMed me. Its fine. If someone wants to do that, its more about them than me and that was such a good day and brought back lots of lovely memories seeing it
The only photos on this post are of my horse. if your talking about different situation you need to be clear. Your sentence litterally says “The pony in question in the photo, which has been stolen from my private facebook account and posted here as a dig at me” And Irish cobs are known to develope slower so he hopefully will make 15h. They are also bred to be slightly crop high but his is clearly a baby horse growth spurt. he will hopefully make 15h as he matures. But even if he just leavels up a bit (which he will) he will look fine, a second vet has confirmed no back or conformation issues with this horse. So two different vet’s have confirmed this! There are also ways to fit saddles for longer legged riders. My saddler also well known has already spoken about options. Shallower seat square cantle etc. His saddle will obviously have to change as he developes and fills out.
Errin Paddywack
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You have obviously missed the other photo put up which was not of yours. It would appear to have been taken down which is why you haven't seen it.
I'm Dun
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Yes, Birker2020 went onto a dormant facebook account of mine, god knows how she found it, and it does give me the creeps to be honest. She stole a lovely photo of me riding Bobbie on the racecourse at Towcester and posted it here with a weird spiteful comment.
Birker is on UI so I hadn't realised she had deleted it, I was only aware of it in the first place as someone PMed me. I'm sorry for any confusion caused, I didn't think to check it was still there, so that's on me. Sadly Birker does like to take over any post she fancies to make it about her. My apologises for the confusion that's ensued.
I'm recovering from norovirus and still not great, but later today I'll go and find the photo and post it alongside the conformation photos as it makes for a very good comparison and clears up any confusion.
JFTDWS
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Nobody can tell you how much more the pony will grow because nobody has a crystal ball.
One of mine grew 3 inches between 4 and 7ish, the others might've been lucky to pick up an inch at that age. There are so many variables that affect how fast a young horse grows and whether / how quickly it attains its maximum height, it's impossible to predict accurately from a photo.
As for the conformation of that poor pony, or the suitability of the pairing - there's nothing good to say here.
One of mine grew 3 inches between 4 and 7ish, the others might've been lucky to pick up an inch at that age. There are so many variables that affect how fast a young horse grows and whether / how quickly it attains its maximum height, it's impossible to predict accurately from a photo.
As for the conformation of that poor pony, or the suitability of the pairing - there's nothing good to say here.
Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls
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What a very sad little cob, I do hope OP decides not to purchase and one can hope the little coblet might end up in a nice home that will just chuck toddlers on to walk around the fields or something equally undemanding.
OP this cob is not suitable for you, I will not say anymore it has already been covered in every detail.
OP this cob is not suitable for you, I will not say anymore it has already been covered in every detail.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
He is not clearly a baby horse in a growth spurt that’s the problem
Maz AJ
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Ah ok I’m sorry for my reaction then. I hadn’t seen any other photos.
Maz AJ
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Thank you I’m sorry too for the misunderstanding
paddy555
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totally and utterly lost, beyond me.
what relevance has Bobbie got to the pony in the first post? sorry to appear thick.
I'm Dun
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totally and utterly lost, beyond me.
what relevance has Bobbie got to the pony in the first post? sorry to appear thick.
Birker for some unknown reason went and found my facebook account, went through my photos and posted a photo of me riding bobbie on here with a snarky little comment. Utterly bizarre behaviour which is now causing lots of people to be totally confused because unbeknownst to me, as shes on UI, when she didn't get the comments she expected, deleted the stolen photo.
Its ludicrous and you honestly couldn't make it up
GrassChop
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I was confused too as someone replied to Birker as what she had said was quoted in their response but I couldn't even find the post from her so it looks like the whole thing was removed, not just the photo. I saw your reply and was completely lost until I'd figured it out!
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I did see Birker’s snarky post with the stolen photo, but Birker’s whole post has since been pulled albeit it part remains (without the photo) in another poster’s quote refuting it.
I’m presuming that someone reported Birker’s post - pinching private photos and putting them on HHO in a (totally failed) attempt to discredit another poster is IMHO worthy of a ban.
I’m Dun, what a grand sort of a cob she is, and nothing like the poorly conformed example that this thread started out about
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I’m presuming that someone reported Birker’s post - pinching private photos and putting them on HHO in a (totally failed) attempt to discredit another poster is IMHO worthy of a ban.
I’m Dun, what a grand sort of a cob she is, and nothing like the poorly conformed example that this thread started out about
.I'm Dun
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Here is the missing photo. I dont like the way it was posted, but its actually a very good comparison. So this is Bobbie, my old driving pony, now sold on because she was and always would be too small for me. However as noted previously, I was 16% with tack and she was very fit. At 14.1/2hh she wouldn't be suitable for the OP but a 15h version would be absolutely perfect in every way as she was the sweetest, kindest pony I've ever met.
And just before anyone says it, no I am not 18stone in that photo I have previously been that weight and more, but stopped riding way before I got to that weight. I have lost 5 stone over the last few years. hideous photo to prove it
A closer photo of Bobbie. She was never a big hairy cob, but she did have some substance and good back conformation and somewhere to put a saddle.
And a very early photo of her. At this point no one rode her, she was growing and weak. She was never as unlevel as that photo makes her look though, shes stoof with her front feet lower. But even so, we were careful. She did an awful lot of long reining
This is another pony of mine, Leo. Typical hairy cob, but with good conformation and the nicest front I've seen on something bred to pull a cart. Now he really would have carried some weight, he is still the strongest horse I have ever met, with phenomenal bone and a broad strong back. But, his lovely strong back is VERY short. 16.5" saddle at the most and even that had to be very, very carefully fitted with upswept panels etc. If he'd been significantly bum high there would have been nowhere at all to put a saddle. And while he was slightly bum or croup high, functionally he's actually fairly uphill and rode that way. Bobbie while more level is functionally more downhill and actually did ride slightly that way. She just didn't have the big front he does, and in the end that meant she was much better with a smaller rider who didn't feel like they were going to come off the front all the time!
OP I appreciate this thread has been totally derailed, but I hope the photos have given you some insight into what everyone means. Sadly I cant find the side on stood up photos which would have been better, but it does give you some idea of conformation and saddle fit etc
And just before anyone says it, no I am not 18stone in that photo
I have previously been that weight and more, but stopped riding way before I got to that weight. I have lost 5 stone over the last few years. hideous photo to prove it
A closer photo of Bobbie. She was never a big hairy cob, but she did have some substance and good back conformation and somewhere to put a saddle.
And a very early photo of her. At this point no one rode her, she was growing and weak. She was never as unlevel as that photo makes her look though, shes stoof with her front feet lower. But even so, we were careful. She did an awful lot of long reining
This is another pony of mine, Leo. Typical hairy cob, but with good conformation and the nicest front I've seen on something bred to pull a cart. Now he really would have carried some weight, he is still the strongest horse I have ever met, with phenomenal bone and a broad strong back. But, his lovely strong back is VERY short. 16.5" saddle at the most and even that had to be very, very carefully fitted with upswept panels etc. If he'd been significantly bum high there would have been nowhere at all to put a saddle. And while he was slightly bum or croup high, functionally he's actually fairly uphill and rode that way. Bobbie while more level is functionally more downhill and actually did ride slightly that way. She just didn't have the big front he does, and in the end that meant she was much better with a smaller rider who didn't feel like they were going to come off the front all the time!
OP I appreciate this thread has been totally derailed, but I hope the photos have given you some insight into what everyone means. Sadly I cant find the side on stood up photos which would have been better, but it does give you some idea of conformation and saddle fit etc
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Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls
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Very nice cobs indeed @ I'm Dun.
I'm Dun
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I've definitely got better photos somewhere, and will also have them of another very, very smart 14.1hh cob who would have made a high level show cob if he had been a hand bigger but who also struggled with saddle fit, and a LW 15.1hh, very different stamp, who would still have been fine with OPs height and weight. If anyone is really interested I will go and find them
paddy555
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I'm Dun
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For someone who loves arabs/TBs and sports horses the more breedy and stick legged the better, I seem to have had quite a lot of cobs
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I have defended Birker on one of her posts as I felt some comments were unkind in nature and intention, and she then goes and undermines any standing she may have had by doing silly/awful things like that.
Sorry that's happened to you ID, lovely cobs though!