ElleJS
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Echo Tigers Eye- just what I was about to put!
How much *should* i have paid for this horse ?
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FRESHMAN
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Well that just goes to show how
1. How excited I was &
2. How misleading an advert COULD be.
I was about to offer quite a lot of money LOL.
1. How excited I was &
2. How misleading an advert COULD be.
I was about to offer quite a lot of money LOL.
Rambo
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Competed up to Medium level in Holland as a 6yo
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Ahh now I have read this part......I am changing my guess! Did you import him from Holland? Most of the Medium level horses I bought from Germany cost me about £2,000. So I will change my guess to £3,000.
You are scamming us!!!
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LOL!
I'm disregarding this comment as you already know the answer
He also 'failed' as a dressage horse..thus his switch to SJ'ing
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Competed up to Medium level in Holland as a 6yo
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Ahh now I have read this part......I am changing my guess! Did you import him from Holland? Most of the Medium level horses I bought from Germany cost me about £2,000. So I will change my guess to £3,000.
You are scamming us!!!
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LOL!
I'm disregarding this comment as you already know the answer
Tia
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LOL!! You didn't actually tell me the price though......LOL!
Emma123
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I know how much you paid from previous threads 
But he was dirt cheap if you ask me, he should have been £20,000 worth
But he was dirt cheap if you ask me, he should have been £20,000 worth
carthorse
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I think if it is straight forward and a good jumper and moves well it would be worth around 20k as they are few and far between.The ones in the ads don't give their age and if they are that good they wouldn't be that cheap.There are plenty of people willing to pay good money for the right horse and so they should they pay that for a car all the time and they loose money straight away.
Good luck with your horse he sounds lovely
Good luck with your horse he sounds lovely
Rambo
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Well, this has been quite interesting to say the least.....at worst it has been quite astonishing
I posted this, not looking for praise or envy, but simply because i have thought for some time now that people have been vastly over-estimating what they think horses are 'worth' on here
I don't mean what people are asking, but what they should realistically be getting
The horse in question was purchased from a reputable dealer in the UK. He had imported the horse from the continent and was (presumably) taking a decent profit from the sale.
There are a few astute people on here who picked up that a horse jumping 1.30m/1.40m with a pro as a 7yo would most likely not make the grade at the top level. I would have to agree, and say that if this particular horse was going to go 'all the way' he would certainly not be in the hands of an amateur today
What everyone would do well to remember is that the pro's can probably get an extra 10cms to 20cms out of most horses compared to us 'amateurs', and there is a vast difference between jumping a DC at that level and being competitive at it
As Freshman also pointed out, there is huge potential for mis-interpreting the written word, and we shouldn't always read what we would like to see.
I'm going to be a bit of a stooge now and say that i will keep the 'actual' figure to myself...as is my perogative...but i suspect that many of you would be surprised (or even shocked) to hear that only one person so far has underestimated the price paid for this horse...and even they were only slightly adrift
Please, please, please...remember...a horse is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it...and if everyone starts talking the prices up, then that's the way they will surely go
Thanks for participating (however unwittingly) in my lil' experiment
I posted this, not looking for praise or envy, but simply because i have thought for some time now that people have been vastly over-estimating what they think horses are 'worth' on here
The horse in question was purchased from a reputable dealer in the UK. He had imported the horse from the continent and was (presumably) taking a decent profit from the sale.
There are a few astute people on here who picked up that a horse jumping 1.30m/1.40m with a pro as a 7yo would most likely not make the grade at the top level. I would have to agree, and say that if this particular horse was going to go 'all the way' he would certainly not be in the hands of an amateur today
As Freshman also pointed out, there is huge potential for mis-interpreting the written word, and we shouldn't always read what we would like to see.
I'm going to be a bit of a stooge now and say that i will keep the 'actual' figure to myself...as is my perogative...but i suspect that many of you would be surprised (or even shocked) to hear that only one person so far has underestimated the price paid for this horse...and even they were only slightly adrift
Please, please, please...remember...a horse is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it...and if everyone starts talking the prices up, then that's the way they will surely go
Thanks for participating (however unwittingly) in my lil' experiment
seabiscuit
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I know roughly what you paid for him from previous threads, but reading on what he's done and achieved I'd say a £25 k horse.
I cannot help but wonder how you got him so cheap though?!! I understand that a pro rider can get a average horse to jump a decent sized course, but still think that a horse has to have a reasonable amount of ability to be jumping 1.40 clears though... and with that form alone he should have been worth a lot more.
I feel that people care more about 'form' rather than ability..... a friend has just paid £20k for a bog average, carthorse looking event horse that hardly gives any air over a fence and does not look as though it will go further than intermediate at a push, but because its got good form it was worth that amount...which is what I mean about Bo, he had the form/winnings, but your saying that because of his actual ability he was cheap......but he should have been worth more I think!!
I cannot help but wonder how you got him so cheap though?!! I understand that a pro rider can get a average horse to jump a decent sized course, but still think that a horse has to have a reasonable amount of ability to be jumping 1.40 clears though... and with that form alone he should have been worth a lot more.
I feel that people care more about 'form' rather than ability..... a friend has just paid £20k for a bog average, carthorse looking event horse that hardly gives any air over a fence and does not look as though it will go further than intermediate at a push, but because its got good form it was worth that amount...which is what I mean about Bo, he had the form/winnings, but your saying that because of his actual ability he was cheap......but he should have been worth more I think!!
SSM
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I would only have paid 50p - well he's not a Cleveland!!
MagicMelon
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I'd say £20,000. Absolute minimum of £15k on todays market.
dieseldog
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From what you said in the past I know you didn't pay what people think you should have. On todays market I would say £12k.
Saying that though I was phoning up horses (no price on advert) that had £200 BSJA and jumped a few Newcomers and people wanted £15K!
Saying that though I was phoning up horses (no price on advert) that had £200 BSJA and jumped a few Newcomers and people wanted £15K!
PaddyMonty
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£3.2s.6d if it came with rugs and tack
PLAYBOY
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16.3hh 7YO KWPN chestnut gelding by Fuego du Prelet (Jumped 2 x World Cup Finals and 5* GP). BSJA £650...jumped DC's at 1.30m/1.40m with pro rider and currently winning and placing at 1.10m/1.20m with an amateur. Rarely has a pole. Good to clip, shoe, box, hacks alone or in company but not a novice ride. An ideal YR's horse.
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RAMBO ! can u find me a horse like this for not stupid money ??
16.3hh 7YO KWPN chestnut gelding by Fuego du Prelet (Jumped 2 x World Cup Finals and 5* GP). BSJA £650...jumped DC's at 1.30m/1.40m with pro rider and currently winning and placing at 1.10m/1.20m with an amateur. Rarely has a pole. Good to clip, shoe, box, hacks alone or in company but not a novice ride. An ideal YR's horse.
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RAMBO ! can u find me a horse like this for not stupid money ??
wizzi901
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Ah like you say its how much someone is prepared to pay.
I bought my ex grade A at 16 years old for £1700, he is still winning (won this weekend and last!) at the age of 26. He has the most fabulous turn and really knows his stuff.
I wouldnt pay silly money, but its always nice when you get a bit of quality for a decent amount of money and dont get sucked in by the hype!!
I bought my ex grade A at 16 years old for £1700, he is still winning (won this weekend and last!) at the age of 26. He has the most fabulous turn and really knows his stuff.
I wouldnt pay silly money, but its always nice when you get a bit of quality for a decent amount of money and dont get sucked in by the hype!!
Dogbetty141
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come on rambo i desperatley want to know how much you paid not made a guess as im useless at this sort of thing but at the end of the day a horse is worth how much someone is prepared to pay for them! Sounds like a wonderful horse tho so id say above the 30k mark!
juliebrewer
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I'm no good at this but if it is sound etc and a dressage star then your looking at say..........£50,000 - +++
I dunno tell us!
I dunno tell us!
Anastasia
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I would have said that you might well have paid under £10k for this horse. For a horse to be sold coming from a "pro" in Holland to the UK for an amateur to ride, then it did not have top level potential (dont take this personally re your horse...
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The Europeans have excellent marketing skills for selling these kind of horses to the UK, whether it is done through a dealer or direct with a stable.
As Rambo has pointed out, a horse is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
The Europeans have excellent marketing skills for selling these kind of horses to the UK, whether it is done through a dealer or direct with a stable.
As Rambo has pointed out, a horse is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
polyphonic
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£12 was he imported by you or did you purchase him from someone here?
Rambo
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I would have said that you might well have paid under £10k for this horse. For a horse to be sold coming from a "pro" in Holland to the UK for an amateur to ride, then it did not have top level potential (dont take this personally re your horse...
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The Europeans have excellent marketing skills for selling these kind of horses to the UK, whether it is done through a dealer or direct with a stable.
As Rambo has pointed out, a horse is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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No offence taken at all....and in fact i think you have summarized the scenario perfectly. I actually purchased the horse from a UK based dealer who had imported him from Holland himself a few months earlier. Even with the UK dealers profit on top the figure was less than £10k (in fact a fair bit less). Okay, this was 18 months ago, and prices *may* have gone up a little, but not that much
To the person who thought £50k....I LOVE YOU....but please take a responsible adult with you when you next go to buy a horse
To Flintus, i can certainly pass on the details of the dealer he came from and you can talk to him about what he has in at the moment.
Oh yes, and to clarify a couple of other details on the BSJA / heights thing. A horse jumping 1.30m/1.40m means a horse competing in 1.30m classes (the JO's are up to a max of 1.40m). These are the top-end of Grade C classes so whilst not small, would not be considered to be anywhere near what a true international horse would be expected to jump (although there are some smaller int'l classes around 1.30m....confused
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I would have said that you might well have paid under £10k for this horse. For a horse to be sold coming from a "pro" in Holland to the UK for an amateur to ride, then it did not have top level potential (dont take this personally re your horse...
The Europeans have excellent marketing skills for selling these kind of horses to the UK, whether it is done through a dealer or direct with a stable.
As Rambo has pointed out, a horse is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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No offence taken at all....and in fact i think you have summarized the scenario perfectly. I actually purchased the horse from a UK based dealer who had imported him from Holland himself a few months earlier. Even with the UK dealers profit on top the figure was less than £10k (in fact a fair bit less). Okay, this was 18 months ago, and prices *may* have gone up a little, but not that much
To the person who thought £50k....I LOVE YOU....but please take a responsible adult with you when you next go to buy a horse
To Flintus, i can certainly pass on the details of the dealer he came from and you can talk to him about what he has in at the moment.
Oh yes, and to clarify a couple of other details on the BSJA / heights thing. A horse jumping 1.30m/1.40m means a horse competing in 1.30m classes (the JO's are up to a max of 1.40m). These are the top-end of Grade C classes so whilst not small, would not be considered to be anywhere near what a true international horse would be expected to jump (although there are some smaller int'l classes around 1.30m....confused
dieseldog
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You can pick up horses that have reached their limit abroad at 1.30m classes for £5-6k from dealers in the UK.
Rambo
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You can pick up horses that have reached their limit abroad at 1.30m classes for £5-6k from dealers in the UK.
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Absolutely...and they don't even have to have reached their limit....just not come through the system quickly enough to 'keep up' with the best of the crop. Many horses will start to fall behind the class at 1.30m+ for a while, but as we know, horses mature at different rates and a horse that wasn't comfortable above 1.30m at the age of 7, may well come good a couple of years later as it's strength and confidence increases
Great for us amateurs i reckon
You can pick up horses that have reached their limit abroad at 1.30m classes for £5-6k from dealers in the UK.
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Absolutely...and they don't even have to have reached their limit....just not come through the system quickly enough to 'keep up' with the best of the crop. Many horses will start to fall behind the class at 1.30m+ for a while, but as we know, horses mature at different rates and a horse that wasn't comfortable above 1.30m at the age of 7, may well come good a couple of years later as it's strength and confidence increases
Great for us amateurs i reckon
dieseldog
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Too right. How many amateurs truthfully are happy jumping 1.30 classes? How many 1.30 classes are there anyway at normal shows?
Rambo
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Too right. How many amateurs truthfully are happy jumping 1.30 classes? How many 1.30 classes are there anyway at normal shows?
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Very few i would say....and those that are tend to be younger and more fearless ! We do get a few 1.30m's in the summer months around our way...but they are usually won by pro riders giving their 1.40m+ horses a run, but in the winter you're doing well to find a 1.20m
Too right. How many amateurs truthfully are happy jumping 1.30 classes? How many 1.30 classes are there anyway at normal shows?
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Very few i would say....and those that are tend to be younger and more fearless ! We do get a few 1.30m's in the summer months around our way...but they are usually won by pro riders giving their 1.40m+ horses a run, but in the winter you're doing well to find a 1.20m
Dogbetty141
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come on rambo spill!
Bossanova
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Emily has a mare for sale currently, jumping fox/ 1.25s and jumped puissance classes up to 1.80. 7 this year, easy to do but needs sensitive rider.
They want 10k.
On that basis, I'd go for 15kish
They want 10k.
On that basis, I'd go for 15kish
Rambo
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Emily has a mare for sale currently, jumping fox/ 1.25s and jumped puissance classes up to 1.80. 7 this year, easy to do but needs sensitive rider.
They want 10k.
On that basis, I'd go for 15kish
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I'd take Emily's
Emily has a mare for sale currently, jumping fox/ 1.25s and jumped puissance classes up to 1.80. 7 this year, easy to do but needs sensitive rider.
They want 10k.
On that basis, I'd go for 15kish
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I'd take Emily's
Rambo
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come on rambo spill!
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The answer (or as near as damn it) is already in the earlier replies
come on rambo spill!
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The answer (or as near as damn it) is already in the earlier replies
Blizzard
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6k ?!
carthorse
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Yes a horse is worth what people will pay but it costs a lot to breed and rear a horse.If the horse then shows it is up to the work and suitable for an average rider then it should be valued high.Alot of people think they can pick up a world beater for a song and to be honest ,some do and good luck to them.I have never been able to afford a made horse and so my coloured I bred 10 years ago and the bay was bought as a yearling from the breeder,but I would value both quite high as they have achieved alot and are quite straight forward and an average rider could BE,BD,BSJA,open PC and riding club them and to be honest that is what most of us want to do.
If I had the money I would be willing to pay a good price for a good horse rather than go round for ages looking to find a bargain after all it is after you buy them that the expense really starts
If I had the money I would be willing to pay a good price for a good horse rather than go round for ages looking to find a bargain after all it is after you buy them that the expense really starts
Dogbetty141
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come on rambo spill!
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The answer (or as near as damn it) is already in the earlier replies
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oopppps sorry! was getting all excited!
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come on rambo spill!
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The answer (or as near as damn it) is already in the earlier replies
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oopppps sorry! was getting all excited!