How much should i pay for young ISH?

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Hi - i;m a bit out of touch with how much horses are these days but on the verge of getting another.

Its a breed i don;t know a lot about.

What price would be reasonable for a young, green albeit very flashy ISH? He has good potential but is a clean slate really and ridden only a handful of times so far.

I really don;t want to get ripped off :-!

thanks
 
is it backed?
depends on breeding. if it is related to clover hill or king of diamonds i would possibly pay 3000 if backed and 2000 if unbacked.
if it has unknown breeding probably 1000-2000 depending on backing. possibly £2500 if backed properly :)
 
Yes its backed but lightly and very green. Doesn't know the aids - though considering this - it is very quick to learn and moves well naturally .

I don't think it has particurlarly well known breeding. i was thinking 2000- 2500 but i haven't gone into pricing as i'm still thinking it over and wanted some opinion before i offer...

I think for much more than this and you can get one thats done a fair bit from what i can see.

thanks muchly for your advice.
 
There are 2 types of ISH - your traditionial ISH (ID x TB) and then when some of the irish breeders incorporated warmbloods into the breeding programme. My preference is definately for the former as the breeding lines/stallions were much better proven. CFYI - CloverHill and King of Diamonds are long gone but people still quote their lines as they still off offspring standing albeit 2nd or 3rd generation. If you are given the stallions name you can always look it up on the Irish Sports Horse stallion section.
 
i paid £2250 for my ISH as a 5 month old foal!!

but he has breeding, looks and movement to kill for.

he is similar to the one you have looked at as he is backed, hacked and that's about it and i have had 3 x offers over £10k.

it is really impossible to give a price without more details as it may have the magic 'potential' to be the 2018 Badminton winner or it may only make a nice RC horse.
 
millitiger said:
i paid £2250 for my ISH as a 5 month old foal!!

but he has breeding, looks and movement to kill for.

he is similar to the one you have looked at as he is backed, hacked and that's about it and i have had 3 x offers over £10k.

it is really impossible to give a price without more details as it may have the magic 'potential' to be the 2018 Badminton winner or it may only make a nice RC horse.
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Absolutely agree with this. I paid £5,250 for a 3.5 year old ISH also with breeding, looks, movement and an incredible jump.

It would be hard to price something with so few details. Plus, having 'potential' doesn't always mean you can get that out once out and under saddle! Just be careful!
 
Thankyou all for your opinions. I know what you are saying re the little detail its impossible to guage a price.

I don't have a lot more detail to give though. I don;t think we are talking badmintion potential but definately has lovely ridden movement for dressage which is what i enjoy. Hes never jumped and at the mo spooking at poles but obv all that will be overcome with time and experience.

I guess i'll see what they are expecting for him and go from there. I can always say no.
 
I agree with the above, depends on the type if ISH, mine for example Ive had her just over 6months, think I got for a bargin, were asking 3k I got her for £2700, Shes By Clover Echo one of the best Clover Hill off spring, and out of a flashy SJ mare, she was broken and ridden for about 3 weeks, shes in my siggy so you can get an idea, shes registered with a green passport.

Hope that helps, p.s ive not had much experience with the breed either, but wouldnt get anything else now, shes been a star from the start never sick or sorry, very hardy and loves trying new things, love her to bits!!

Good luck and keep us updated, got any pics??
 
steph21 said:
I agree with the above, depends on the type if ISH, mine for example Ive had her just over 6months, think I got for a bargin, were asking 3k I got her for £2700, Shes By Clover Echo one of the best Clover Hill off spring, and out of a flashy SJ mare, she was broken and ridden for about 3 weeks, shes in my siggy so you can get an idea, shes registered with a green passport.

Hope that helps, p.s ive not had much experience with the breed either, but wouldnt get anything else now, shes been a star from the start never sick or sorry, very hardy and loves trying new things, love her to bits!!

Good luck and keep us updated, got any pics??
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Shes beautiful - she looks very different and striking. I will hopefully make a decision in the next week or so - and let you know. I don't have any pics as yet...but will post when i do. Yours sounds of similar experience but with the known breeding so i think i should be aiming for less than this if breeding is unknown.

I swore i'd never have another horse after previous heartbreak from losing my old lad but i saw this one and he was something special.
 
I am looking for one as well !! Just cant find one would love ISH or warmblood or x . Any ideas on the best place to look ??
 
Ah thanks I am biast, but shes the best £2700 ive ever spent!! Ye I think between, 2-2500 but like you said depends on breeding and potential, good luck, and lake sure you keep us updated x
 
Hi I paid £4k for mine as a 4 year old. Broken in but not very well!! Her grandsire is Clover Hill and she is the best horse I have ever owned. Doing BE100 now. She is the sort that everyone should have once in a lifetime....will NEVER part with her no matter what. Very much part of our rather large horsey family!!
 
Looks like I did get a bargin then for my girl as her grandsire is Clover Hill, and fingers crossed she will be as sucessful as yours Jenni Ball!! And very much agree, I will never be parting with my girl not for all the money in the world!!
 
I have two. Paid £5000 for a 7yr old 5yrs ago - that had done BS and RC stuff. Paid £3000 two years ago for a green 3yr old with good clover hill/ Cav Royale lines. The market was much better in those days. You may get cheaper now. Both are fantastic horses. I'd say up to £3k.
 
the market is rubbish still - i recently sold my, rising 5 year old, Grandson of Cloverhill, GGrandson King Of Diamonds, didnt go for anything like Id hoped and I only had a couple of calls:o...
 
Honey08 said:
I have two. Paid £5000 for a 7yr old 5yrs ago - that had done BS and RC stuff. Paid £3000 two years ago for a green 3yr old with good clover hill/ Cav Royale lines. The market was much better in those days. You may get cheaper now. Both are fantastic horses. I'd say up to £3k.
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Only if the breeder is mug - or desperate!:D

Owning my own stallion, and with some economies of scale in producing 15 youngsters a year, it costs me an absolute MINIMUM of £2,000 to produce an IDSH weanling (and that's if everything goes right and I have the absolute minimum of vet bills to get mare in foal, deliver and rear foal etc.) Then to keep it for another 2 years - say £750 a year minimum including grazing, haylage, regular worming and trimming, and of course the registration, id, passport, microchip costs! So it's cost a MINIMUM of £3,500 before I back it!

Even a 'basic' backing takes 4 weeks to do properly: I charge £140 a week for other people's horses for backing, so allowing for me doing my own when things are a bit quiet (although they never seem to be that quiet!) I HAVE to add at least £500 for backing. That means a just backed 3 year old has cost me at LEAST £4,000 - without any element of 'profit'. Why should breeders subsidise horse buyers?? (We do - but we shouldn't HAVE to!)
 
As an Irish breeder the market has changed so so so so much. You can't sell an unbroken 3 yr old anymore. As I'm just a small operation and work full time I don't break them myself but I now get my 4 yr olds broken to sell. I sold one at Christmas at 5 broken and riding for half of was getting for him as an unbroken 3 yr old nothing done. I held on to him as he was a backwards type in the hope he'd make more-then wallop! recession hit and everything went arse over tit.
Sorry ramble over.
But basically they were leaving lorry loads of horses into factories here a while ago but that has now thankfully stopped.
You will be paying half what you would have paid 3 years ago. Bargin for you!! Unfortunately bad news for me as I have one more to go this year :(
 
Quite agree JanetGoerge and gadentra. I've got the first of my two ISH horses at stud as we speak, so am quite aware of the costs. It is a shame the market is so weak, but it is, and it may well get worse. Its almost better to sell them as a 5yr old that has done some work perhaps. Even then you'd be lucky to get £4000.. I'm not saying that to insult a breeder - thats just the way it is. I just sold a pony for half of what I could have got for it two years ago...:(
 
This is a very interesting post,

I too am loking for an ISH, not in any great hurry but have to face facts that my boy I have had for 14 years and is nearly 28 won't go on for ever :(

I saw one recently that I liked but my vet, who is also a very good friend advised me against him. She had very valid reasons and I completely agree with her about them but she did say that I should look more in the region of £5000 + and not £3000 I thought that was expensive for a family pet/happy hacker/RC but its been a very long time since I have looked so have no idea.

Pointers in the right direction greatly appreciated :)
 
paid £3k for my 4 1/2 yr old in oct skinny as a rake, broken but very green, grown in to a beautiful mare still green but oozes potential, wouldn't reckonise her for the nearly rspca case why do they keep them so lean?
 
Charlie is 4, backed about 6 months ago, can walk trot canter and pop, hacks schools ect. Don't think he'll set the world alight but will probs make a good rc horse. Temp to die for, and I paid £2.800!! Worth every penny!!! No expensive bloodlines to speak of though!!! ;)
 
Agree with JanetGeorge about the costs of getting a horse to 3 or 4 yrs, I have 2 hanavarian youngsters for sale at the moment, I'll loose money on them when they do sell but I can't face 'giving' them away so an extra winter will leave me more out of pocket..

Breeders and studs truly have my respect at the moment for just keeping going.. I can't see how anyone could make a decent living at it..
 
It depends on everything really! temprament, jump, movement, trainability, vices, breeding....

I personally would never pay more than £5k for something unbroken (or sat on) if i even had that type of money! But some people would spend double that, turn them into stunning horses an 2yrs later they are worth £25k! :)
 
we advertised a 4yr old gelding ish this spring. His dam side carries king of diamonds and clover hill blood and his sire is unbelievble darco. He is the sweetest horse, very brave and a stunning dappled steel grey. Adertised him for 3.5k as just broken and had little interest. We paid 3k as an 18 month old colt. Never mind, its no hardship to keep such a pretty boy round
 
Smiley said:
Hi - i;m a bit out of touch with how much horses are these days but on the verge of getting another.

Its a breed i don;t know a lot about.

What price would be reasonable for a young, green albeit very flashy ISH? He has good potential but is a clean slate really and ridden only a handful of times so far.

I really don;t want to get ripped off :-!

thanks
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Hi how old is the horse? breeding? and what are they asking for the horse? What do you want ot do with the horse, oh so many questions sorry.
 
I have to agree with Janet George.It takes so much money to get even foals on the ground that we try to sell ours as foals.There is no profit from 1-3 year olds but if they are out competing well at 4 then that changes the pricetag again.We have sold foals for 4-5 that have gone on to be sold for 4 times that as 4 year olds but I am always delighted for the owners if they make a profit.As long as we are happy with the home and the price at the time then that is what matters.There should be plently of reasonably priced horses out there at the moment that will do a job for someone that will not be world beaters but will be fantastic horses none the less.
 
I agree with BigBoyRocky - I don't think I could bring myself to spend £5k on sonething I couldn't try under saddle....actually I don't think I could spend that on anything!
I bought mine for just under £3000 last year as an unbacked 3 year old, his maternal grandsire is Captain Clover, who is a clover hill son. His dad's side is KWPN, with sandro on his grandad's side and nimmerdor on grandma's, and his second cousin is Opportunity B, Helen Treadwell's mare. However the girl I bought him from didn't know his dad's breeding and from a post on here, that info plus having backed him and him having an exceptional attitude, suggests I could probably double my money a year on! But he should easily BSJA to 1.20+ or hopefully novice event or more, as his parents are both out doing that (BS) now.
I would say for something you would intend to be a decent RC allrounder, with decent but not amazing ISH breeding, I wouldn't be keen to pay more than £3000 max. And as to King of Diamonds and Clover Hill, they are great sires/gransires etc but there are an awful lot of their offspring around these days....and it doesn't guarantee you a superstar horse. I'd go more on whether you like the horse and what you are prepared to pay for him!
 
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